Why are some people still saying a 4-thread i5 is good enough with a beefy GPU...

[Ben_Doverson]

here is my quad core setup

Gigabyte z270 gaming k3 / i5-7600k delid and lapped @ 5.2ghz on EK Waterblock
Nvidia gtx980 Fe EKblock OC AF >|< Fractal Design 650W +80
Corsair vengeance 2666 @ 3000mhz >|< 2x SanDisk 256gb m.2 Raid0
Seagate 3Tb
EK loop with supremacy cpu block , fulcover ek gpublock
powered by
laing d5 pump x3res combo pushing a Maximum flow: 1500L/h
+ extra res - ek multioption x2 res 400 advanced
Technical data:
- Installation height: 400 mm
- Diamter: 60mm
- Capacity: 475 ml
and keeping my pore quad cores cold are a 360mm rad infront of cpu and a 120mm between cpu and gpu
letting me game at a maximum of 45-50c on gpu and 55to60c on cpu at 5.1 / 5.2ghz

the i7 7700k cost as much as a i7 9700k here in sweden so that my next buy but i am gona OC the snought out of this thing first!

 

[phanbuey]

@dirtyferret

From your same review..... oh look 8c/8t stuttering...

 

[oxrufiioxo]

intel owners calling intel owners fanboys now I've seen everything.... guess I'm an 8 core 16 thread shill

 

[The Egg]

intel owners calling intel owners fanboys now I've seen everything.... guess I'm an 8 core 16 thread shill

Actually....the best part is that I'm also running a 9700k

 

[phanbuey]

intel owners calling intel owners fanboys now I've seen everything.... guess I'm an 8 core 16 thread shill

Actually....the best part is that I'm also running a 9700k

You both are so insecure...

...it's pathetic!

rqft:

4/8 - Too few cores
6/6 - Too few threads
6/12 - Good
8/8 - Good
8/16 - Great

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Anyways this is all sorta off topic and anyone with a 9700k can buy whatever GPU they want this isn't what the thread is about maybe in 2-3 years we can have this discussion lol.

I'm sure we will see is the 9700k good enough for the RTX 4070/Radeon whatever and people Can fight about that then lol.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

the i7 7700k cost as much as a i7 9700k here in sweden so that my next buy but i am gona OC the snought out of this thing first!

Used 7700k should be at worst 2500SEK nowadays(not that it's actually worth that much)...

I found a cheap Maximus 8 Formula (€110) and decided to snag it earlier this year (jan iirc?), I managed to find a 7700k for €240 to go along with it. When I saw the motherboard I thought it would be a pretty cool piece of kit, and I was curious what the apex of quad cores would be like (I previously used a 4790k).It was quite a nice chip to work with for daily usage and 144hz gaming, very stable FPS wise, easy to OC on both the CPU and memory, only real downside was not having enough grunt to stream CPU heavy games. Unfortunately as the security patches for the side channel attacks started rolling in I started getting pretty noticeable stutters in games when I had my browser and discord open at the same time, both in R6 Siege and CSGO. I ended up selling the CPU and board for €400 together (I valued the CPU at €240 at the time of selling).

Definitely a fun chip, and if I had the money I would have kept it for benching, unfortunately it doesn't make the cut for me as far as gaming goes.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Used 7700k should be at worst 2500SEK nowadays(not that it's actually worth that much)...

I found a cheap Maximus 8 Formula (€110) and decided to snag it early this year, I managed to find a 7700k for €240 to go along with it. When I saw the motherboard I thought it would be a pretty cool piece of kit, and I was curious what the apex of quad cores would be like (I previously used a 4790k). Unfortunately as the security patches for the side channel attacks started rolling in I started getting pretty noticeable stutters in games when I had my browser and discord open at the same time, both in R6 Siege and CSGO. I ended up selling the CPU and board for €400 together (I valued the CPU at €240 at the time of selling).

Definitely a fun chip, and if I had the money I would have kept it for benching, unfortunately it doesn't make the cut for me as far as gaming goes.

My brother has the same issues with a 6700K I gave him with a 1080 ti random stutters in a lot of games.. He doesn't have the budget to move on from it though so he will probably have to wait till I move on from my 9900k.

 

[GorbazTheDragon]

My brother has the same issues with a 6700K I gave him with a 1080 ti random stutters in a lot of games.. He doesn't have the budget to move on from it though so he will probably have to wait till I move on from my 9900k.

I'd look into selling the 6700k, there's a good chance you can get enough off the CPU+mobo to afford a 3600...

The great thing about the second hand market is it's easy to ditch a platform if you don't like it, especially considering intel stuff is price bloated right now and zen/zen+ stuff is extremely cheap.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'd look into selling the 6700k, there's a good chance you can get enough off the CPU+mobo to afford a 3600...

I've told him this same thing multiple times he's doesn't listen lol

 

[Metroid]

Programs aren't written to use X amount of cores, they are usually written to scale dynamically according to the number of threads available.

Let's put an end to this myth that "programs/games don't use more than 4 cores" or whatever , OK ? It's a meaningless statement or inaccurate at best. There are only two groups, the programs that use multiple threads and the ones don't, of the latter there aren't many left out there if any that aren't multithreaded.

I agree if you say the programs written nowadays, some years ago was not that way and that coincides to when 1 - 2 cores was the normal for most programs and could not scale more than that.

 

[Ben_Doverson]

Used 7700k should be at worst 2500SEK nowadays(not that it's actually worth that much)...

I found a cheap Maximus 8 Formula (€110) and decided to snag it earlier this year (jan iirc?), I managed to find a 7700k for €240 to go along with it. When I saw the motherboard I thought it would be a pretty cool piece of kit, and I was curious what the apex of quad cores would be like (I previously used a 4790k).It was quite a nice chip to work with for daily usage and 144hz gaming, very stable FPS wise, easy to OC on both the CPU and memory, only real downside was not having enough grunt to stream CPU heavy games. Unfortunately as the security patches for the side channel attacks started rolling in I started getting pretty noticeable stutters in games when I had my browser and discord open at the same time, both in R6 Siege and CSGO. I ended up selling the CPU and board for €400 together (I valued the CPU at €240 at the time of selling).

Definitely a fun chip, and if I had the money I would have kept it for benching, unfortunately it doesn't make the cut for me as far as gaming goes.

thats some great deals right there . i stayed in the 4th gen 4790k and 5775c and then i just when for it , got this whole kit of gigabyte z270 .7600k . 2x8 corsair pro rgb dor 2550sek (250€ ish)
anf thats just 4 months ago and i am hunting for anyting abow 8700k or 2011.3 like maybe a i I7 5820k on a x99 or someting else with 4 channels and some cores

i used to do EOC on my msi mpower z97 i7 4790k and i7 5775c with Ln2 and some homade 'timmyjoe ( jays2cents ,gamers nexus kind of home invetion stuff butthe rig ia am using now woulf just crack or shoort if i brought out the LN2 pot =
:'D

 

[freeagent]

I play a little FC5, GTAV, RE2 at 1080p 60hz with vsync on and I don't get the stutters you all speak of. A smooth 60 most of the time. Maybe you all need to check your overclocks

RE2 seems like its the most demanding for sure. Beats on my 980 pretty hard.. Makes me wish I had a 980 Ti

 

[EarthDog]

I play a little FC5, GTAV, RE2 at 1080p 60hz with vsync on and I don't get the stutters you all speak of. A smooth 60 most of the time. Maybe you all need to check your overclocks

RE2 seems like its the most demanding for sure. Beats on my 980 pretty hard.. Makes me wish I had a 980 Ti

YOu have 8 threads. This is typically acceptable and shows few losses.

 

[Ben_Doverson]

this is whats forked in sweden ,used marker vs new

Intel Core i5 9400F 2.9 GHz 9MB - 1 789 kr aprox 180€ or $
Intel Core i5 9600KF 3.7 GHz 9MB - 2 490 kr ~250$ or € swedish prices are 1 /10th of a euro or dollar
Intel Core i5 9600K 3.7 GHz 9MB - kr( 2 889) reduced to 2 590
the one i wanted but cant afford -
Intel Core i7 9700K 3.6 GHz 12MB (used to be 4 479 kr ) now 4 290 kr ~430€



VS

Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0 GHz 8MB - 1 730 kr and still going becouse its a bidding sight and its 2 days left . some go for 200€ and 7700k sometime hit 220 or worse


point of all of this. 6th and 7th gen 's are over prices and only for the reason that its ez for n33bs to oc snf feel god about emselfs .LMAO

just found this on same site .. anyone who can donate me 1900€

this beast doesnt even have a production date only Launch Date Q3'17

Intel® Xeon® Gold 6140 Processor (24.75M Cache, 2.30 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Xeon® Gold 6140 Processor (24.75M Cache, 2.30 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

ark.intel.com

Brand new never used. Intel Xeon Gold 6140 18-core / 36 wires 2.3 GHz Max. turbo speed 3.7 GHz Sockets Supported FCLGA3647 See more info here: https://www.komplett.se/product/965199/computer equipment/computer components/processor/intel-xeon-gold-6140-processor# https://ark.intel.com /content/www/us/en/ark/products/120485/intel-xeon-gold-6140-processor-24-75m-cache-2-30-ghz.html Receipt available Can be picked up in Stockholm or sent by mail.

i wonder if it can play crysis?

 

[Deleted member 185158]

this is whats forked in sweden ,used marker vs new

Intel Core i5 9400F 2.9 GHz 9MB - 1 789 kr aprox 180€ or $
Intel Core i5 9600KF 3.7 GHz 9MB - 2 490 kr ~250$ or € swedish prices are 1 /10th of a euro or dollar
Intel Core i5 9600K 3.7 GHz 9MB - kr( 2 889) reduced to 2 590
the one i wanted but cant afford -
Intel Core i7 9700K 3.6 GHz 12MB (used to be 4 479 kr ) now 4 290 kr ~430€



VS

Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0 GHz 8MB - 1 730 kr and still going becouse its a bidding sight and its 2 days left . some go for 200€ and 7700k sometime hit 220 or worse


point of all of this. 6th and 7th gen 's are over prices and only for the reason that its ez for n33bs to oc snf feel god about emselfs .LMAO

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just found this on same site .. anyone who can donate me 1900€

this beast doesnt even have a production date only Launch Date Q3'17

Intel® Xeon® Gold 6140 Processor (24.75M Cache, 2.30 GHz) - Product Specifications | Intel

Intel® Xeon® Gold 6140 Processor (24.75M Cache, 2.30 GHz) quick reference with specifications, features, and technologies.

ark.intel.com

Brand new never used. Intel Xeon Gold 6140 18-core / 36 wires 2.3 GHz Max. turbo speed 3.7 GHz Sockets Supported FCLGA3647 See more info here: https://www.komplett.se/product/965199/computer equipment/computer components/processor/intel-xeon-gold-6140-processor# https://ark.intel.com /content/www/us/en/ark/products/120485/intel-xeon-gold-6140-processor-24-75m-cache-2-30-ghz.html Receipt available Can be picked up in Stockholm or sent by mail.

i wonder if it can play crysis?

That's very offensive! I do feel like good when overclocking.
There's nothing good like the feeling of performance gains.

 

[eidairaman1]

That's very offensive! I do feel like good when overclocking.
There's nothing good like the feeling of performance gains.

Yup just helped another make a xfx 5700 DD ultra into a 5700xt thic 2 ultra.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Yup just helped another make a xfx 5700 DD ultra into a 5700xt thic 2 ultra.

That's awesome. You're the man.
ONLY@TECHPOWERUP!!!

 

[moproblems99]

...its a hobby not the search for the cure to cancer.

That's right, but pissing money down the drain doesn't make sense in a hobby either. There are always going to be cases where a quad core is going to be the only option. But if there is any other option, the quad is not the correct choice.

 

[eidairaman1]

That's right, but pissing money down the drain doesn't make sense in a hobby either. There are always going to be cases where a quad core is going to be the only option. But if there is any other option, the quad is not the correct choice.

Duals and quads have their place, lp/nas applications.

 

[sepheronx]

Quote me - where did I make stuff up and where did I post anything about my own CPU? (btw I have 2 main CPUs but I'm assuming you're referring to the 8700k)...

but go ahead - install farcry 5 on your system and be treated to:

I have played it on my 4 core 4 thread system just fine. Some stuttering but nothing bad.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Duals and quads have their place, lp/nas applications.

Hell even the new Ryzen3 quads are actually good for gaming. Not preferred, but if you can't afford more or have a limited budget and want to put more into the GPU(wiser choice), then it's a good performing choice that can be OC'd very well.

 

[potato580+]

framerate is beyond my concern, ghosting the most i avoid, resultion aslong is still on hd is nice and fullhd is great for me, i can bear even with 30fps stable, my eyes is special iguess
asfor triple A it depend our taste, i found that many over rated games basicly just eye candy, or should i say it trashcan for me personally, so its not worth pay for curent hightect if the games aint so worth for, unless you get the cash & willing to spend, pardon no offense chill

 

[budget_Optiplex]

This is an awesome reason why someone would still game on a quad core paring it with a GPU that makes sense and doing the most with whatever budget you have.

This post is more about why people think a 6600k/7600k is still good enough for a $400+ GPU that especially at 1080p is going to be a stutter fest in a lot of new games assuming you're trying to get the maximum performance out of the gpu.

Point taken about this thread.

I do agree that even based on my own experiences doing system work for others that with something like a 7600k, that a high end or high mid-range GPU is probably not going to get fully utilized especially for typical 1080p gaming. I have found that something like an 8GB RX580 or 6GB GTX1060, or maybeeeee the new 1650 Super is most likely an ideal match for a high IPC 4-core/4-thread CPU. In fact just put a 6GB GTX1060 in friends system that has an i5 7400 and it seems to work quite well for him, though he mostly plays stuff like GTA V, and various Assasins Creed games. Was a huge bump from his previous GTX960 2GB, im sure that the 2GB VRAM limitation kills most video cards at 1080p in any modernish game as my 4GB VRAM is well utilized even at the low 1366x768 my personal monitor uses.

I think any 2GB VRAM card is pretty much done at this point for modernish games without a lot of tweaking of game settings and game configuration files.

 

[phanbuey]

I have played it on my 4 core 4 thread system just fine. Some stuttering but nothing bad.

yeah but 'some stuttering' is totally fine on a 4 core 4 thread system... when you're talking about 'some stuttering' on a system that costs more than things that have 'no stuttering' - then it's a bit different.