Where does the GTX 1070 Ti Fall

[X71200]

Yeah, the 1070 Ti would also work. It's just that the whole Twin-Frozr card is so 2016. I mean I had those cards and they were good, but no doubt this GPU has had part of its heydays. If they want to re-TIM and clean it out, it would look better for sure...

 

[Lei]

Faster than 3050ti, slower than 3060:

3050ti - 2560 cuda cores
3070ti - 2432 cores
3060 - 3584 cores

 

[tabascosauz]

Faster than 3050ti, slower than 3060:

3050ti - 2560 cuda cores
3070ti - 2432 cores
3060 - 3584 cores

3050 Ti is a mobile SKU............

There is no straight comparison of "CUDA cores" between Ampere and Turing/Pascal due to the changes they made to the SM and what constitutes a "CUDA core". Card is not x percent faster because it has x percent more CUDA cores, and clocks are not the same either.

Regardless of performance, $200 doesn't seem like a screaming deal given the age of the card and unknowns of how it's been used/treated all this time. I sold my 3 year old 1070 to my friend for $200, a whole 2 years ago.

 

[Durvelle27]

3050 Ti is a mobile SKU............

There is no straight comparison of "CUDA cores" between Ampere and Turing/Pascal due to the changes they made to the SM and what constitutes a "CUDA core". Card is not x percent faster because it has x percent more CUDA cores, and clocks are not the same either.

Regardless of performance, $200 doesn't seem like a screaming deal given the age of the card and unknowns of how it's been used/treated all this time. I sold my 3 year old 1070 to my friend for $200, a whole 2 years ago.

Times have changed. GPUs are much more costly now

RX 580s go around $300
1080s around $350
etc...

I wish it was 2 years ago

 

[X71200]

You're looking at horrible Ebay prices, though. Not a base metric one should focus on.

I'd snag that 6600 if I were you, tbh. Could also use for mining as a final stand, lol.

 

[Durvelle27]

Hardly use eBay. I'm looking through forum sales , mainly Hardforum and Reddit

 

[X71200]

[H] users have gotten on the scalper bandwagon on GPUs as well, Reddit is also a wack I wouldn't suggest dealing with.

Makes new products look better.

 

[tabascosauz]

Those are some pretty awful prices for good BST venues. Regularly seeing RX 580 for $150-250 locally here. 1080 about $315, 2060 about $350. Things are always more expensive here in canuckistan.

Been thinking of letting go of my 2060 Super for about the price they want for the 1070 Ti, but have no heatware.

 

[X71200]

I'd say Hardocp tended to be the best it got, but like I said, people there started posting more items on Ebay (they have both Ebay and their in-forum transaction sections), along with that and the market, they started making use of scalper prices. The prices you mentioned are bad as well. Reddit hardware swap, any idiot can dial in there so it's not a market I'd recommend.

2060S is still a good secondary card, not sure why you would bother with selling it to a random for 200.

 

[tabascosauz]

2060S is still a good secondary card, not sure why you would bother with selling it to a random for 200.

Wouldn't sell it over the web to someone I don't know. More for local pickup. Waterblocked so it goes as is with the FE cooler with it but not installed.

My other one is a 4L ITX case. Not fitting even if I wanted to use it, which I don't.

 

[X71200]

Still a good carry for another PC, though. Don't know what you're intending to buy after it but at these prices, it looks good. Even at that condition, for local. I wouldn't sell it personally.

 

[Durvelle27]

I'd say Hardocp tended to be the best it got, but like I said, people there started posting more items on Ebay (they have both Ebay and their in-forum transaction sections), along with that and the market, they started making use of scalper prices. The prices you mentioned are bad as well. Reddit hardware swap, any idiot can dial in there so it's not a market I'd recommend.

2060S is still a good secondary card, not sure why you would bother with selling it to a random for 200.

I just named two as examples

Even our very own TPU sales thread GPUs sale more than when new. It's just the market now a days.

Wouldn't sell it over the web to someone I don't know. More for local pickup. Waterblocked so it goes as is with the FE cooler with it but not installed.

My other one is a 4L ITX case. Not fitting even if I wanted to use it, which I don't.

I'd buy it

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hardly use eBay. I'm looking through forum sales , mainly Hardforum and Reddit

Ironically, Ebay would be safer.

As far as your 1070ti is concerned, if you want/need the RTX features or the 1070 is just not measuring up for the tasks you need it to perform, the 3060ti is an excellent choice and a solid upgrade.

 

[X71200]

Second hand market is completely artificial, AIBs are not making money off those cards. People are obviously using the new card prices in contrast to their advantage and ripping other people off... . Keep track of new deals...

 

[Durvelle27]

Second hand market is completely artificial, AIBs are not making money off those cards. People are obviously using the new card prices in contrast to their advantage and ripping other people off... . Keep track of new deals...

The new market was no better bud

Prices just started coming down recently

 

[X71200]

I realize that, but at least it's not as dumb on mid-high'ish cards. I mean, would you pay like 350 quid for a 6600 XT or some 300 quid for a 1080? That's just one example I've seen some months back.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I paid £350 for my 1080TI thought it was reasonable, only a few weeks ago too.

 

[X71200]

1080 Ti is a lot stronger, though. If you can snag one of those AMD cards for those prices, they're no brainers. Though nowadays it'll be a harder call.

 

[Durvelle27]

I realize that, but at least it's not as dumb on mid-high'ish cards. I mean, would you pay like 350 quid for a 6600 XT or some 300 quid for a 1080? That's just one example I've seen some months back.

I'm USD not quid

But this thread wasn't for GPU recommendations. It was to get performance info on the 1070Ti compared to current Gen which has been given. If it was a recommendation thread It would be sub $300

 

[X71200]

Well, 1070 Ti was something in between so there isn't much to compare to it from this gen.

Like I said, it was something I saw one day suggesting a GPU to somebody. The U.S market is actually better than UK, so I'm sure you could find *some* GPUs, at least.

 

[wolf]

Well, I tried FSR and it was crap.

It sure can be, but there is a colossal divide in image quality between FSR and DLSS.

I have looked a lot at DLSS and I still can't see it as anything else other than crutch to make performance better at loss of visual quality. There's only so much that you can reconstruct with AI. AI still sucks and it mostly reconstructs sharpness, but details tend to be gone.

Details are where it excels generally, FSR is the one that destroys them.

DLSS, FSR are basically the equivalent of lossy compression, but for gaming. It's definitely not a new technology to add detailedness. They are only trying to not take away much, but improve performance.

Their aims are indeed very similar, but the mistake is lumping them together because of that aim. In the discussions between owners who use it a lot, many of us prefer the final DLSS image over even native, and combining DLSS with DLDSR can give unquestionably better IQ than native while also either roughly maintaining performance or still increasing it. the 'AI' Part of it might just be clever use of buzzwords, but it's certainly doing the reconstruction and upscaling better than any other method, by a longshot, to the point where it can and does exceed native IQ.

 

[The red spirit]

It sure can be, but there is a colossal divide in image quality between FSR and DLSS.

I disagree. basically any review online basically said that they are almost perfect and may look better than original. None of that is true. It might be due to the fact that they test them at high resolutions. But I tried FSR at 1440p. Even with Ultra Quality preset it looks really bad, likely worse than turning down resolution to 1080p. DLSS still has random shimmering issues and AI glitches from time to time. While more impressive technology, let's not even pretend that it's flawless.

Does anyone remember RIS or NIS? Those were legitimately better technologies, they would be great with FSR or if you are stuck at lower resolution. Still, some flaws weren't properly communicated about them. RIS straight up doesn't work in many games, despite stating that it should work if game meets DirectX requirements. I was only able to make it work in Genshin Impact, but it failed to work anywhere else. NIS might be more compatible, because I haven't heard that it has DX limitations and specific title support, but I haven't used nV card for very long time.

Details are where it excels generally, FSR is the one that destroys them.

For static images only, assuming that there isn't shimmering, AI glitching and that you still accept somewhat more blurry image than original, then yes. Motion, completely tanks DLSS quality, which is bad as we aren't playing minesweeper with it.

Their aims are indeed very similar, but the mistake is lumping them together because of that aim. In the discussions between owners who use it a lot, many of us prefer the final DLSS image over even native, and combining DLSS with DLDSR can give unquestionably better IQ than native while also either roughly maintaining performance or still increasing it. the 'AI' Part of it might just be clever use of buzzwords, but it's certainly doing the reconstruction and upscaling better than any other method, by a longshot, to the point where it can and does exceed native IQ.

It certainly doesn't beat old school supersampling, it's not even close. SSAA is the tits, but good luck running anything with it. Even 3090 can't play games with it cranked to 4x at 1440p. If it wasn't done with brute force and instead was accelerated in HW, it would be unquestionably the best supersampling/anti-aliasing technology.

 

[neatfeatguy]

I don't understand why this thread is still going in circles.

The question has been answered in a handful of posts. 1070Ti falls between the 3050 and 3060 (closer to the 3050's end) for relative performance.

The GTX 1070 is about on par with the RTX 3050.
The GTX 1070 Ti is about 10-15% faster than the 1070.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yep no avalibility of 3050 makes the 1070ti the only buy option so pull the trigger.

 

[Lei]

Ah, you use Bykski. well done

I paid £350 for my 1080TI thought it was reasonable, only a few weeks ago too.