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You pretty much can compare them when they are performing exactly like the previous ones. 30% more ALUs for 30% more performance. AMD had to know that and I was expecting more ALUs. As soon as I saw that 2048 SPs were confirmed I knew what the performance would be, and no matter what you guys think, it is dissapointing compared to previous generations. Not only because of lacking performance, but because of the much increased prices.
Not in the way he was comparing 3870->4870 did not offer 120% more performance while having 120% more ALU's. The 6970 vs 7970 is not going to give a 50% increase. The structuring is still different and the performance reflects that.
 

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You guys need to chill with all the % figures and math here.

HD7970 is awesome. Period.
 

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Not in the way he was comparing 3870->4870 did not offer 120% more performance while having 120% more ALU's. The 6970 vs 7970 is not going to give a 50% increase. The structuring is still different and the performance reflects that.
So you're saying that the HD 4870 had a less efficient architecture than that of the HD 3870?

LOL. Maybe you should think twice before you post next time :laugh:

The HD 4870 was held back by its ROPs. Everyone knows that.


OT:

You guys, I really had only two goals when starting this thread:

1.) I guess I must be sensitive, because the fact that 90% of people couldn't recognize a failure when they saw.. really pissed me off.

2.) I wanted to bring it to your attention that what is happening in the CPU market.. might start happening in the GPU market.

The reason why Intel isn't releasing anything revolutionary lately.. because there is no competition. And we all know what that means.

Now, if say, nVidia and AMD made a pact to keep performance down, they could sell us a 30% better card for twice the price.

If you all aren't at least somewhat worried about that, I don't know what is wrong with you.

We went from 75-100% to 30-50%!

WAKE UP PEOPLE.
 
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Why are 99% of the cards giving 10% more performance?

#OccupyAMD

We are the ones who are supposed to criticize. If it wasn't for us, the corporations would do whatever they want.
Newsflash. Corporations can do whatever they want.

Also, corporations are people too any you could be hurting their feelings.
 

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HD7970 is awesome. Period.
OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD!

It's like AMD has turned you all into royal butt kissers! :rolleyes:

HD 7970 is awesome?! 30% is awesome?!

If HD 4870 was 30% more powerful than HD 3870 would you consider it awesome too?!

PEOPLE!

We are the ones who are supposed to criticize. If it wasn't for us, the corporations would do whatever they want.

Don't just accept anything as awesome..
 

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So you're saying that the HD 4870 had a less efficient architecture than that of the HD 3870?

LOL. Maybe you should think twice before you post next time

The HD 4870 was held back by its ROPs. Everyone knows that
No I am saying that the ALU's are not comparable between the two AT ALL. The ALU's, ROP's entire core is structured differently you are comparing apples and oranges right now you may as well throw in the counts for nvidia cores while you are at it. To put it in perspective the mobile 6650 has 480ALU's is that comparable to a 3870 ALU vs ALU? NO. You are wrong get off this damn tangent. As we sit right now the 7970 is the most powerful single card out there. It will continue to get better as driver updates are released all AMD cards do it and always will. If you don't like the performance go find a better card. Wait there isn't one. :shadedshu
 

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No I am saying that the ALU's are not comparable between the two AT ALL. The ALU's, ROP's entire core is structured differently you are comparing apples and oranges right now you may as well throw in the counts for nvidia cores while you are at it. To put it in perspective the mobile 6650 has 480ALU's is that comparable to a 3870 ALU vs ALU? NO. You are wrong get off this damn tangent. As we sit right now the 7970 is the most powerful single card out there. It will continue to get better as driver updates are released all AMD cards do it and always will. If you don't like the performance go find a better card. Wait there isn't one. :shadedshu


The Rv670 and the Rv770 are not completely alien to each other.

You speak as if they are as different as the R600 and G80.

There are extremely minor differences between the VLIW5 Rv670 and VLIW5 Rv770.

The reason the HD 6650 is not as powerful as the HD 3870 is because it's lacking elsewhere.
 
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1.) I guess I must be sensitive, because the fact that 90% of people couldn't recognize a failure when they saw.. really pissed me off.

The reason why Intel isn't releasing anything revolutionary lately.. because there is no competition. And we all know what that means.

Now, if say, nVidia and AMD made a pact to keep performance down, they could sell us a 30% better card for twice the price.

If you all aren't at least somewhat worried about that, I don't know what is wrong with you.

WAKE UP PEOPLE.
I'm worried about more important shit like disease and religious hatred. I suggest you put your slippers on dear and head straight to bed.

As for Intel... No, tri-gate isn't an incredibly expensive R&D innovation that will help evolve power usage in chips. So yeah, Intel aren't trying to innovate...

As for the 7970 take your head out of your bottom. It is a massive step forward. It's a proper compute device now due to the inclusion and innovation of GCN which for them means the card can be used for general compute resources and not just for heavy handed frame bashing.

It's fucking redundant to release a card twice as fast as last generation when last generation runs GAMES just fine. This is a tech release - it isn't all about FPS. Fact is:

It is way faster than the 6970.
It is undeniably faster than a 580.
It is more effeicient than a 580 (arguably more so than a 6970 depending on review).
It scales tremendously in crossfire.
It has a bona fide compute architecture that last generation was missing.

And last thing, it's just a goddamned graphics card. Lighten up. Like me.

Merry fucking christmas :toast:
 
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Thanks for the morning chuckle, folks!

Seriously, I see a ton of fanboyisim here... What gets my dollar will be the better card once kelper comes out... GTX470's are slowly slowing age when you do 3D/surround.

I'm happy that the card is doing -exactly- what it was supposed to do... beat the 580.
 
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Its funny, everyone is happy with the performance of the 7970 except people who have 580's/590's lol.

The 7970 looks great to me. The 6970 was a disappointment when compared to the 5870(and I still got it) but the 7970 is a great improvement.

Its the fastest card in the world...what more can you ask for?
 

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I'm worried about more important shit like disease and religious hatred. I suggest you put your slippers on dear and head straight to bed.

As for Intel... No, tri-gate isn't an incredibly expensive R&D innovation that will help evolve power usage in chips. So yeah, Intel aren't trying to innovate...

As for the 7970 take your head out of your bottom. It is a massive step forward. It's a proper compute device now due to the inclusion and innovation of GCN which for them means the card can be used for general compute resources and not just for heavy handed frame bashing.

It's fucking redundant to release a card twice as fast as last generation when last generation runs GAMES just fine. This is a tech release - it isn't all about FPS. Fact is:

It is way faster than the 6970.
It is undeniably faster than a 580.
It is more effeicient than a 580 (arguably more so than a 6970 depending on review).
It scales tremendously in crossfire.
It has a bona fide compute architecture that last generation was missing.

And last thing, it's just a goddamned graphics card.
I bet if I did talk about religion, you'd come in here and say that I should be worried about more important things like hunger.

If you compare everything to something worse, you could say that rape and murder are "just a goddamned act against one person."

I rest my case.
 

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Its funny, everyone is happy with the performance of the 7970 except people who have 580's/590's lol.

The 7970 looks great to me. The 6970 was a disappointment when compared to the 5870(and I still got it) but the 7970 is a great improvement.

Its the fastest card in the world...what more can you ask for?
Oh gee, I don't know..

How about the SAME THING WE GOT LAST TIME?!

Okay, fine.

I thought that if a new card got released and it was 5% better, people would be upset.

I see now I was wrong.

As long as it's "the fastest card in the world", you dolts won't give a damn.

Well, excuse my socialism.
 
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Its funny, everyone is happy with the performance of the 7970 except people who have 580's/590's lol.
Not true dude. Please don't generalise - it DOES make your comment seem Red in hue. I have a smashtastic GTX 580 Lightning but I also think the 7970 is a good card. I'd consider a water cooled variant happily.
 

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Not true dude. Please don't generalise - it DOES make your comment seem Red in hue. I have a smashtastic GTX 580 Lightning but I also think the 7970 is a good card. I'd consider a water cooled variant happily.
Right..

Because being an apologist is so much better than being biased.
 
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Not in the way he was comparing 3870->4870 did not offer 120% more performance while having 120% more ALU's. The 6970 vs 7970 is not going to give a 50% increase. The structuring is still different and the performance reflects that.
I understand your point. I was just saying that just because the SPs are arranged differently, that does not mean they are different. Honestly they could have been different, but it's pretty damn obvious they are not. The new arrangement was suposed to give slightly better peformance not lower performacne, so keep that in mind.

And really that's why I am mostly dissapointed. AMD knew they were equal, despite the new arrangementm they knew what (minor) improvements they would bring to gaming and chose to realease a 2048 SP card anyway. It's as if they didn't want to compete with Kepler. I'm pretty sure that a 2560 SP card, would have had a much better performance to die size ratio than this one, but they chose to make a 360 mm^2 chip again, even if a 450 mm^2 would have fared much much better, IMO.

Look, I know better than 90% of people on here, that AMD had to do a lot of sacrifices in order to add compute performance and tesselation and so on (sacrifices that Nvidia had to do on previous generations). So for a 360 mm^2 chip they didn't really do a bad job, but IMO they fell short, very very short, and that's bad for us, bad for competition. The only way in which AMD will be competitive is if Nvidia fails to deliver too, which for the sake of technology and advancement, I hope they don't.

At least with Fermi Nvidia had the balls to put everything in there, even if that meant to release a 500mm^2 behemoth, they didn't trade off gaming performance. Yes they kind of failed with GF100, or the process failed and they had to disable parts and downclock, resulting in non stellar performance, but at least they tried and should had everything go smooth they would have released the GTX580 3 months earlier than GTX480 did, a very different picture than what happened, imagine GTX580 vs HD5870.

AMD didn't even tried to compete performance wise this time around, and unlike with previous generations they don't seem to be willing to compete on price either. Performance might not have increased as much as I first thought, but at least perf/price was always much much better with new generations. Now not even that.
 

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The Rv670 and the Rv770 are not completely alien to each other.

You speak as if they are as different as the R600 and G80.

There are extremely minor differences between the VLIW5 Rv670 and VLIW5 Rv770.

The reason the HD 6650 is not as powerful as the HD 3870 is because it's lacking elsewhere.
you are correct however the RV770 GPU combines more ALU's along with 10 SIMD 2.5x the number of execution units as a RV670. The reason it scales poorly is the way the thread handling is set up. It is designed to be able to do 5 instructions at the same time but requires all 5 instructions be in the same thread. This is only useful when it is doing heavy computations something similar to what long pipelines do to a CPU. If you want me to get into more specifics I can. The only change between RV670 and RV770 design wise is double the execution units. Yet we do not see double the performance. Overheads a bitch ain't it.

I understand your point. I was just saying that just because the SPs are arranged differently, that does not mean they are different. Honestly they could have been different, but it's pretty damn obvious they are not. The new arrangement was suposed to give slightly better peformance not lower performacne, so keep that in mind.
Not saying SP's are arranged differently saying the core is not the same structuring.
 

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I don't care if HD 7970 is not a second coming of Jesus. All that matters to me is it's faster than GTX 580, and more energy-efficient than it, and its performance/$ equation scales nicely. People hardly care about things such as inter-generation improvements when they go to buy a graphics card. Market logic and consumerism take over bullshit Brand A vs. Brand B competition comeback soap-opera.

As for "kepler is around the corner, NV shal rool again", please. Nobody cares about things that don't exist. You want a good GPU? Go buy whatever is best on the day. There's always something better "around the corner".
 
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People are losing their minds. Why can't there ever be a civil discussion when AMD, Intel or Nvidia releases a new product?

Chill out, skip the card if you're concerned about performance. Voting with your wallet is the best way to let AMD, Intel or Nvidia know you're not happy. Trying to convince people that X product sucks, I'm waiting for X product to come out because it will be better is stupid.


Nobody cares about things that don't exist.
I dunno man. The entire bible belt would probably disagree.
 

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I don't care if HD 7970 is not a second coming of Jesus. All that matters to me is it's faster than GTX 580, and more energy-efficient than it, and its performance/$ equation compares nicely. People hardly care about things such as inter-generation improvements when they go to buy a graphics card. Market logic and consumerism takes over bullshit Brand A vs. Brand B competition comeback soap-opera.

As for "kepler is around the corner, NV shal rool again", please. Nobody cares about things that don't exist.
I sure hope that nvidia don't take a leaf out of AMD's book and make a card that's a mere 15% better than the 7970.
 
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I bet if I did talk about religion, you'd come in here and say that I should be worried about more important things like hunger.

If you compare everything to something worse, you could say that rape and murder are "just a goddamned act against one person."

I rest my case.
Do I have to? Oh well...

Case re-opened.

If you are actually caused mental duress by a graphics card being below your expectations, fair enough. That's just silly now, isn't it?
In your view people seeing this card as a good thing means these people are blinded? Not true. They simply do not have the same very high expecttaions that you have of this release.
You can post on these forums all day about what you expected but people have different expectations so please do not harass the good people on TPU for having more realistic expectations than you.
The 5 series cards were great from AMD. The 6 series were not such an improvement. I see this as a significant step up from the last series in terms of combined usage of gpu compute capability and gaming purposes.

Please don't have a go at people for being different to you. They accept it as good - you don't. You can post considered comments and you'll get civility back. But when you start jumping up and down like a little child, well, you look silly. No?

So, let's all be mature.

You think 7970 sucks Kepler balls. Fine. Others think it kicks Fermi balls. Fine too.

Oh, and this:
you could say that rape and murder are "just a goddamned act against one person."
is in fact just that and both are horrific.


Move on.
 

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I sure hope that nvidia don't take a leaf out of AMD's book and make a card that's a mere 15% better than the 7970.
If they will, it will be because they will have decided to do so, AMD isn't a market-messiah that carries expectations of countless utopia-seekers on its shoulders. So, don't blame AMD when that happens.
 
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I sure hope that nvidia don't take a leaf out of AMD's book and make a card that's a mere 15% better than the 7970.
Haha, thats what Nvidia has been doing for years. 580,10-15% faster than 6970, 480 10-15% faster than 5870.

That Nvidia's business plan, wait for AMD to produce new tech, then build a GPU to match then beat by 10%, then charge $100 more. haha
 

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Oh gee, I don't know..

How about the SAME THING WE GOT LAST TIME?!

Okay, fine.

I thought that if a new card got released and it was 5% better, people would be upset.

I see now I was wrong.

As long as it's "the fastest card in the world", you dolts won't give a damn.

Well, excuse my socialism.
Lol..... I think when it all boils down to it.... it's about expectations, long gone are the days where I expected literally a doubling in performance.... from any offering but in the last year or so, IMO there has been increased hype from AMD (understandably) and therefore some expectations rocket..... just take a look at the Bulldozer and Cypress threads from yesterday and yesteryear, by the end of what appeared to be one big specualation orgy lots of people were expecting all but nuclear fusion from new offerings, simply to be left like a wounded, anaemic puppy :D
 
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