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Will Defragging My HDD Once a Day Kill It?

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I have a laptop running XP for work and I have Ashampoo magic defrag running in the background permanently. Whenever the machine is idle, it defrags.

The HDD is 3 years old and going strong.
 
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No, the only part of the drive that "wears out" is the bearings and the heads if they touch the disk, since they are riding on a cusion of air they won't wear out if you defrag, the bearings are more fatigued by LOW temps, and suffer the same fate weather or not the drive is in use.

Electromigration of the heads is a minor issue, I have never seen a drive die yet from it. Adn the actual use of the platter media actually is good for it, data left in place for long periods of time carry a higher chance of becoming permanently written to the sectors.
 

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My C: (Windows) drive usually gets more fragmented over time than my D: drive that has only games installed.

I find that once a month is sufficient.
 
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No-one seems to have noticed my definitive answer to this thread's question in post 5, so here it is again, FlavaOne:

No, that killing the HD idea is an urban myth and was comprehensively debunked by Techarp.

in that techarp report, it states that stress is put on the drive by defragging, but that stress is equally matched by the drive not having to search for fragmented files after defrag of drive... so in all it equals out the workload... now if as the original poster said.... defrag everyday, i see the balance shifting to unneccessary stress on the drive and shortened lifespan ;)
 
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Every thing dies some time :wtf: Some hardware we rush its death! :roll: I say if you install and uninstall things a lot you really have no choice but defrag. I Defrag often maybe every other day. I dont think its that harmful really.
 

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I defrag everyday but that's because I'm always moving music files here and saving new one's there. In 3 days it said like 10% of it fragmented lol
 
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in that techarp report, it states that stress is put on the drive by defragging, but that stress is equally matched by the drive not having to search for fragmented files after defrag of drive... so in all it equals out the workload... now if as the original poster said.... defrag everyday, i see the balance shifting to unneccessary stress on the drive and shortened lifespan ;)
Most defrag software I know, will only move files if they are fragmented.
Therefore most of the time it will just be a quick scan, I don't see any stress what so ever.

I run O&O defrag screen saver, and my ancient WD 40GB is still going strong.
 

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I don't think it would shorten the drive's life all that much. If you are de-fragmenting every day, chances are that the drive will not get that fragmented, so after the initial defragment, the amount of seeks/read/write cycles should be at a minimum.

Though I don't really see why you would want to defragment every day, that seems a bit excessive to me. What are you doing to the drive that is causing it to fragment enough to warrant a defragment every day?

it adds more reads and writes, but can reduce how many it has due to the files being defragged. it all depends on what defragment method is used - is your defragger ONLY messing with fragmented files, or does it re-order files, move them to the faster parts of the drive, etc.

The more activity your defragger causes, the less often you should run it.


How modern the drive is has nothing to do with how fragmented it is/will get. It is all about how the data is written to the drive.

its all about how the OS writes data to the drive ;)

Nothing really, I just do it cause it takes no longer than 5-10 minutes to complete. When I used to do it weekly, it would take at least 45-60 minutes and sometimes a bit longer to complete.

5-10 minutes sounds like its only touching fragmented files, and therefore isnt going to stress your drive too much. if its that quick, your performance gains would be zero and nil, however.

Would of thought they'd have had better controllers on the HDD PCB etc.

Newer drives do seem to fragment less at any rate.

My IDE drives needed defragging every month and were approx 30% fragmented.

its got nothing to do with the HDD at all. its all to do with the file system used, and the OS.

Why would you defrag your hard drive every day? Your hard drive doesn't get fragmented unless you put stuff on it. Only defrag after you make a large instillation (like a video game) or move a bunch of files.

Thats my way of thinking as well - i defrag maybe once every 3 months, but i have a logical HDD setup to prevent fragmentation

C: drive for OS only, games and programs on seperate partitions - its only the programs that write constantly that fragment your drive, so keeping my non-changing files (games) on a seperate drive or partition, prevents them ever fragmenting.

I tell you what's strange. I work in IT and when I look at user's computers I see that just using the PC with limited rights and storing everything on a network drive (nothing saved to the local HD) fragments them badly. This goes for both Win2k & XP.

Especially the older Win2K machines will have solid red showing in the defragger and run like treacle. Defragging them improves the response times significantly.

Why it should fragment like this I don't know.

because they're running old OS's, and likely fat32. as you said, the older machines on the older OS are worst, because MS tweaks that stuff as they go along with updates to the file systems, and how the OS writes to the drives.

NCQ has helped, but really the drive has little to do with where data is placed on the drive, the program/OS writing the data to the drive contols where it goes on the drive, and how it is fragmented.

For the most part, modern OSes have gotten better about keeping drive fragmentation to a minimum.

this man beat me to it. one cookie.

Sheesh, are you a moderator or a troll? You're manner is extremely rude and offensive. This is not the first time you've behaved this way towards me, either.

while not aimed at me, i have one thing to say: never pick a fight with a moderator. you lose the moment you try.
 

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Defragging your hard drive every day isn't going to do diddly to it.
It's not different than having an active server running 24/7.
Disk drives typically will die in the first 3 months or they will last for years.
Even if it did shorten the lifespan, the odds of you replacing it before it dies is far greater than it giving up the ghost from defragging.
Don' t worry about it. Back up your data (which you should be doing anyway) and defrag your heart out.

I'll pick a fight with a moderator !!! except mussels. i love his rainbows too much.
Oh crap, that won't work they all know me.
Keep up the good work gents.
 
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No I've never had a HD go bad from defrag but the question remains as to why you would want to so often.
If you have done a lot of Downloading and installing and removing of programs by all means defrag, other than that once a month is quite fine.. Last month I downloaded 120gb of games after all that installing I defragged it was 18%
 

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lol ... thanks Mussels. I needed a good laugh. :toast:
 
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It's actually better to defragment daily with small defragmentation "updates" instead massive workloads every week or month. I just have my Vista set to defrag my drives daily at 2:00 AM. So that i have fast drives ready for next day :)
 

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You need only defragment after placing a lot of data on the drive(s). For instance, if you just installed a game, several applications, and copied a music archive over from a backup (say, a total of 20 GiB), it would be a good idea to defragment.

I've had fragmentation higher than 70% (on more than one occasion) before I got around to defragging. I could never tell and my drives are still working great four years later.


The biggest drag on hard drive performance always was and always will be running at high storage capacity. The reason being that data passes the head much faster on the outer edge of the platters compared to near the center.


Another note: lots of small files create more fragmentation than few big files.
 
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i find the worst 2 partitions are my c: drive with the OS and the D: that utorrent downloads to are the worst hit as they are constantly getting data written to them. my other 4 hard drives all contain data that is almost never changes so when i run perfect disk it is only c: and d: that ever takes very long even then its only 2% fragmented at the very most.

if you ever use a bittorrent client dont download to your c drive as it fragments a drive badly because it never writes files to the disk in sequensial order its always fragments of files 500k in size so they end up spread all over the hard drive.
 

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i find the worst 2 partitions are my c: drive with the OS and the D: that utorrent downloads to are the worst hit as they are constantly getting data written to them. my other 4 hard drives all contain data that is almost never changes so when i run perfect disk it is only c: and d: that ever takes very long even then its only 2% fragmented at the very most.

if you ever use a bittorrent client dont download to your c drive as it fragments a drive badly because it never writes files to the disk in sequensial order its always fragments of files 500k in size so they end up spread all over the hard drive.

thats pretty much how i see it too - you're better off organising your drives in the first place, than defragging all the time.
 

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if you ever use a bittorrent client dont download to your c drive as it fragments a drive badly because it never writes files to the disk in sequensial order its always fragments of files 500k in size so they end up spread all over the hard drive.


If you use utorrent, you can preallocate the space for the files so there is no extra fragmentation from the torrent :) (if there is insufficient contiguous free space to begin with, even the 'prealloacted' file will be fragmented).

In any case, it's good practice to use a non-OS drive for torrents since Windows itself is always reading/writing files from/to the drive..

As for defrag, my system has Diskeeper 2009 Pro set on auto defrag mode; infact, I've been running some version or other of DK on auto defrag mode for the past few years and never have had a drive problem because of that. Works just fine and keeps fragmentation to a minimum at all times.
 
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I have run raid 0 arrays forever and I have always always defragged daily.I have never had an array or harddrive fail on any of my rigs. I like daily some say no way...its up to you.
 
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i find the worst 2 partitions are my c: drive with the OS and the D: that utorrent downloads to are the worst hit as they are constantly getting data written to them. my other 4 hard drives all contain data that is almost never changes so when i run perfect disk it is only c: and d: that ever takes very long even then its only 2% fragmented at the very most.

if you ever use a bittorrent client dont download to your c drive as it fragments a drive badly because it never writes files to the disk in sequensial order its always fragments of files 500k in size so they end up spread all over the hard drive.
You really should try clients like BitSpirit, they use your ram to as a cache first then write to your HDD in longer intervals. This dramaticaly reduce Fragmentation.
 

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because they're running old OS's, and likely fat32. as you said, the older machines on the older OS are worst, because MS tweaks that stuff as they go along with updates to the file systems, and how the OS writes to the drives.

Actually, they're all running NTFS. I've heard that it's got a tendency to fragment, but I don't understand why it would so badly, given the scenario I described. It seems that just reading the files fragments them? That makes no sense at all. :confused: I'd be grateful to anyone that does know.

while not aimed at me, i have one thing to say: never pick a fight with a moderator. you lose the moment you try.

lol, yeah. :laugh: In hindsight, I think saying "troll" was a little too heavy and unfair, whether I had a point, or not, so my apologies to Sneeky for that. I can't say any more though - was discussed in PMs + off topic here. (Things are good now, BTW. :) ).
 
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You need only defragment after placing a lot of data on the drive(s). For instance, if you just installed a game, several applications, and copied a music archive over from a backup (say, a total of 20 GiB), it would be a good idea to defragment.

Have to touch on that. Before will be much better and faster as there is 20GB less data to defragment.

Like others mentioned, prevention helps the most. I have swap partition (nothing else there), OS drive, games partitions, download partition and store partition.

Also fragmentation% doesn't need to correlate with the actual performance of the drive. You can have 1% fragmentation and still choppy video play. Say you have a 500GB drive full that looks like a Swiss cheese. Then you dumb a 6GB video file there, it'll fill all the holes and the file is written over the whole HDD area.

Take Vista's default defragment software that doesn't show you anything, you could have that happen. Easily with 3rd party defragger if you have too full hdd and don't defrag free space.

Oh and the comment on first page that IDE drive frament faster:

Newer drives do seem to fragment less at any rate.

My IDE drives needed defragging every month and were approx 30% fragmented.

I'd bet it's because your newer drives are bigger ;) HDDs write stuff on continuous empty space as long as there is some. The bigger the drive you have, less fragmented it'll get, unless you fill it.
 
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You need only defragment after placing a lot of data on the drive(s). For instance, if you just installed a game, several applications, and copied a music archive over from a backup (say, a total of 20 GiB), it would be a good idea to defragment.

I've had fragmentation higher than 70% (on more than one occasion) before I got around to defragging. I could never tell and my drives are still working great four years later.


The biggest drag on hard drive performance always was and always will be running at high storage capacity. The reason being that data passes the head much faster on the outer edge of the platters compared to near the center.


Another note: lots of small files create more fragmentation than few big files.

Actually this isn't entirely true. Small files are fragments by itself and operating system has no problem placing them wherever they fit right. But when you get a 4GB+ file, there is much higher probability that operating system will have to chop that huge file into pieces and fit them in available free space. So in reality, larger files make more fragmentation than small ones. Because even though small ones may be physically separated, they are still 1 fragment per file. Where large ones can be >100 fragments per file. And having separated files is always better than having fragmented files (be it small or large).
 

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If you're running on Vista or 7, it automatically defrags the HDD (albeit not at it's max performance) when you're idling or are doing light work. No need to defrag everyday unless you move and shuffle around big files a lot.
 

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in that techarp report, it states that stress is put on the drive by defragging, but that stress is equally matched by the drive not having to search for fragmented files after defrag of drive... so in all it equals out the workload... now if as the original poster said.... defrag everyday, i see the balance shifting to unneccessary stress on the drive and shortened lifespan ;)

Hmmm... I really think this one is too close to call and I reckon the difference in wear and tear is minute anyway. Think about it, even with a perfectly defragged drive, the heads are gonna go all over the disk anyway, as the files are needed effectively in random order (yes, I know that Windows can do some optimisation here, but it's still effectively mostly random).

EDIT: Hey, this is post 777 - and I've been thanked X times in 77 posts! :rockout:
 
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