Saturday, May 30th 2009

Intel to Cannibalize Core i7 920 / 940

Prepare to bid farewell to the $400 Core i7 upgrade dream. Chip major Intel is reportedly planning to discontinue some of the relatively affordable Core i7 processors, including the most commercially successful model, the 920. Cannibalizing the Core i7 920 and 940, will create market headroom for the company's upcoming Core i5 "Lynnfield" processors. Internal analysis reportedly show that the high-end Lynnfield processors perform too close to the lower models of Core i7, and that could potentially affect sales of those high-end Core i5 chips. Perhaps Intel is trying to oil the segment to make the most profits. Sources at motherboard manufacturers tell that the companies are already working on adjusting their X58 product lines to cater to the future lines of Core i7 processors, which, may start with the $649 Core i7 950 and beyond. What's more, 950 is expected to get the axe later down the line. It may have certainly been a good couple of quarters for you, saving for triple channel memory, true dual PCI-E x16 motherboards, and the elusive Core i7 920. You may want to execute your plans now, or change them.
Source: bit-tech.net
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175 Comments on Intel to Cannibalize Core i7 920 / 940

#26
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Black HadesHmm I WAS presuming that i7's LGA 1366 is going to (eventually) be the next 775... I'm sure I wasn't the only one thinking this.
Market | Old Package | New Package | Brands
Mobile | mPGA 478 | mPGA-989 | TBA
Desktop | LGA-775 | LGA-1156 | Core i5
Workstation/Server | LGA-771 | LGA-1366 | Core i7/Xeon
Server | PGA-604 | LGA-1567 | Xeon


I expect these new packages to stick around for at least four years:
Tick-Tock | Codename | Process | Technology
Tick | Nehalem | 45nm | Netburst
Tock | Westmere | 32nm | Netburst
Tick | Sandy Bridge | 32nm | P6
Tock | ??? | 22nm? | P6
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#27
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
jamesrt2004Just get the equivalent Xeon's..
Sure, only $999 for Xeon X5550 (2.66 GHz, 8 MB L3, HTT (equivalent specs to i7 920)). You'd rather spend $650 on the i7 950.
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#28
mudkip
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#29
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
not hoax
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#30
mudkip
btarunrnot hoax
prove me wrong , if the info doesn't come from intel itself it's just a hoax trying to make people buy an i7
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#31
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
mudkipprove me wrong , if the info doesn't come from intel itself it's just a hoax trying to make people buy an i7
I have a source to cite. I don't need any more proof. Of course Intel won't tell you it's discontinuing two of its chips months in advance, just as it doesn't officially tell anything about the chips that are slated for months later.
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#32
MTnumb
Black HadesWithout going in the details, don't forget that i7 > i5 and also more future proof as a platform. So your HD5870X2 analogy is a bit faulty. LGA 1156 shouldn't be at all, that's my opinion. What intel seems to be doing is artificially keeping a high price for the i7 by inserting a new marked segment.
i5 would only make sense for me as a consumer if it would replace the core 2 duo/quad price range.
Maybe in a year's time i7 will be affordable and you'l be sorry for ever buying a i5...
i can't seem to understand how having triple channel and a QPI makes a platform more future proof. or better put. what makes I5 not-future-proof? the HD5870X2 analogy is indeed faulty but its the only thing i had on my mind when i written the post. and you are 100% about the artificial pricing but that was the plan all along. I7 = super high end, I5 = mid range.
i recommend you read the article over at anandtech and see where im coming from. the lowest performing I5, crippled by a low turbo mode perform very much like the 920. the more expensive version is even faster and has HT. this will perform better then the 920 at the same price but remember... the P55 costs the same as the P45. and dual channel DDR3 is also cheaper then triple channel. so for the same performance you get a platform that costs 200$ less then the 920.
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#33
madrooster
btarunrSure, only $999 for Xeon X5550 (2.66 GHz, 8 MB L3, HTT (equivalent specs to i7 920)). You'd rather spend $650 on the i7 950.
Er.. W3520 = i7 920. W3540 = i7 940.
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#34
Weer
madroosterEr.. W3520 = i7 920. W3540 = i7 940.
Where did these come from? Can I run them in a dual-socket motherboard?

Only one link.. I guess not. So these are for servers that only have a single socket.. what's the point?
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#35
HaZe303
This sux for us current i7 owners, what am I gonna do if my 920 breaks??? Im a poor builder, I have never paid more than 400$ for a cpu, and Im not going to start either!? This is truely a low move by Intel. Instead of making me buy higher priced i7 cpu´s in the future, I might go over to the green team instead? Atleast AMD have cheap prices.

I kind of feel duped by Intel, here I have bought me expensive 3 channel ddr3 memory, a expensive gigabyte board, and now if I want to keep this system future proof Intel is forcing me to expensive CPU´s as well?? What a stupid move!
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#36
TheMailMan78
Big Member
Ok the i5 is going to replace the i7? I thought the i5 was a "lesser" version of the i7. Man if the i5 is meant to replace the i7 its a marketing failure.
HaZe303This sux for us current i7 owners, what am I gonna do if my 920 breaks??? Im a poor builder, I have never paid more than 400$ for a cpu, and Im not going to start either!?!
Simple. Go AMD.
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#37
madrooster
WeerWhere did these come from? Can I run them in a dual-socket motherboard?

Only one link.. I guess not. So these are for servers that only have a single socket.. what's the point?
They are higher binned for lower power consumption (and better overclocking).

Exactly like the X3320/30/50/60/70 series of Xeons (they were Q9xxx equivalents).
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#38
HaZe303
TheMailMan78Simple. Go AMD.
Didnt I just say that?? :)
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#39
TheMailMan78
Big Member
Can someone tell me why the i5 isn't called the i8? I mean the i5 should be faster no?
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#40
madrooster
The fact the 950 is out, maybe there will be a 930 (2.8GHz maybe) too.

Otherwise effectively Intel has stopped those who can't afford an extreme edition CPU, from upgrading CPUs.

Looking at the rumoured Lynnfield speeds, the $284 one will supposedly be 2.8GHz, it would make sense either for:

1. There be a i7 930 to match the 2.8GHz Lynnfield
2. The 2.8GHz $284 Lynnfield isn't true, but is actually 1 speed bin lower (2.66GHz) - like how the 2.93GHz $584 Lynnfield, is 1 speed bin lower than the equivalently priced i7 950 at 3.06GHz. This would then mean the entry level Lynnfield would have to be either 2.4 or 2.53GHz to keep the differences roughly the same.
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#41
HaZe303
TheMailMan78Can someone tell me why the i5 isn't called the i8? I mean the i5 should be faster no?
No because i5 is the lower end segment of this newer architecture.
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#42
TheMailMan78
Big Member
HaZe303No because i5 is the lower end segment of this newer architecture.
Then why is it replacing the i7 if its lower?
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#43
Gam'ster
I always thought a cross-platform ability was a good thing, Although Im kepping an eye on the I5 as details emerge.
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#44
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
WeerWhere did these come from? Can I run them in a dual-socket motherboard?

Only one link.. I guess not. So these are for servers that only have a single socket.. what's the point?
They are workstation CPU's and I think they can do dual socket but definately not sure about that.
TheMailMan78Then why is it replacing the i7 if its lower?
It's not replacing. They are removing the 920 at its price point so they can use the i5's at that price.
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#45
madrooster
DrPepperThey are workstation CPU's and I think they can do dual socket but definately not sure about that.
They can't, they are UP Xeons aka Uni Processor. One only.
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#46
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
madroosterThey can't, they are UP Xeons aka Uni Processor. One only.
I wasn't sure thanks for clearing that up.
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#47
grunt_408
Darn it when I done my last build i7 was just out of my grasp, due to needing to change ram cpu and mobo it was'nt realistic at the time so I went c2d. Far-q intel why did you do this to me :p
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#48
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
CraigleberryDarn it when I done my last build i7 was just out of my grasp, due to needing to change ram cpu and mobo it was'nt realistic at the time so I went c2d. Far-q intel why did you do this to me :p
Just buy a cpu and wait till you get a mobo :p
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#49
TheMailMan78
Big Member
DrPepperIt's not replacing. They are removing the 920 at its price point so they can use the i5's at that price.
Ok I guess my reading comprehension was off then :laugh: I read it a few time but it just didn't make sense and the posts that followed confused me more.

<<(Holds his AM2+ board tight.)

Anyway I feel for the people that bought i7 right now. Still I think calling it an i5 is a bad idea. I think Intel and AMD should take up the naming schemes as car manufactures do. Think about it. i7GT for the enthusiast version etc, etc.
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#50
qwerty_lesh
Kinda gald now that I have a 920. It makes some sense why Intel would be doing this, since they have already had to delay the i5 release dates because of parner excess iventory (does that make sense??).
But what sucks is I wont be able to pay about the same price as i did for my 920 to get a better CPU, i'll have to in future look at paying a silly amount for a processing improvement.
Oh HaZe303, guess what happens if our 920's break and theres no inventory for them anymore, Free upgrade much?? :D
there are some upsides for existing owners, but theres no upside for those planning on going i7 and have not done so yet.
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