Would a aftermarket cooler keep your room cooler or not? poll

Mussels · Feb 12, 2017

the heat is dumped into the room quicker - in a timescale of *seconds*

if the hotter running cooler could not handle the heat output of the CPU, it would throttle or crash - again, the same amount of heat is output, so the overall temperature in the room would be the same.

If you had a hair dryer and blew it through a straw, a garden hose, a dryer hose, or any household item the air pressure and temperature of the item you're blowing the heat through will change in that one immediate area, but its the SAME heat output - it just finds other ways out (instead of through the case/dryer exhaust, it'll vent out the casing instead, or slowly vent out once the unit is powered off)

jboydgolfer · Feb 12, 2017

Reading through some of these posts makes my brain hurt. I'm comfortable in the knowledge that I know how it works and that I don't need to explain it to someone else ,it's obviously magic

Everyone is still together in the thinking that if we rub cheetah blood on the heat sink ,it will cool more effectively and therefore turn the room into a parallel dimension?

CAPSLOCKSTUCK · Feb 12, 2017

shouldnt this add up to 100 ?

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CAPSLOCKSTUCK said:
shouldnt this add up to 100 ?

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It's .1% off lol

infrared · Feb 12, 2017

This really isn't complicated, don't they teach this stuff in school anymore?? I know there's a lot of other good explanations here, hopefully this will help those that are still confused.

Say your cpu is dumping 200w worth of heat continuously. Regardless of what cooler you have, that 200w of heat is leaving the case! It doesn't matter if your cpu runs at 90c or 50c, the room would heat up the same. A PC with cr@p airflow and cooling or watercooling(high thermal mass) might take a few mins before it's fully dissipating that 200w, but eventually it will, and by the same logic would be dissipating heat for longer when it goes to idle or tuned off.

A better cooler has a lower thermal resistance, so the heat is allowed to transfer to the ambient air easier, but that doesn't mean the room heats up more. I think some of you are mixed up with the thought that better heat transfer = hotter room, but that would only be the case if the CPU remained at the same temperature with a more efficient cooler fitted, but we all know that's not what happens, your CPU runs cooler instead.

Potatoking rightly pointed out that you'd have a few more watts at high temps compared to low temps, but it's pretty negligible imo, on a cpu anyway, the effect is much more noticable on a power hungry gpu.

edit: another idea to consider is PSU efficiency. If you're drawing 500w from a 90% efficient supply, an additional 50w is lost in heat.

CAPSLOCKSTUCK · Feb 12, 2017

tigger said:
It's .1% off lol

Yeah i know and its really kicked off my OCD

infrared · Feb 12, 2017

I'm loving the SLI badgers capslock lol

silkstone · Feb 12, 2017

Simple explanation:

Thermodynamics - Energy can not be created nor destroyed.

If it's clocked the same and boosting the same (i.e. the power draw is constant) then there will be absolutely no change.
All of the power used by the CPU is dumped into heat because . . . physics.

Caring1 · Feb 12, 2017

Iceni said:
The same amount of energy is transferred.

Here is the problem.

The Stock heatsink runs at 90C. The After-market one 45C with more airflow as well.

So If you are near the PC the 90C + lower airflow will affect more of the air near you.

The after-market one will draw more air and only heat that air to 45C. So the same energy is spread into a greater volume of air, So the perceived temp change near to the PC will be smaller.

This ^^^
I don't know anyone that has their PC across the room from them, or in another room from where they sit, so the air in their immediate vicinity is affected, although the overall temp in the room may be the same.

R-T-B · Feb 12, 2017

Beastie said:
Thermodynamics. Ain't life a bitch?

If you're referring to my misspelling, I had a fever when I wrote that from getting over the flu, and I still knew several of the answers here were pretty darn screwy.

Caring1 said:
This ^^^
I don't know anyone that has their PC across the room from them, or in another room from where they sit, so the air in their immediate vicinity is affected, although the overall temp in the room may be the same.

The amount of heat being exhausted is still the same with the... even in the... nevermind. There are several things wrong with the way the statement you just quoted looks at things, but I have a feeling you just don't want to learn this one.

I mean, I guess if we're looking at a time slice, maybe you could be right, but I live in moving time, like most people.

Caring1 · Feb 12, 2017

R-T-B said:
The amount of heat being exhausted is still the same with the... even in the... nevermind. There are several things wrong with the way the statement you just quoted looks at things, but I have a feeling you just don't want to learn this one.

I mean, I guess if we're looking at a time slice, maybe you could be right, but I live in moving time, like most people.

You say it in such a way that you think you are right, and therefore I am wrong, and don't understand what you are saying.
The fact is I know what I feel sitting at my computer all day and how hot it gets being near it.
It has nothing to do with learning, or not understanding, it is more to do with others unwillingness to understand anothers viewpoint and accept they are right too.

R-T-B · Feb 12, 2017

Caring1 said:
You say it in such a way that you think you are right, and therefore I am wrong, and don't understand what you are saying.
The fact is I know what I feel sitting at my computer all day and how hot it gets being near it.
It has nothing to do with learning, or not understanding, it is more to do with others unwillingness to understand anothers viewpoint and accept they are right too.

You are wrong. These are well established, laws of the universe type things dude.

You can't have "alternative facts" here. AKA "opinions" on the matter.

We also can't both be right, otherwise you'd be arguing your beefy cooler is making your room cooler while I'd be arguing the thermal energy is the same. The two are not compatible states outside of some kind of quantum universe shit.

I'm unsure what else to say. The only viewpoint that can be gained here is not only that you don't want to learn, but that you are actively fighting it.

I'm on too much cold-medicine to go on, but do know that what I feel for you isn't anger, but rather pity.

silkstone · Feb 12, 2017

Caring1 said:
This ^^^
I don't know anyone that has their PC across the room from them, or in another room from where they sit, so the air in their immediate vicinity is affected, although the overall temp in the room may be the same.

Assuming the same number and size of fans in the case, it really shouldn't matter.

Lets say your crappy heatsink will heat up 1sq foot of air to 50 degrees and the case fans move out 2 square foot of air (completely made up numbers) then the air being moved out by the fan is a mixture of cool and hot air which will pretty much reach thermal equilibrium instantly - Let's say 35 degrees (the fans make this happen)

The difference with the better heatsink is that it will heat up a higher volume of air (say 2 sq foot), but at a lower temperature. The case fans do nothing to help the air reach equilibrium like in the above situation as all the air is at already at 35 degrees (rather than a mix of hot and cool air).

This is a very simple explanation to a complex situation, but basically the size of the heatsink shouldn't really affect the local heat distribution. The size of the fans however, would. More air being pushed out of the case per second would lead to more air being pushed around the room in general leading to faster heat dissipation.

Heat is heat is heat. The only way you're going to make a difference to the time it takes for hot air to transfer its energy to cooler air is by aiding convection (fans). An increase temperature gradient would also speed convection up, but this wouldn't really happen outside of the case as the fans are dumping all of the air out.

Another analogy might be a 3-bar heater vs. a 2-bar heater, both operating at 1500 W.
They are both giving out exactly the same amount of heat, but the bars of one rise to a higher temperature. If you put the two heaters in a metal box, the box should heat up to the same temperature. (if you didn't have a box, you'd likely notice a difference in how they 'feel' due to radiation)

DRDNA · Feb 12, 2017

Melvis said:
Ok so I was having a debate with my brother today and we couldn't agree on the answer so I thought well why not bring it to the masses and see what everyone on here thinks.

So what you meant to say was you and your brothers social experiment to prove the contagiousness of information misrepresentation is so contagious even TPU user base could be infected.
Well done on a very successful social experiment and delivery of such infection!
It seems as of right now there is 1/10 of an spread of misinformation rate.

DeathtoGnomes · Feb 12, 2017

Its all relative, relatively moot.

Beastie · Feb 12, 2017

R-T-B said:
If you're referring to my misspelling, I had a fever when I wrote that from getting over the flu, and I still knew several of the answers here were pretty darn screwy.

No, I was referring to the inflexibility of physics, specifically the bit that says energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

Hey at least 91.8% voted the right way

Hope the flu is wearing off now.

NdMk2o1o · Feb 12, 2017

Vulcansheart said:
I agree 100% with 50% of your statement lol. The room will become warmer quicker. Since we aren't talking about saturating the room with heat to the point of equilibrium, then we've answered the OP's question. The more efficient the cooler, the quicker the room becomes warmer. Thus, at any given time interveral, the room is warmer with a better cooler than it would have been with a worse cooler.

edit
This is all assuming that the aftermarket cooler isn't a piece of crap that does a worse job than the factory unit lol

Let me break it down for the thick twats... Processor emits 90w of heat, good hsf keeps processor at 50c ,bad hsf keeps processor at 70c ..... Guess what? 90w heat still getting dumped in the room, are people really this dumb??

dorsetknob · Feb 12, 2017

You made a mistake with your numbers hope you not one of the embarrassed ?%

NdMk2o1o said:
Let me break it down for the thick twats... Processor emits 90w of heat, good hsf keeps processor at 50c ,bad hsf keeps processor at 70c ..... Guess what? 90w heat still getting dumped in the room, are people really this dumb??

Sorry but i had to

^^^ and yes your right

Mussels · Feb 12, 2017

i saw that typo, cant mod edit this forum section or i would have saved him the embarassment.

still, he's 100% correct.

Vulcansheart · Feb 13, 2017

NdMk2o1o said:
Let me break it down for the thick twats... Processor emits 90w of heat, good hsf keeps processor at 50c ,bad hsf keeps processor at 70c ..... Guess what? 90c heat still getting dumped in the room, are people really this dumb??

Is name calling really necessary in this discussion? Has the thought crossed your mind that you've overlooked a CRUCIAL piece of this equation? I'll give you a hint: the room temperature is raising at a varying rate. It doesn't instantaneously warm up the moment the PC is powered on. The rate that the room warms is directly effected by the efficiency of the CPU cooler.

I've made a pretty little chart so you can all follow along.

Who the eff cares what the final room temperature is going to be? It could take 24, 48 or 1000 hours to reach it's maximum temperature. What I am arguing, and have been arguing since my first reply, is that at ANY given time interval between 0 and X hours, the room will be warmer with the aftermarket cooler. Yes, the final temps will be the same, but again, who the eff cares about the final room temp if you've been sitting in a hot room for the past 4 days?? This chart satisfies the holy need for energy conservation, which I don't know why keeps coming up in the first place, since energy is CONSTANTLY being introduced into the system via the AC current pumping into the PC, but let's just ignore that for argument's sake.

Now, what part of the below chart do you disagree with?

Mussels · Feb 13, 2017

if you're gunna do graphs, do it empirically with data results and proper plot graphing.

Melvis · Feb 13, 2017

DRDNA said:
So what you meant to say was you and your brothers social experiment to prove the contagiousness of information misrepresentation is so contagious even TPU user base could be infected.
Well done on a very successful social experiment and delivery of such infection!
It seems as of right now there is 1/10 of an spread of misinformation rate.

Your very welcome and this is exactly what I wanted to see, a good debate, ideas etc been thrown around, went even better then I expected actually so im very happy with how this thread is or has turned out

The more brains involved the better the debate is, I thank everyone so far for there input, its been good to read. :lovetpu:

eidairaman1 · Feb 13, 2017

if this is such a big effin deal maybe it would be a good investment to get one of these

https://www.amazon.com/portable-air-conditioners/b?node=1193678&tag=tec06d-20

Mussels · Feb 13, 2017

eidairaman1 said:
if this is such a big effin deal maybe it would be a good investment to get one of these

https://www.amazon.com/portable-air-conditioners/b?node=1193678&tag=tec06d-20

and then not run the exhaust hose outside, because denial over powers science

eidairaman1 · Feb 13, 2017

Mussels said:
and then not run the exhaust hose outside, because denial over powers science

had one in an office and never had it vented outside, it ran just fine lol then again the exhaust was where the cooling came from lol

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