Friday, September 25th 2020

MonsterLabo Announces The Beast

MonsterLabo, a maker of fanless PC cases, today announced its latest creation - The Beast. Featuring a design made from glass and 6 mm thick aluminium, the ATX case is resembling a design we usually could see only from the folks like InWin. The whole chassis is actually made up of two 3 KG aluminium heatsinks that feature ten 6 mm copper heat pipes each. All of this is used for heat dissipation and the case can accommodate up to 400 W of TDP in passive mode. When two 140 mm fans, running at 500 rpm, are added the case can cool more than 500 W of TDP. The Beast measures at 450 mm (L) x 380 mm (W) x 210 mm (H), making it for one large and heavy case. It supports graphics cards up to 290 mm in PCB length and is fully capable of supporting the latest NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 series "Ampere" graphics cards. Pre-orders for The Beast are starting onOctober 9th, with an unknown pricing. You can expect it to be a high premium over 349 EUR price of The First case. Pre-orders will be shipping in Q1 2021.
Source: FanlessTech
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34 Comments on MonsterLabo Announces The Beast

#1
Vya Domus
It supports graphics cards up to 290 mm in length and is fully capable of supporting the latest NVIDIA GeForce RTX 30 series "Ampere" graphics cards.
Yeah, it may fit but that's about it. :laugh:
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#4
Anymal
tiggerfugly
Hence the beast.
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#5
Chrispy_
Haha, I've seen it all now!

The tempered glass blight has now infected radiators.

Glass is one of the best insulators there is, and it's now being used for passive cooling LOL.
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#6
nikoya
Chrispy_Haha, I've seen it all now!

The tempered glass blight has now infected radiators.

Glass is one of the best insulators there is, and it's now being used for passive cooling LOL.
huge holes bottom and top. natural air flow.

Nice case I like it
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#7
maxitaxi96
I get the apeal but the last case from them had a problem with overheating vrms and memory on graphics cards.... I mean the RTX 3080 already has a hard time to keept the memory in check, so how will this overcome this problem? Do they offer any pcb-component-cooling?
Chrispy_Glass is one of the best insulators there is, and it's now being used for passive cooling LOL.
^And This
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#8
Unregistered
maxitaxi96I get the apeal but the last case from them had a problem with overheating vrms and memory on graphics cards.... I mean the RTX 3080 already has a hard time to keept the memory in check, so how will this overcome this problem? Do they offer any pcb-component-cooling?


^And This
The new 3 series Nvidia card need a custom loop, full block on for sure.
#9
Caring1
Might be a good case with a few fans thrown in ;)
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#10
chris.london
It’s only 36l and that is pretty much as small as it gets for ATX cases, so even though it is pretty heavy, I would definitely not call it large.
Aesthetics aside this is an interesting case. The location of processor sockets and graphics chips tend to change from board to board - I wonder how MonsterLabo dealt with that. A full review with lots of pictures would be nice.
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#11
TheDeeGee
Oh man, and they got the placement of the USB Ports right! That deserves a 11/10 alone.
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#12
AnarchoPrimitiv
This is such a strange coincidence, yesterday at work I was thinking about the prototype they made a little while back and wondered what they were up to.... Guess I have psychic powers.
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#13
AsRock
TPU addict
Caring1Might be a good case with a few fans thrown in ;)
Yeah and not glass lmao.
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#14
Tardian
With a PC case like this one having easily accessible dust filters is critical. I see no mention in the MonsterLabo site or this article.
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#15
Kohl Baas
Chrispy_Glass is one of the best insulators there is
WRONG! Glass has a better thermal conductivity than water. Air is one of the best insulators, that's why you use trapped air and other gasses between sheets of glass as insulation in windows.
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rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
I don’t understand. For heatsinks composed of heatpipes to work, they have to be drawing heat from one end. What are they going to attach to? That isn’t clear and is the one picture they should have supplied.

EDIT: I went to their site and the situation wasn’t any clearer.
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#17
Kohl Baas
rtwjunkieI don’t understand. For heatsinks composed of heatpipes to work, they have to be drawing heat from one end.
No, they don't. Most of the modern CPU coolers has U-shaped heatpipes drawing heat from the middle of the pipes uner or in the base.

EDIT: I'm not entirely sure what do you mean BTW. The case has 2 heatsinks both has the pipes' one end in the base and the other end in the heatsink. Not even a U-shaped configuration.
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#18
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
Kohl BaasNo, they don't. Most of the modern CPU coolers has U-shaped heatpipes drawing heat from the middle of the pipes uner or in the base.

EDIT: I'm not entirely sure what do you mean BTW. The case has 2 heatsinks both has the pipes' one end in the base and the other end in the heatsink. Not even a U-shaped configuration.
LOL, yes they DO. CPU heatsink is drawing heat from the base which is in contact with the source of heat. All heatsinks operate by drawing heat from one area into their array and then dispersing it. These case heatsinks are connected to nothing. The website is not even clear what they WOULD connect to.

A heatsink sitting in the open connected to nothing does nothing.
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#19
claes
The two heatsinks mount to a CPU and GPU... I think the website is pretty clear about that (and thermal capacity).
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#20
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
claesThe two heatsinks mount to a CPU and GPU... I think the website is pretty clear about that (and thermal capacity).
thank you, but obviously it’s not if I couldn’t find it.
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#21
Chrispy_
Kohl BaasWRONG! Glass has a better thermal conductivity than water. Air is one of the best insulators, that's why you use trapped air and other gasses between sheets of glass as insulation in windows.
Yeah, good luck building a PC case out of liquid or gas. I'm obviously talking about solids....
nikoyahuge holes bottom and top. natural air flow.

Nice case I like it
It's obviously a chimney design; that's not in question - the chimney design of this case would work no matter what the side panels were made of so that has no impact on the material choice.

I'm criticising the huge lost in conductive, heat-radiating surface area that the side panels normally perform. That's a non-trivial cooling mechanism being ignored in an era where 95W TDP actually means 200W and graphics cards are consuming 375W.
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#22
Tardian
Chrispy_Yeah, good luck building a PC case out of liquid or gas. I'm obviously talking about solids....


It's obviously a chimney design; that's not in question - the chimney design of this case would work no matter what the side panels were made of so that has no impact on the material choice.

I'm criticising the huge lost in conductive, heat-radiating surface area that the side panels normally perform. That's a non-trivial cooling mechanism being ignored in an era where 95W TDP actually means 200W and graphics cards are consuming 375W.
When I heard the best was heavy I assumed the sides would be made out of finned aluminum. The use of glass is a fashion thing and for people who like LED lighting. Those who want a high performance but quiet/silent case should choose other materials.
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#23
Chrispy_
TardianWhen I heard the best was heavy I assumed the sides would be made out of finned aluminum. The use of glass is a fashion thing and for people who like LED lighting. Those who want a high performance but quiet/silent case should choose other materials.
Oh yeah, it actually looks nice, with the glass to see the radiator, I'm just mocking how they advertise it specifically as cooling 30-series Nvidia cards, and leave an additional 150-200W of cooling potential on the table by going with glass vanity panels instead of additional finned alu side panels.

Maybe I'm not understanding the product here, but the 400W passive rating seems split equally between two separate fin stacks that connect via pipes to a plate - one for the CPU and one for the GPU. That means that this can handle a 200W CPU and a 200W GPU, passively, or "over 500W" which translates to "over 250W" for a GPU using a fan. How exactly is it going to cool a 3090, or even a 3080 for that matter, with only a 200W passive or 250W+ heatsink for the 375W card? They're short on cooling for the cards they claim, and they've hobbled the amount of heat the case can dissipate because of the glass.

If there's an asterisk next to the 30-series support that means it can fit a 3090 card in it, but can't cool a 3090 card using the case's own GPU heatpipes - then that's false advertising by my reckoning, and how they plan to passively cool the VRMs of a 3090 is something I'm looking forward to seeing tested. Additionally, if the card is permanently throttled by temperatures to, say, 300W instead of the 375W that the 3090 is tested as drawing, what's the point of even buying a 3090 in the first place, it's being crippled by the lack of cooling.

Don't get me wrong, I like MonsterLabo and think they make some of the nicest passive cases ever put to market, period. This, in my estimate, is pushing things a bit too far and glass is 100% not helping their cause here.
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#24
claes
www.monsterlabo.com/the-beast
Fanless configuration - Recommended Power
CPU: 150W GPU: 250W
Active configuration - Recommended Power (2x 140mm < 500 RPM)
CPU: 250W GPU: 320W
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#25
Valantar
Vya DomusYeah, it may fit but that's about it. :laugh:
Given that this case requires removing any stock cooler from your GPU, it should fit easily as long as you stick to a reasonable length PCB.
Chrispy_Haha, I've seen it all now!

The tempered glass blight has now infected radiators.

Glass is one of the best insulators there is, and it's now being used for passive cooling LOL.
Solid side panels are required to create a chimney effect for passive or low-rpm fan assisted cooling. The material of these panels is essentially irrelevant as long as it's reasonably smooth.
Caring1Might be a good case with a few fans thrown in ;)
As the news post states:
When two 140 mm fans, running at 500 rpm, are added the case can cool more than 500 W of TDP.
So yes, there are definitely provisions for fans. Though knowing the target audience for products like this, a lot of them will prefer lower end components and entirely fanless operation.
chris.londonIt’s only 36l and that is pretty much as small as it gets for ATX cases, so even though it is pretty heavy, I would definitely not call it large.
Aesthetics aside this is an interesting case. The location of processor sockets and graphics chips tend to change from board to board - I wonder how MonsterLabo dealt with that. A full review with lots of pictures would be nice.
If you look at the case, there's no standard rear I/O. All components are mounted "floating" inside of the case, with extensions used for all I/O. This renders socket placement more or less irrelevant, as you mount the motherboard where ever it ends up fitting onto the cold plate. I would guess there are some sort of adjustable support brackets to keep the boards in place (like the Streacom DA2?).
AnarchoPrimitivThis is such a strange coincidence, yesterday at work I was thinking about the prototype they made a little while back and wondered what they were up to.... Guess I have psychic powers.
They did launch an ITX case previously.
rtwjunkieI don’t understand. For heatsinks composed of heatpipes to work, they have to be drawing heat from one end. What are they going to attach to? That isn’t clear and is the one picture they should have supplied.

EDIT: I went to their site and the situation wasn’t any clearer.
Yes, and? There are clearly cold plates attached to both halves of the heatsinks. One fits onto your CPU, the other on the GPU (attached with a flexible riser cable). Nothing particularly special about this beyond the fact that both heatsinks are integrated into the case. Heck, even bog-standard boring ATX box cases use riser cables now for their (mostly stupid and poorly ventilated) vertical GPU mounts. This might be easier to grasp for those of us into dense SFF builds, but it really isn't an advanced concept.
Chrispy_Oh yeah, it actually looks nice, with the glass to see the radiator, I'm just mocking how they advertise it specifically as cooling 30-series Nvidia cards, and leave an additional 150-200W of cooling potential on the table by going with glass vanity panels instead of additional finned alu side panels.

Maybe I'm not understanding the product here, but the 400W passive rating seems split equally between two separate fin stacks that connect via pipes to a plate - one for the CPU and one for the GPU. That means that this can handle a 200W CPU and a 200W GPU, passively, or "over 500W" which translates to "over 250W" for a GPU using a fan. How exactly is it going to cool a 3090, or even a 3080 for that matter, with only a 200W passive or 250W+ heatsink for the 375W card? They're short on cooling for the cards they claim, and they've hobbled the amount of heat the case can dissipate because of the glass.

If there's an asterisk next to the 30-series support that means it can fit a 3090 card in it, but can't cool a 3090 card using the case's own GPU heatpipes - then that's false advertising by my reckoning, and how they plan to passively cool the VRMs of a 3090 is something I'm looking forward to seeing tested. Additionally, if the card is permanently throttled by temperatures to, say, 300W instead of the 375W that the 3090 is tested as drawing, what's the point of even buying a 3090 in the first place, it's being crippled by the lack of cooling.

Don't get me wrong, I like MonsterLabo and think they make some of the nicest passive cases ever put to market, period. This, in my estimate, is pushing things a bit too far and glass is 100% not helping their cause here.
You're significantly overestimating the efficacy of finned panels. After all, for those to cool more than a few watts of heat, they would need heat pipes connected to the cold plate contacting them. Otherwise you'd be relying on the hot air inside of the case heating up the panels and then the panels dissipating that heat, which is a horrendously inefficient process. Exhausting said hot air is much more efficient, and the additional cooling you would get "for free" with non-connected finned alu panels just replacing the glass here would make no difference whatsoever to component temperatures (and could hurt airflow in a fully passive configuration - hotter air rises faster, after all).

Now, let's think of the physical design of this. The case is clearly designed to have both the CPU and GPU oriented inwards, towards the inner heatsink, as both cold plates face outwards, one on each side. Any finned side panels would then need to connect around the component they're cooling (either GPU or motherboard) which would a) make for some really long heatpipes in the case of the motherboard (and long heatpipes aren't cheap!) b) limit motherboard support due to varying socket placements and VRM heatsinks inevitably making some motherboards foul the heatpipes, and c) making mounting the side panels entirely impossible. If the CPU and GPU both screw onto the inner heatsink from the back of the PCB, how would you get any sort of contact between any wraparound heatpipes and the side panel? You'd at the very least need several sets of notches on the inside of the side panels for the heatpipes to slot into, with visible screws on the outside to clamp things down, and even then you'd have an absolute nightmare in terms of actually getting the side panels on without applying significant force to your components. The chances of something breaking or a poor mount, if you could get the panels on at all, would be enormous.

Of course you could argue for designing a case without the internal heatsink and with finned panels instead, but ... that would be a completely different case. And one that already exists (well, it certainly looks like vaporware).

As for the cooling capacity, their site says 300W passively "per chip" (i.e. CPU and GPU, I guess), with more cooling capacity if you add the two optional 140mm top fans. So you won't be cooling a 3090 (and likely not a 3080 without throttling) passively, but pretty damn close. They have different, lower numbers for "recommended" passive cooling power, at 150W for the CPU and 250W for the GPU, which sounds like it would make more sense if you're looking for silence and decent temperatures. "Recommended" for active cooling (that's a <500rpm 140mm fan for each fin stack) is 250+320, though I'm guessing you can go higher if you speed up those fans some. As with any cooling solution of this nature, YMMV. As with all heatsinks, there's no magical "maximum cooling capacity" spec, it's all down to how you can and are willing to balance component thermals, airflow and noise. (There is of course a practical drop-off point where component thermals hit unsustainable levels no matter the airflow thrown at it, but that's likely high enough to not matter much here unless you're naïve enough to think you can overclock a 3080 or 3090 passively.)
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