Sunday, July 31st 2022

Intel Core i5-13600K and Core i7-13700K QS CPUs Benchmarked

Is there anything better than yet another benchmark leak of upcoming products? This time around we don't have to make do with Geekbench or some other useless benchmark, as a bilibili user in the PRC has posted a video where he has put the upcoming Intel Core i5-13600K and Core i7-13700K CPUs through 10 different games, plus 3DMark Fire Strike and Time Spy. This has been done at 1080p, 1440p and 2160p at that, using a GeForce RTX 3090 Ti graphics card. Both CPUs are QS or Qualification Samples, which means they're going to be close to identical to retail chips, unless there are some last minute issues that are discovered. The CPUs were tested using an ASRock Z690 Steel Legends WiFi 6E motherboard, well, two actually, as both a DDR4 and a DDR5 version were used. The DDR4 RAM was running at 3600 MHz with slow-ish timings of 18-22-22 in gear 1, whereas the DDR5 memory was running at 5200 MHz, most likely at 40-40-40 timings, although the modules were rated for 6400 MHz, in both cases we're looking at 32 GB.

Courtesy of @harukaze5719, we have some much easier to read graphs than those provided by the person that tested the two CPUs, but we've included the full graphs below as well. Each CPU was compared to its current SKU equivalent from Intel and in many of the games tested, the gain was a mere percent or less to three or four percent. However, in some games—at specific resolutions—especially when paired with DDR5 memory, the performance gain was as much as 15-20 percent. A few of the games tested, such as FarCry 6 at 4K, the game ends up being GPU limited, so a faster CPU doesn't help here as you'll see in the graphs below. There are some odd results as well, where the DDR5 equipped systems saw a regression in performance, so it's hard to draw any final conclusions from this test. That said, both CPUs should offer a decent performance gain, as long as the game in question isn't GPU limited, of around five percent at 1440p when paired with DDR5 memory.
Sources: bilibili video, bilibili graphs, @harukaze5719 graphs
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84 Comments on Intel Core i5-13600K and Core i7-13700K QS CPUs Benchmarked

#1
docnorth
I’m repeating myself, but 13700k should be also compared to 12900k, it’s more or less the same chip and maybe the best way to directly compare AD vs RL. There is some information that 13700k @5400 MHz consumes the same with 12900k @5200 MHz, we’ll see if that means something or not.
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#2
Why_Me
Is it the latency that's gimping the DDR5?
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#3
TheLostSwede
News Editor
Why_MeIs it the latency that's gimping the DDR5?
How so? The DDR5 systems are the fastest ones overall.
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#4
dj-electric
docnorthI’m repeating myself, but 13700k should be also compared to 12900k, it’s more or less the same chip and maybe the best way to directly compare AD vs RL. There is some information that 13700k @5400 MHz consumes the same with 12900k @5200 MHz, we’ll see if that means something or not.
This is not a 1:1 identical architecture, though. Cores seen a cache bump, quite a significant one actually.
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#5
Why_Me
TheLostSwedeHow so? The DDR5 systems are the fastest ones overall.
NVM .. I read the graphs wrong. =/
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#6
Berfs1
I genuinely wonder if these CPUs get posted to UserBenchmark, what will they say about the performance? Is it too much to be real?
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#7
Why_Me
Berfs1I genuinely wonder if these CPUs get posted to UserBenchmark, what will they say about the performance? Is it too much to be real?
I take all these pre release leaks with a grain of salt but on another site someone posted this: 'Ryzen 5 7600X Beats i9-12900K by 22% in New Single-Core Benchmarks' with the results. If there's any truth to either of these leaks then this is going to be a dog fight between Intel and AMD.
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#8
fancucker
Doesn't bode too well for Zen 4, and its guaranteed to be available and functional without AGESA tinkering. The budget options will leave no room for AMD.
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#9
Dr. Dro
Berfs1I genuinely wonder if these CPUs get posted to UserBenchmark, what will they say about the performance? Is it too much to be real?
From Userbarkmench, only praise for daddy Intel, aka the complete opposite of this:



But if you think the senseless anti-AMD vitriol was over, think again, today the "Advanced Marketing Devices 7600X" page was updated yet again with even more drivel after AMD surpassed Intel in total market capitalization:



It's hilarious and it pains me deeply to see anyone still using this website to measure performance with a straight face, it's basically rating PC's against whatever favoritism its author is supporting at the moment. Not to mention there is zero security and all of their user credentials are stored in plaintext.
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#10
fevgatos
fancuckerDoesn't bode too well for Zen 4, and its guaranteed to be available and functional without AGESA tinkering. The budget options will leave no room for AMD.
Τhe 7950x will be pretty decent. The rest of the lineup yeah, it's going to be shockingly behind in every metric.
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#11
docnorth
dj-electricThis is not a 1:1 identical architecture, though. Cores seen a cache bump, quite a significant one actually.
Indeed, but it’s the best we have at the moment for comparison.
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#12
Dr. Dro
fevgatosΤhe 7950x will be pretty decent. The rest of the lineup yeah, it's going to be shockingly behind in every metric.
It's too early to tell, but I don't think Zen 4 will be behind. My take on it is that each architecture will have its own strengths, and both will be great in their own right. We will have to wait and see, W1zzard will not let us down :)
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#13
InVasMani
Article says DDR 5200 charts are saying DDR 5600. I'm not saying you made a typo, but the charts are wrong! ;) Or not...I guess there is another set of charts in the fine print full article sneaky sneaky.
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#14
fevgatos
Dr. DroIt's too early to tell, but I don't think Zen 4 will be behind. My take on it is that each architecture will have its own strengths, and both will be great in their own right. We will have to wait and see, W1zzard will not let us down :)
I think it's impossible for AMD to compete in MT performance in the lower segments. The 7600x will struggle against the 12600k, competing against the 13600k is completely out of the question. The 7800x is going to be sandwiched between the 12600k and the 13600k, and unless AMD decides to lower the prices compared to zen 3, it will be considerably more expensive, since I don't expect the 13600k to be above 350.
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#15
Why_Me
fevgatosI think it's impossible for AMD to compete in MT performance in the lower segments. The 7600x will struggle against the 12600k, competing against the 13600k is completely out of the question. The 7800x is going to be sandwiched between the 12600k and the 13600k, and unless AMD decides to lower the prices compared to zen 3, it will be considerably more expensive, since I don't expect the 13600k to be above 350.
Where AMD is going to take the biggest hit imo is the DDR4 budget builds. Intel is going to own that market until DDR5 comes down in price.
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#16
Dr. Dro
fevgatosI think it's impossible for AMD to compete in MT performance in the lower segments. The 7600x will struggle against the 12600k, competing against the 13600k is completely out of the question. The 7800x is going to be sandwiched between the 12600k and the 13600k, and unless AMD decides to lower the prices compared to zen 3, it will be considerably more expensive, since I don't expect the 13600k to be above 350.
I'm not entirely sure how useful are E-cores to the performance segment parts (eg. i5) anyway; most of these buyers want a smooth gaming experience and a relatively snappy desktop experience, and any fairly modern 6-core, 12-thread processor is perfectly capable of providing this, for example, if you did a blind test with my laptop's 5600H and my desktop's 5950X processor, asking them what machine is running what, chances are the end user would never know which is which - because I sure cannot tell until i'm actually running more things than anyone sane would :)

If AMD provides a great experience in those fronts and the prices are fair, this will be a commercially successful processor, even if it loses to the i5-13600K on Cinebench; I doubt many Cinema 4D users buy Core i5 processors to do serious work.
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#17
fevgatos
Dr. DroI'm not entirely sure how useful are E-cores to the performance segment parts (eg. i5) anyway; most of these buyers want a smooth gaming experience and a relatively snappy desktop experience, and any fairly modern 6-core, 12-thread processor is perfectly capable of providing this, for example, if you did a blind test with my laptop's 5600H and my desktop's 5950X processor, asking them what machine is running what, chances are the end user would never know which is which - because I sure cannot tell until i'm actually running more things than anyone sane would :)

If AMD provides a great experience in those fronts and the prices are fair, this will be a commercially successful processor, even if it loses to the i5-13600K on Cinebench; I doubt many Cinema 4D users buy Core i5 processors to do serious work.
Well sure a modern 6/12 is enough, but intel has the luxury to offer that for way cheaper than amd. A 13400 model or something of that sort will undercut amd for those entry level 6/12 builders I don't think we will be seeing any R3 models either.
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#18
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Just to be stuffed in notebooks which thermally and power throttle.
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#19
Veseleil
Seeing there are people that already predicted future in the next few years, I have a question. Should i sell all of my electronics while it's still worth something before the WW3? Thanks in advance.
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#20
phanbuey
VeseleiloSeeing there are people that already predicted future in the next few years, I have a question. Should i sell all of my electronics while it's still worth something before the WW3? Thanks in advance.
What are you going to game on in the bunker?
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#21
Veseleil
phanbueyWhat are you going to game on in the bunker?
Nah, I'm off to the mountains. Much more interesting things to do than games.
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#22
thegnome
For a new P core with much more cache, this really looks more like an increase from a clockspeed/power usage jump rather than the core itself.
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#23
LuxZg
fevgatosWell sure a modern 6/12 is enough, but intel has the luxury to offer that for way cheaper than amd. A 13400 model or something of that sort will undercut amd for those entry level 6/12 builders I don't think we will be seeing any R3 models either.
Don't forget Intel announced 20% price increase for just before launch.

We are all really just guessing. Even Intel and AMD are guessing (the other side's strategy).

I call and even fight, both in benches, and in price/perf. Both sides will have wins and losses. So it's down to marketing and adjusting prices

IMHO, if it ends up like that, it's actually good for everyone. (And I'll probably go for AMD just betting in AM5 longevity)

Edit: One thing Intel will obviously keep doing worse is power efficiency. But 80% ppl or more will just ignore it because it's desktop
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#24
Tek-Check
It's interesting how DDR5 does not seem to make a significant difference comparing to DDR4, in a big picture. Why is this?
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#25
Palladium
phanbueyWhat are you going to game on in the bunker?
in that case you would be a billionaire anyway and should be more worried about your guards murdering you when you least expect.
LuxZgDon't forget Intel announced 20% price increase for just before launch.

We are all really just guessing. Even Intel and AMD are guessing (the other side's strategy).

I call and even fight, both in benches, and in price/perf. Both sides will have wins and losses. So it's down to marketing and adjusting prices

IMHO, if it ends up like that, it's actually good for everyone. (And I'll probably go for AMD just betting in AM5 longevity)

Edit: One thing Intel will obviously keep doing worse is power efficiency. But 80% ppl or more will just ignore it because it's desktop
I don't really care since I very doubt any of their new offerings will even reach the overall/$ levels of my $150 (now $140) 5600 non-X.
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