WCG-TPU Cruncher's Hardware/Tech Support Discussion Thread

[phill]

I've a load of EK Vardar fans and I've sadly found that they aren't the most pushy of air as I'd have hoped for. They make a bit of a noise higher RPMs but they don't seem to be able to push the air flow I'd hoped for... The Noctua ones I should have gone for.. Sadly they never made them in white

 

[Lorec]

The Noctua ones I should have gone for.. Sadly they never made them in white

Tbh the chromax version of NF-A12 is weaker in fact then brown originals
I can survive without RGB but that noctua brown tho...
They have also those black industrial ones but from specs its almost 10db higher than rest.

 

[PaulieG]

I've been out of the loop for awhile. I'm considering replacing my i5 10600k with an i9 10900k. What would be the output difference be? I'm trying to decide if the increased heat and energy output would be worth it or not.

 

[Deleted member 202104]

Well, @BarbaricSoul is making 21k-ish points per day with a 10850k at an all core of 4.9 (which is what a 10900k will run at stock with power limits removed). If I remember correctly, their power consumption is around 200w for the CPU.

When I was running my 10900 (non-K) with a 95w power limit set, it was around 15k points per day.

Right now I'm using 5c/10t of a 10400 (the other 1c/2t are feeding a 1070 for folding@home) and making about 9k per day with a indicated power usage of 55w.

Consider the non-K chips as well. Overclocking increases power usage massively and points per day not so much. The 10900 with power limits removed will run all core 4.6 at about 175w.

 

[PaulieG]

So, I'm looking at putting together a couple of additional crunchers. I'm looking for a decent deal on a used 10th gen i9 cpu. If anyone sees any of these chips on other forums for a reasonable price, lmk. Thanks!

 

[phill]

Tbh the chromax version of NF-A12 is weaker in fact then brown originals
I can survive without RGB but that noctua brown tho...
They have also those black industrial ones but from specs its almost 10db higher than rest.

Oh my god how could I have missed this?!!?!? So sorry @Lorec

That Noctua colour is definitely not the best in the world but the fans power is amazing... I have a controller for the fans, so that side of things, I'm not worried about at all. These EK Vardar fans, definitely are not the best in the world for water cooling in my opinion... I'm so glad I never paid full price for them......

@PaulieG I think the Ryzen's are definitely a force to be reckoned with when it comes to the crunching... I've had a few Intel rigs over the time and now I've gone to pretty much everything being AMD... The latest Ryzen I have is the 3900X, which I am definitely shooting myself in the foot since I never bought the 3950X instead... Still... What you gonna do

If I see anything I'll be sure to post it up!!

 

[Deleted member 202104]

@PaulieG I think the Ryzen's are definitely a force to be reckoned with when it comes to the crunching... I've had a few Intel rigs over the time and now I've gone to pretty much everything being AMD... The latest Ryzen I have is the 3900X, which I am definitely shooting myself in the foot since I never bought the 3950X instead... Still... What you gonna do

If I see anything I'll be sure to post it up!!

Hi Phill - any chance you might know the PPD for the 3900x and it's package power draw while crunching full on? I'm up against .22-.32/kWh (tiered pricing - the more you use the more it costs) where I live so I need to watch my watts

 

[thebluebumblebee]

It really sucks that we can't get the 3900 non X.

 

[PaulieG]

Oh my god how could I have missed this?!!?!? So sorry @Lorec

That Noctua colour is definitely not the best in the world but the fans power is amazing... I have a controller for the fans, so that side of things, I'm not worried about at all. These EK Vardar fans, definitely are not the best in the world for water cooling in my opinion... I'm so glad I never paid full price for them......

@PaulieG I think the Ryzen's are definitely a force to be reckoned with when it comes to the crunching... I've had a few Intel rigs over the time and now I've gone to pretty much everything being AMD... The latest Ryzen I have is the 3900X, which I am definitely shooting myself in the foot since I never bought the 3950X instead... Still... What you gonna do

If I see anything I'll be sure to post it up!!

I've got a 5600x running right now. I'll upgrade that to a 5900x once they are in stock at a reasonable price. I just picked up a 2600x combo that will go up in a week or so once a find a cheap SSD and PSU for it. The last thing is to replace the i5 with the i9 I'm looking for.

 

[stinger608]

Well, a huge thanks to @Solaris17 , I'll have a 1700X Ryzen running full time crunching in the near future!!!!!! He is sending it my way from the "Pay-it-Forward" thread that @PaulieG started in the WTB/FS forum!!!!!!

Thanks once again brother for allowing me to grab that combo from ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Well, a huge thanks to @Solaris17 , I'll have a 1700X Ryzen running full time crunching in the near future!!!!!! He is sending it my way from the "Pay-it-Forward" thread that @PaulieG started in the WTB/FS forum!!!!!!

Thanks once again brother for allowing me to grab that combo from ya!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you're the one that beat me to it.

 

[mstenholm]

Hi Phill - any chance you might know the PPD for the 3900x and it's package power draw while crunching full on? I'm up against .22-.32/kWh (tiered pricing - the more you use the more it costs) where I live so I need to watch my watts

Around 30K running flat out all core, stock. This is on Linux but OPN1 doesn't have any significant advantage. I think that can be done with a PC total of 200-210 W with an air-cooler. Package power is of course 142 W.

 

[Lorec]

Oh my god how could I have missed this?!!?!? So sorry @Lorec

You are forgiven

That Noctua colour is definitely not the best in the world but the fans power is amazing... I have a controller for the fans, so that side of things, I'm not worried about at all. These EK Vardar fans, definitely are not the best in the world for water cooling in my opinion... I'm so glad I never paid full price for them...

the world doesn't end up on the color, but still that is why we are here to make beautiful and functional setups.
Maybe I will need to get some gentle typhoons? Vardars are pretty bad

Unless I roll with them this way then anything that blows air is okay.
My L9a is kinda choking in this case.
It is getting warmer here, everyday

 

[Deleted member 202104]

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Around 30K running flat out all core, stock. This is on Linux but OPN1 doesn't have any significant advantage. I think that can be done with a PC total of 200-210 W with an air-cooler. Package power is of course 142 W.

Thank you - I appreciate the information. That's quite a bit more points per watt than I expected.

 

[phill]

Hi Phill - any chance you might know the PPD for the 3900x and it's package power draw while crunching full on? I'm up against .22-.32/kWh (tiered pricing - the more you use the more it costs) where I live so I need to watch my watts

Apologies for my crappness @weekendgeek ....

Been caught up in the little one last day and a bit and getting over a vaccine for COVID, not really what I had been planning on but still!

So, my rig, idles about the 120w mark (maybe 5 to 10w either way) then load, I think it pushes it to about the 220w mark. That's with the 3900X locked at whatever speed it wants and I'm controlling it via voltage which I have it set to I believe either 1.10vcore or 1.15vcore (can't remember which) It's about the 4200MHz speed which for pretty much everything else is fine. The reason for the limiting is down to the crunching so it's not flogging its guts out 247, it's just plodding along at a decent pace... Besides, temps are good as well which is another factor I wanted to make sure was covered... Around 50C under full load currently to about 60C depending on the ambient temp

If there's anything else you'd like answered please let me know Hopefully I'll be a little quicker at replying next time

 

[Deleted member 202104]

Apologies for my crappness @weekendgeek ....

Been caught up in the little one last day and a bit and getting over a vaccine for COVID, not really what I had been planning on but still!

So, my rig, idles about the 120w mark (maybe 5 to 10w either way) then load, I think it pushes it to about the 220w mark. That's with the 3900X locked at whatever speed it wants and I'm controlling it via voltage which I have it set to I believe either 1.10vcore or 1.15vcore (can't remember which) It's about the 4200MHz speed which for pretty much everything else is fine. The reason for the limiting is down to the crunching so it's not flogging its guts out 247, it's just plodding along at a decent pace... Besides, temps are good as well which is another factor I wanted to make sure was covered... Around 50C under full load currently to about 60C depending on the ambient temp

If there's anything else you'd like answered please let me know Hopefully I'll be a little quicker at replying next time

No need for any apologies - never a need to feel rushed on replies. I too received an unplanned 1st dose of the vaccine yesterday and not quite myself today.

I appreciate the tips on limiting power consumption. I'll put them to good use next week. I'm going to blame in on the effects of the vaccine, but I placed an order just a bit ago for a 3950x.

I couldn't find a 3900x anywhere at a reasonable price, so 16 cores it is.

 

[phill]

No need for any apologies - never a need to feel rushed on replies. I too received an unplanned 1st dose of the vaccine yesterday and not quite myself today.

I appreciate the tips on limiting power consumption. I'll put them to good use next week. I'm going to blame in on the effects of the vaccine, but I placed an order just a bit ago for a 3950x.

I couldn't find a 3900x anywhere at a reasonable price, so 16 cores it is.

I need to apologise because I was crap and never replied Still, that 1st dose knocked me about, wasn't feeling it the day after and yesterday I wasn't all that much better. Today I'm ok but I still had no get up and go for work... That's another story mind...

All I can say is that I'd wished I'd gone for the 3950X in the first place really... The 3900X is a great CPU, I just wished I was daft and went the whole way.... I mean come on, 12C?? What sort of a cruncher uses only 12C's?? Still daftness aside, I was on air and instead trying to lower the CPU clock speeds down, the temps where hitting 80 to 90C without much hassle. It was however stable, but just far too high for me and so when I started looking at lowering the volts, my word did that make the temps different. I forget how long I was running it that way but when I found out, it soon changed.

I'm trying to find some decently priced 3950X's... I guess when there's plenty of stock of the 5950X, then there will be a bit of a price drop on the 3950X for people to upgrade. I'd like a couple for my X370 boards since I believe that's the latest CPU they will take. I don't think they will take the 5950X CPU in them.... I could be wrong... I was thinking about using the 3900X as a new Home Server, but I'm not sure what I would do with it.... and I digress a little lol

Please do let us know what the 3950X is like.. I can't wait to get one but need to save up some pennies first.... A lot of pennies first!

You are forgiven

the world doesn't end up on the color, but still that is why we are here to make beautiful and functional setups.
Maybe I will need to get some gentle typhoons? Vardars are pretty bad
View attachment 193975
Unless I roll with them this way then anything that blows air is okay.
My L9a is kinda choking in this case.
It is getting warmer here, everyday

I'm guessing someone might need a bigger case or some water cooling to keep it nice and cool?? Vardars do suck, I think I'm going to have to get some Noctua PPC models, these Vardars are just noisy and aren't pushing masses of air around at all... We'll see tho

How warm does your 3950X get in there @Lorec ??

 

[thebluebumblebee]

All I can say is that I'd wished I'd gone for the 3950X in the first place really... The 3900X is a great CPU, I just wished I was daft and went the whole way

I was looking at @Norton 's system numbers today and was surprised by how well the 3900's stack up against the 3950 that he has. Also surprised to see that he's moved to W10 for all but one of his systems.

 

[phill]

I was looking at @Norton 's system numbers today and was surprised by how well the 3900's stack up against the 3950 that he has. Also surprised to see that he's moved to W10 for all but one of his systems.

They are both great CPUs there's no doubt of it at all @thebluebumblebee Either makes a brilliant cruncher I think the issue the 3950X will have is that all those cores packed so tightly compared to something like the 1950X or 2950X as they are literally about twice the size... I really need to get mine up and running..... I'm not sure the power consumption on them though, are as good as the AM4 counter parts....

 

[mstenholm]

Did any of you participate in the OPN/GPU beta? I'm curious to how different CPU/GPU/OS stack up.
Below is Michael (i7970/2070/WIN7 and folding during the run), 2700X (well 2700X, 2060, Linux, no folding) and last my 3900X, 2070S, Linux which also were folding during the run. I only ran one con-current GPU task per CPU and it seems like it was folding that suffered the most.

And yes the duration of each run was 2-3 minutes with the fastest being the 2700X (no folding, 127 seconds) and the old i7-970 with a folding GPU took 177 seconds. That is HCC/GPU points who those that remember the happy days. From the forum I could see that at least one was claiming 1100-1300 with an unknown GPU!

GPUs are efficient.

 

[PaulieG]

I realize this question makes me a very lazy cruncher, but I'm going to ask anyway. Is there a chart anywhere that gives a general indication of how many points per day various cpu's give, assuming running 24/7?

 

[thebluebumblebee]

GPU Folding Projects - Performance - Google Drive

docs.google.com

Edit: Hasn't been updated past RTX 2080 Ti.

 

[mstenholm]

There might be some teams that compiles these data but the second best is CPU WCG list
Best of luck, the problem is that you don't know how they are run.

 

[Arjai]

GPU Folding Projects - Performance - Google Drive

docs.google.com

Edit: Hasn't been updated past RTX 2080 Ti.

If my GPU is in Red, what does that mean? I have 3 580's in 3 different crunchers. I just allowed GPU on 2 and updated, got nothing. So, I clicked your link and the RX580 is listed but is in a Red font. Does that mean it won't be used to crunch anything?

 

[thebluebumblebee]

Red just means AMD.