Why is xbox incompatible with windows coding?

[farlex85]

bad deal I fixed my friends rrod deal because he voided his warranty. when I cracked the top to look inside I wanted to vomit at its design. They mid as well have incased it in lava

How can such a huge company with so many resources have such blatant disregard for simplicities such as heat? Profit? Or Prank? I think I know the answer to that one. I would almost rather it be a prank. :shadedshu

Please borrow one. I don't advise anyone wasting money on that POS. I loved my PS3 the only reason it got messed up was my fiancé turned it off my
Mistake when it was updating and jacked the firmware up.

Yeah the PS3 is pretty nice. I just can't stand those controllers. If only I could have the best of both worlds, a nice design and a controller of my choosing with game catalogs that span both libraries......oh wait, I do, it's my PC.

I do think I'll get a PS3 whenever I get a nice TV though if only for BD and MGS and FF.

 

[RevengE]

How can such a huge company with so many resources have such blatant disregard for simplicities such as heat? Profit? Or Prank? I think I know the answer to that one. I would almost rather it be a prank. :shadedshu



Yeah the PS3 is pretty nice. I just can't stand those controllers. If only I could have the best of both worlds, a nice design and a controller of my choosing with game catalogs that span both libraries......oh wait, I do, it's my PC.

I do think I'll get a PS3 whenever I get a nice TV though if only for BD and MGS and FF.

Good choice..I only have one for BluRay, guitar hero, and of course MGS and some games that never come Out on PC.

 

[HookeyStreet]

Fact ! pc gaming in dieing out. Wow is single handedly keeping pc gaming alive but its showing its age & doesnt need the lastest gpu's. Nvidia & Ati are going to be in trouble !

You only have to look in any high street games shop to see how bad things have gotten.
4 walls awash with consoles games, Shelves full of console hardware, part exchange deals for console games & a massive collection of bargain second hand games.

Then there's the pc games section. Where the F*k ? oh its that little rack in the corner :shadedshu
No pc hardware, No second hand games & part ex. Pc gaming is not mainstream. Its as if its getting to be something only a select few of die hards do.

In my opinion microsoft are a good part of the reason for this. Xbox 360 is killing pc gaming !
Would it have been so hard to have made the xbox with windows based coding so xbox games run on pc's & pc games run on xbox. Most pc games are xbox ports anyway.
I could only see that would have made xbox & pc gaming massive. You could maybe say to massive. Unfair to opposition perhaps ???

Whats you guys think? Am i right or full of crap !

Consoles are made for the average gamer. They are fairly cheap and are guaranteed to 'run' whatever game you put in it (as long as it is made for that platform obviously). But PC gaming is more select because of the sheer cost of hardware needed to be able to run each specific game. This makes console gaming the popular of the two options

I know some will say "but performance (graphics mainly) isnt everything!" and "I still enjoy solitaire and that doesnt need a £400 graphics card / CPU to run it!" etc ect blah blah blah, but we all know this is total crap. Games depend a lot on graphics to attract you to it (to start with) and consoles like the 360 & PS3 have great graphics....not on par with an uber highend gaming rig....but still nice enough for the 'average' gamer.

I admittedly miss my gaming rig, but I dont regret giving up on PC gaming and going to the 360 because it is more affordable.

PS: I wouldnt want every 360 title to be compatible with the PC version because I would get owned by someone with a keyboard & mouse

 

[El Fiendo]

Huh, I think my Xbox has graphics that look like TF2 running more realistic textures. Not too spiffy if you ask me.


All we need now is Macintosh to jump in the market because all the kids are into consoles. Now the only question is would they actually put games on it, or would they run OSX and make it a console graphics/audio/video editing solution?

 

[KainXS]

The Xbox and the Xbox 360 could probaby be easily emulated in windows but legal problems will follow,

and te hardware in the 360 isn't even that powerful the pc equiv is about a 2900GT if even that, but consoles get optimized so much better than pc games now it makes me wanna cry and even then they blur the mess out of alot of games and drop view distances significantly, the average gamer wouldn't notice but a pc gamer would.

its funny though because the innovation in the current consoles gpu's aved the way for the video cards we use now

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Anyone else noticed the staggering amount of $70 dollar games you buy that you beat in 5-8 hours in the past years? Consoles. They caused this.

Graphics caused that. For every hour you spend on gameplay, you have to spend about 50 hours on graphics. That ratio is getting wider and wider. Games get prettier and shorter at the same time.

 

[El Fiendo]

Not true. RPGs, even for the console, can take up as many as 40 hours. Mind you a bulk of this is all mindless crap quests, but it still needs graphical coding and the like. But you can't tell me the development of these games cripples the game company, they wouldn't do them if it did. So how come I can beat CoD4 in roughly 6 hours and its all linear levels? Cash grab from the console gamers who have low expectations.

 

[AsRock]

steam would be a reason retail is dying out. makes getting games much less hassle

Well if Gamestop would set their PC policy the same as there other store ( EBGames ) i'd buy of them.

I like having retail more even if it means going out to get it 5 mile away... But not when your only real shop is a Gamestop which there policy's are plain BS.

then you have D2D too they are raking it in too.


To the OP.. This been said over and over and over and see it at least twice a year at some forum or website and it's still not died. I swear people say it so one year they can say they were right even though they been saying it for like 5+ years.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

The Xbox and the Xbox 360 could probaby be easily emulated in windows...

Not necessarily. The Xbox could (had a Pentium-based processor) but the Xbox 360 uses an IBM processor. The emulation would be far from flawless on Xbox 360.


I think Microsoft needs to ditch Xbox Live and set standards for certification and not useless standards that only apply to players crossing over from Xbox 360 to Windows (like Xbox 360 controller support). All save games, for instance, should be in a specific format in a specific location (somewhere in My Documents) to make it easier to back game saves up. All keyboard/mouse keys must be remappable. Frames per second must not have an upper limit. Plan for an unlimited amount of Anti-Aliasing and Aniscopic Filtering.

Think of it as a quality assurance program which has been in severe decline over the past seven years or so.

Not true. RPGs, even for the console, can take up as many as 40 hours. Mind you a bulk of this is all mindless crap quests, but it still needs graphical coding and the like. But you can't tell me the development of these games cripples the game company, they wouldn't do them if it did. So how come I can beat CoD4 in roughly 6 hours and its all linear levels? Cash grab from the console gamers who have low expectations.

Name one RPG that had blown your socks off with graphics. They cut back on the graphics and focus on adding more campaigns, missions, and the like (e.g. Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3).

RTS tends to be the longest genre of game there is. The AI is coded to be difficult but not impossible prolonging the game play. FPS tends to be the shortest because difficulty quickly leads to frustration/anger/bad experience. The only shooters that have any significant amount of length are those with lots of RPG elements interlaced (e.g. Mass Effect, Thief: Deadly Shadows, Dues Ex, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion). Note that, for the day, none of those had stellar graphics either but were at least on par.

Games like Starcraft 2 might have the best of both worlds but consider how long it took them to achieve that. Most gaming developers anymore have very restricted time tables. Graphics generally are created first so gameplay (specifically missions, length of gameplay, variety on missions, etc.) takes the most of the cuts.

 

[El Fiendo]

I personally thought that CoD4 was on the same level of graphics as Mass Effect and Fallout 3. Maybe with a touch more spit and shine, but not much. GTA 4 wasn't too far behind, but its a bit of a different style. I just can't get over paying 50 USD for CoD4 and then paying 45 USD for Mass Effect and Fallout 3 and getting 5x the content, roughly.

 

[crtecha]

How can such a huge company with so many resources have such blatant disregard for simplicities such as heat? Profit? Or Prank? I think I know the answer to that one. I would almost rather it be a prank. :shadedshu

No joke either that our the design team was on opiates the whole time. If I ever owned one that sucker would be out of the case and modded to the max. Infact I may look around and just do it just to

 

[razaron]

pc gaming isnt anywhere near dying. fair enough its less popular than console games right now but thats just because consoles just became more used than pcs for gaming recently. back in the days it was generally someone had there n64/nes AND pc for gaming.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

pc gaming isnt anywhere near dying. fair enough its less popular than console games right now but thats just because consoles just became more used than pcs for gaming recently. back in the days it was generally someone had there n64/nes AND pc for gaming.

PC gaming is also a niche where a majority of its users have a fairly in depth computer background...

Consoles are mainstream enough, people that don't know the difference between a Dell and an HP can use them

 

[Kreij]

Fact ! pc gaming in dieing out. Wow is single handedly keeping pc gaming alive but its showing its age & doesnt need the lastest gpu's. Nvidia & Ati are going to be in trouble !

Fact! PC gaming is nowhere near dying. Do your homework. Overall income from PC game sales is not as high as the console market, but it's still going strong even in the economic downturn. More people are playing games than going to movies.

You only have to look in any high street games shop to see how bad things have gotten.
4 walls awash with consoles games, Shelves full of console hardware, part exchange deals for console games & a massive collection of bargain second hand games.

Fact! PC sales at game stores are dying. Digital distribution is taking over. There was never any doubt that this would happen.

Then there's the pc games section. Where the F*k ? oh its that little rack in the corner :shadedshu
No pc hardware, No second hand games & part ex. Pc gaming is not mainstream. Its as if its getting to be something only a select few of die hards do.

Used game sales are being killed by DRM restrictions. Retail PC harware sales is being killed by online vendors (ie. NewEgg). Retail resale of PC parts is being killed by the TPU [FS] section.

In my opinion microsoft are a good part of the reason for this. Xbox 360 is killing pc gaming !
Would it have been so hard to have made the xbox with windows based coding so xbox games run on pc's & pc games run on xbox. Most pc games are xbox ports anyway.
I could only see that would have made xbox & pc gaming massive. You could maybe say to massive. Unfair to opposition perhaps ???

From a coding standpoint the transition for developers to go from console to PC or vice-versa has never been easier given what Microsoft has done. To think that a game would be a one for one code swap from PC to XBox 360 is to not understand hardware limitations and architecture.

Whats you guys think? Am i right or full of crap !

I respect the right for you to have your own opinion, but paraphasing your own words, you are "burdened with an overabundance of fecal matter."

 

[JATownes]

Retail resale of PC parts is being killed by the TPU [FS] section.

Loving the TPU [FS] section.

I respect the right for you to have your own opinion, but paraphasing your own words, you are "burdened with an overabundance with fecal matter."

HAHAHAHAHA I just found my new sig quote.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

Retail resale of PC parts is being killed by the TPU [FS] section.

Retail resale of PC components has never been good though.

 

[Kreij]

Retail resale of PC components has never been good though.

No they have not, but that is due to the fact that smaller shops cannot purchase in large enough quantities to remain competitive with large distributers.
One of the vendors that I use for work is CDW (because they will accept POs, which NewEgg will not). Even they cannot compete with the pricing on the 'Egg.

 

[Sir_Real]

You'll just see more PC only games starting to come out and parallel development with a console equivalent. .

(Just going back to an earlier post)

I personally don't think that will be the case. Pc exclusives are very expensive to develop & carry by far bigger risk of making a loss when taking into account higher piracy & smaller user base than consoles. Crysis cost $22 million to make. I'm no expert on what games are on the way but i'd put a good bet theres hardly any pc exclusives.

So whats that leave pc gamers to look forward to:
A, Sequel's & 3quals to safe bets, already established pc games such as Dawn of War.
B, Ports from consoles like cod 5.

Porting games from consoles is ok for now as xbox360 & PS3 games still look good. The prob i can see coming is the fact that them two consoles are gunna be goin strong for 3 or 4 years still and the games wont be graphically improving. The hardware wont allow it.
In 2 or 3 years time pc's are going to be leaps and bonds above the xbox & ps3.
Sounds good yeah. Apart from the fact pc's will still be getting almost strait console ports. People have been buying directx10 gpu's like hot cakes even though theres very few games use directx10. I can see the same being the case for directx11. Give it a year or 2 when ATI & nvidia start banging out Directx11 gpu's people are going to be wise to the fact they'll be lucky if they get 2 or 3 games that ever use it. Games manufacturers wont be rushing out to develop directx11 games. They'd av to develop the game from scratch. Much less risky to just port a game over from a console. The hype on some games alone will ensure they still sell.

I respect the right for you to have your own opinion, but paraphasing your own words, you are "burdened with an overabundance of fecal matter."

Hay i did ask if i'm full of crap Its give us all something to talk bout

 

[Kreij]

There is risk in creating any type of game, whether it be PC or console. You have to admit there have been some real turds on both platforms.

But then you have companies like Bethesda that consistently produce quality games for both platforms.

One of the things that the dev teams have to remember is that spending a jillion dollars on production will do nothing for the game if the game play sucks.

Movie tie-ins are the worst. The dev companies are under pressure to produce a game that releases at the same time as a movie, regardless of it's state of completion. That is not the fault of the devs, but of the publishers and marketting people. Most people would happily wait a month or so after a movies release to get a good game to play.

Just my 2 cents.

@Sir_Real : No offense intended. You started a good thread that generated discussion on various topics. That is what forums are all about. Your original post, however, it still full of crap

 

[WhiteLotus]

What i want to see are better ports, i meanhow hard would it be to port MGS, Halo and FF to the PC?

And yet they fail hard at doing it

 

[KainXS]

:shadedshu I can only dream that Dragonball Z the movie does not even get into a devs mind, oh the horror

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

What i want to see are better ports, i meanhow hard would it be to port MGS, Halo and FF to the PC?

And yet they fail hard at doing it

MGS-> Get original CD's and use ePSXe to emulate the psx.

But yeah, they failed hardcore at the Halo port.

 

[Sir_Real]

@Sir_Real : No offense intended. You started a good thread that generated discussion on various topics. That is what forums are all about. Your original post, however, it still full of crap

I agree

 

[computertechy]

i both play pc and xbox and have fun with them both!

but when my microshit crapbox decided to start crashing i cracked her open only to find that the thermal past on the CPU and GPU had become extremly hard!

i lapped the chips themselves and the heatsinks, applied OCZ freeze. NO MORE CRASHING

it was like cracking a heatsink off of an 6 year old Amd duron system

pc gaming FTW!

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I personally thought that CoD4 was on the same level of graphics as Mass Effect and Fallout 3. Maybe with a touch more spit and shine, but not much. GTA 4 wasn't too far behind, but its a bit of a different style. I just can't get over paying 50 USD for CoD4 and then paying 45 USD for Mass Effect and Fallout 3 and getting 5x the content, roughly.

TPS/FPS/RPG vs pure FPS. Maybe this is the trend? Pure FPS may just be an endangered species. Linear gameplay doesn't satisfy a large chunk of PC gamers like it does console gamers. The only way pure FPS thrives is through multiplayer. I'd say that already, most emphasis on FPS games have already moved to multiplayer; hence, the short single player. So if you want a game to not play online but you still want longevity, you must get something with RPG features.


I think it's fair to say that PC gaming is evolving and splitting up to meet the needs of a few separate demographics. It isn't dying but it also isn't the same beast it was ten years ago.