X.M.P effect CPU Temps Solution?

[Deleted member 67555]

I have an MSI z370 Gaming M5.
This issue affects lots of boards... Seems like Gigabyte boards are hit the hardest..
Not sure why XMP went crazy with Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake... And it really seems like an easy fix but it's been going on for about a year now.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

Thanks guys for try to help me



Guys what is this???
A joke? I try 1.395v to stable still im not sure it will be stable cause
It crashed 1.390v
Plese take a look and
please explain cause i have z270f can't stable my cpu is Delid

it is possible that your 7700k is not capable of 5 GHz.

 

[Space Lynx]

I have an MSI z370 Gaming M5.
This issue affects lots of boards... Seems like Gigabyte boards are hit the hardest..
Not sure why XMP went crazy with Kaby Lake and Coffee Lake... And it really seems like an easy fix but it's been going on for about a year now.

I did not know this, I have been struggling on MSI Z370 SLI Plus or ASROCK Extreme4 mobo, and it looks like Extreme4 has better VRM temps, so I think I am going to go with that but I read it has a ton of issues with XMP... people set it all manually, but I am not sure how, 14-14-14-31, i just type that in the right area? and do 1.35v like it says on box thats default... thats it thats all i have to change? i don't even try XMP? what about the other values that change with XMP in that long list of values I see when I click on RAM OC in BIOS...

sigh...

 

[Deleted member 67555]

I did not know this, I have been struggling on MSI Z370 SLI Plus or ASROCK Extreme4 mobo, and it looks like Extreme4 has better VRM temps, so I think I am going to go with that but I read it has a ton of issues with XMP... people set it all manually, but I am not sure how, 14-14-14-31, i just type that in the right area? and do 1.35v like it says on box thats default... thats it thats all i have to change? i don't even try XMP? what about the other values that change with XMP in that long list of values I see when I click on RAM OC in BIOS...

sigh...

It's not that simple.
But it is.
On MSI I start with their "Try it" memory profile for the speed I'm looking for then yeah, I go into the memory tab in the BIOS and try the timings listed in the memory leaving other settings in auto for later adjustment.
If I wasn't on MSI I would simply select the memory ratio/multiplier or however it's listed and set it with the timings on the memory along with the voltage...
From there it's a matter of fine tuning

 

[Januka.OC]

This is like a cancer no cure able to fix this..
I think 1.410v stable 5Ghz is it too much?

 

[OneMoar]

I would't run more then 1.350v though any recent intel chip for 24/7

 

[Januka.OC]

I'm tired of this shit!!!

No solution found.....

Overclocking is sucks,
it's better next time we buy something with No Overclocking capabilities and undervolt the cpu, then we have good lifespan. The technology we using is still under development... No PROPER Technology is exist...

If they are PROPER Release,
every CPU and Motherboard should be same don't you think that?

We are still in middle of nowhere technology situation, that's why this kind of shit happens.

But You guys try to help me anyway and i appreciate that guys...
Thanks a lot....

 

[Toothless]

You're saying it sucks because you can't get 5ghz for your e-peen when every chip is different and there really is no way to make each chip identical.

Nice.

 

[Januka.OC]

You're saying it sucks because you can't get 5ghz for your e-peen when every chip is different and there really is no way to make each chip identical.

Nice.

There's always a way to make each chip identical but currunt technology isn't capable for it that's why.

Example INTEL can put some Good Liquid Metal inside the chip but they don't.
That's why we have to risk and Delid our chip. If they are pretty good what they doing they can do better then that.

That's why I told you technology is still uder development we are testing BETA that's why some gets better results, some gets worse results. If its PROPER we have all gets better results...


Hope in the future they do something about it...

Hey bro i don't want to argue with you.
but understand this.

Everything is possible but the problem is
We don't know it yet.

in 1960 who thought we have SMARTPHONE in the Future? See when that times no one know cause they don't know it. Still smart phones heat like iron. But no cooling system for it. maybe in near future some guys put some cooling for it. And solved that too.

Intel can do better then this.
but they don't..

 

[FordGT90Concept]

No, there really isn't. No two chips are identical. In GPUs, they measure ASIC quality (believe it is imprinted into the card VBIOS), thread here:
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/post-your-gpus-asic-quality.189077/

CPUs don't get the same treatment but the same theory applies.

You may have a chip with less volt leakage which means it can run cooler but it can't overclock as far. It's just the way it is.

 

[BiggieShady]

No solution found.....

To minimize temps, why not try how much you can down-volt with negative offset and run stock clocks ... then go from there gradually increasing multiplier and reducing the negative offset.

 

[Januka.OC]

To minimize temps, why not try how much you can down-volt with negative offset and run stock clocks ... then go from there gradually increasing multiplier and reducing the negative offset.

I manage temps under 80c but atill no stable on 5Ghz and I don't like to use AVX offset its down clock i try it onec, and its always at AVX when i use AVX so i though not to use it. And i do some research.
Lots of i7 7700k able to hit 5Ghz in bios voltage required 1.35v - 1.385v mine stable sometimes 1.385 but sometimes not i don't understand that. I always try to Benchmark with Realbench Multitasking. sometime it go 10 times sometimes it go 8 times and stuck. if i pass 20 times on Realbench,
then i start stress test on Realbench 8h.
but still I'm not there yet. 1.4v too much i try 1.395v but no stable with X.M.P

And im tired for trying this its been weeks

 

[Toothless]

So your chip can't do 5ghz, that's it. That's literally all it is.

 

[BiggieShady]

i don't understand that

You may have voltage spikes you can't measure via sensors, watch this video and set your load line calibration accordingly:

 

[Januka.OC]

BiggieShady

Hi, this video explains very helpful i think i can hit 5Ghz above 1.45v with LLC 4 or 5

There's is ome other thing.
which one i have to use for core /Cache voltage?

* Manual
* adaptive?

and there is an option call
**CPU SVID Support** should i disable this or leave it AUTI?
It says recommended for Overclocking.
and if i disabled it, it also disabled Vcore Adaptive mode.

Please explain

I will post my BIOS Settings once i able to stable on 5Ghz.

once i stable i will post my BIOS Settings and i need you guys to correct my BIOS if i do wrong so i hope you guys help me

 

[BiggieShady]

with LLC 4 or 5

Video explains that you shouldn't use that high LLC ... use low level LLC, down volt your cpu at stock using voltage offset as far as it goes ... then move upwards from there
When overclocking I like it when cpu is idle that voltage is <0.9V and that it jumps to 1.24V only on load (in my case with my cooling) ... that would mean leaving 'adaptive vcore' on, because voltage offset works only in that mode i think. Not sure with that board and chipset, someone else should confirm what 'adaptive vcore' means.

 

[Januka.OC]

Yes i have asus strix board and it has LLC 1-7 so i think 4/5 ia fine like that video showed me.
So now im try it with Adaptive Voltage.
Let's hope this works.

Hi im back. I have run 1.3v 5Ghz
I never use Adaptive on vcore in bios.
I always try to do it with manual

I think i can stable under 1.35v

Still testing.

Adaptive mode and LLC changes the voltage problem.

When im done I'll post where i stable.
And all bios settings.

 

[EarthDog]

Only read first post...

Chances are enabling xmp profile added System Voltage and I/O.

Edit:

...voltage for the IMC as well as the VCCIO, VCCSA

those are the main IMC voltages.

 

[Januka.OC]

I think i have stable 5Ghz
but i need your help.
cause i have problem please someone tell me this is right or wrong?

My BIOS Settings.
*XMP on
*Multicore Enhancement: Disabled.
*Core Ratio Sync and set to 50
*Core Cache freq 4.70Ghz
*LLC 4
*VRM Spread Spectrum Disabled.
*Active Frequency Mode Disabled.
*FCLK 1Ghz
*Adaptive Mode: 1.335v

# All other bios settings are BIOS Default.

CPU-Z under full load Show
1.392v Most of the times.
1.408v Sometimes.
1.424v Just for second.

Realbench while running this section,
multitasking 1.392V no changes.

but openCL + Image Editing 1.408V and sometimes 1.424v come and go just for seconds.

but Intel XTU monitoring show me
Core Voltage 1.410v between 1.420v its moving.

I run all 4 section for 10 times with this BIOS setting still running no issue found.

Please help me..

1.335v Crashed, now i try with 1.345v

 

[Deleted member 67555]

I think i have stable 5Ghz
but i need your help.
cause i have problem please someone tell me this is right or wrong?

My BIOS Settings.
*XMP on
*Multicore Enhancement: Disabled.
*Core Ratio Sync and set to 50
*Core Cache freq 4.70Ghz
*LLC 4
*VRM Spread Spectrum Disabled.
*Active Frequency Mode Disabled.
*FCLK 1Ghz
*Adaptive Mode: 1.335v

# All other bios settings are BIOS Default.

CPU-Z under full load Show
1.392v Most of the times.
1.408v Sometimes.
1.424v Just for second.

Realbench while running this section,
multitasking 1.392V no changes.

but openCL + Image Editing 1.408V and sometimes 1.424v come and go just for seconds.

but Intel XTU monitoring show me
Core Voltage 1.410v between 1.420v its moving.

I run all 4 section for 10 times with this BIOS setting still running no issue found.

Please help me..

You're going to have to go per core and find the max per each core... Just a guess but you likely have 3 really good cores and one that while good isn't as good as the rest..

 

[Januka.OC]

Now Most of the times 1.408 and sometimes 1.424, for second 1.444 and XTU Show Core Voltage 1,420 Btw 1.428 most time it's 1.420-1.423 any idea what should I do? Is this is usual? Help please

 

[Deleted member 67555]

First...relax..enjoy your machine and worry less about numbers that might not even mean anything.
You have time.
Go to stock speeds and voltage.
Find what each core turbo is capable of at stock voltage.
Only do one core at a time...
After you figure out what each core can do try applying those settings to each core.
Take your time...
I have my overclock somewhat figured out but I won't know for sure until I spend months gaming and whatnot.

 

[Januka.OC]

jmcslob

Hi bro why i need to check per core?
Now im stable at Adaptive 1.345v
I run Realbench All 4 Benchmark at 10 times no error.
But the thing is that voltage on CPU Z and XTU why they show me 1.408 - 1.424 volt? It is dangerous for my cpu please tell me?

Now im try to check with 1.340v

Any thoughts???

 

[EarthDog]

What's with the bold typing and quoting yourself and oddly cutting off the post of those you quoted???? No need for that, lol! So hard to follow!

Thoughts? Play the game. Figure out the lowest voltage stable for your clockspeed. That is how overclocking works. We can't tell you what to set it to.

As far as per core, I have no idea why anyone would do that honestly.... seems like a waste of time to me. I run all cores at the same clock, which I expect many do.

 

[Januka.OC]

What's with the bold typing and quoting yourself and oddly cutting off the post of those you quoted???? No need for that, lol! So hard to follow!

Thoughts? Play the game. Figure out the lowest voltage stable for your clockspeed. That is how overclocking works. We can't tell you what to set it to.

As far as per core, I have no idea why anyone would do that honestly.... seems like a waste of time to me. I run all cores at the same clock, which I expect many do.

My problem is CPU-Z and XTU Show me High Voltage why do you know?

Yes per core check is waste of time i know that's why i ask.

Can you tell me that voltage problem ehy they show? in bios adaptive 1.345v
Now im try with 1.340v hope stable.