Friday, November 19th 2010

NVIDIA Readying Dual-GF110 Graphics Accelerator, Eying Total Performance Leadership

NVIDIA stunned the computing world with a speedy launch of the GeForce GTX 580. The GPU was able to increase NVIDIA's single-GPU performance leadership, and also iron-out some serious issues with the power-draw and thermal characteristics of previous generation GeForce GTX 480. It is now that a dual-GPU implementation of the GF110 graphics processor, on which the GTX 580 is based, looks inevitable. NVIDIA seems to be ready with a prototype of such a dual-GPU accelerator, which the Chinese media is referring to as the "GTX 595".

The reference design PCB of the dual-GF110 accelerator (which still needs some components fitted) reveals quite a lot about the card taking shape. First, it's a single PCB card, both the GPU systems are located on the same PCB. Second, there are slots for three DVI output connectors present, indicating that the card with be 3D Vision Surround ready in a single card. You just have to get one of these, plug in three displays over standard DVI, and you're ready with a large display head spanning three physical displays.
Third, it could feature a total of 3 GB of video memory (or 1.5 GB per GPU system). Each GPU system has six memory chips on the obverse side of the PCB. At this point we can't comment on the memory bus width of each GPU. The core configuration of the GPUs are also unknown. Fourth, power is drawn in from two 8-pin PCI-E power connectors. The card is 2-way SLI capable with another of its kind.Source: enet.com.cn
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153 Comments on NVIDIA Readying Dual-GF110 Graphics Accelerator, Eying Total Performance Leadership

#1
SabreWulf69
Let down or not, the fact is at this very moment the GTX 580 is still the fastest single-GPU card out there, like it or lump it, prove me otherwise. As I'm pretty sure I have also mentioned, SLI has always scaled better too than ATI/AMD's Crossfire. This is all I care about. I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise, please no more speculation, the title is "NVIDIA Readying Dual-GF110 Graphics Accelerator, Eying Total Performance Leadership".
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#2
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
TheMailMan78 said:
I love reading all the comments in a thread like this....

"Oh this is going to destroy the 5970!" and "AMD better run" :laugh:

I sure as hell hope a duel GPU offering thats a YEAR newer can beat the 5970. Also if the 580 is any indicator of where Nvidia is going then you better get ready to have your bubble burst.

Personally I am waitting this gen. out unless a 6970 is faster then two 5870s Ill call fail. The 580 was let down enough.
It's usually the other way around in Nvidia threads, i'm actually surprised we got to over three pages without consistent trolling that usually manifests itself in these threads.

I think the 6970 will beat the 580 by a fair amount, because as i said, the 580 is still building off the same structure, while AMD is working from the ground up. And that doesn't mean it will definitely be better, but it gives them a very high chance of toppling Nvidia on that front.
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#3
KainXS
SabreWulf69 said:
Let down or not, the fact is at this very moment the GTX 580 is still the fastest single-GPU card out there, like it or lump it, prove me otherwise. As I'm pretty sure I have also mentioned, SLI has always scaled better too than ATI/AMD's Crossfire. This is all I care about. I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise, please STFU n00bs.
yes nvidia's highest end card that paper launched 2 weeks ago is currently the fastest single gpu card, it would be a fuckin shame if it wasn't:confused: and SLI has always scaled better than crossfire, . . . . o . . . k . . .

hold back on calling people noobs

I'm also thinking the 6970 will have similar performance to the to the 580 because we know its in the area based on everything we have seen, and by Nvidia releasing their card first it gave AMD the chance to see if they needed to boost clocks or not to compete.

going back in ATI vs Nvidia, its usually been Nvidia dominating ATI since the X1900XTX but now Nvidia has some real competition and competition = lower prices for us.
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#4
N3M3515
SabreWulf69 said:
Let down or not, the fact is at this very moment the GTX 580 is still the fastest single-GPU card out there, like it or lump it, prove me otherwise. As I'm pretty sure I have also mentioned, SLI has always scaled better too than ATI/AMD's Crossfire. This is all I care about. I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise, please STFU n00bs, no more speculation, the title is "NVIDIA Readying Dual-GF110 Graphics Accelerator, Eying Total Performance Leadership".
Acording to this, crossfire is on the same level or better than sli in terms of scaling.
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#5
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
It depends on what cards are being used and what software/games are being ran (and drivers). Generally it's been said that SLI scales better.
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#6
the54thvoid
SabreWulf69 said:
...As I'm pretty sure I have also mentioned, SLI has always scaled better too than ATI/AMD's Crossfire. This is all I care about. I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise, please STFU n00bs...
This is too easy...

Can I quote you? "I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise"
One GTX 580 is 77% performance of an sli set up.

One HD 6870 is 73% performance of crossfire set up.

One HD 6850 is 69% performance of a crossfire set up.


So the 6 series scale better than the GTX 580.

As i'm an adult i wont resort to saying "STFU n00b", instead i'll say, read some reviews about what you're talking about before you troll.
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#7
Fourstaff
High end scaling generally encounters some problems with bottleneck elsewhere.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6870_CrossFire/23.html
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580_SLI/24.html

If you look at the 2560X1600 segment (where graphics is the main suspect for bottleneck, vram or not) the picture becomes less rosy.

Edit: look at mid end graphics card SLi
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_460_SLI/27.html

Can't see ATi winning now, can we?
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#8
HossHuge
N3M3515 said:
Acording to this, crossfire is on the same level or better than sli in terms of scaling.
I don't think anyone else read this.
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#9
Benetanegia
the54thvoid said:
This is too easy...

Can I quote you? "I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise"
One GTX 580 is 77% performance of an sli set up.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580_SLI/images/perfrel.gif
One HD 6870 is 73% performance of crossfire set up.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6870_CrossFire/images/perfrel.gif
One HD 6850 is 69% performance of a crossfire set up.
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6850_CrossFire/images/perfrel.gif

So the 6 series scale better than the GTX 580.

As i'm an adult i wont resort to saying "STFU n00b", instead i'll say, read some reviews about what you're talking about before you troll.
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#10
LAN_deRf_HA
I think this is a good argument for why modular performance charts are so great. It'd be very useful if I could just check off all the games I play on a list, on the res I play at, and then see relative performance for that selection. What's most relevant to that person. The whole Sli/xfire scaling thing is different depending on the website because naturally they're not all using the same game selection. Hell I remember seeing a game where xfire scaled 101% It really not a definitive for everyone type of thing.
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#11
Selene
The GTX580 just came out, so I would say allot more scaling will come from drivers.
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#12
mdsx1950
SabreWulf69 said:
Let down or not, the fact is at this very moment the GTX 580 is still the fastest single-GPU card out there, like it or lump it, prove me otherwise. As I'm pretty sure I have also mentioned, SLI has always scaled better too than ATI/AMD's Crossfire. This is all I care about. I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise, please STFU n00bs, no more speculation, the title is "NVIDIA Readying Dual-GF110 Graphics Accelerator, Eying Total Performance Leadership".
The GTX 580 is the fastest single-GPU card till Dec 22nd and it cant even beat a card (HD5970) that's almost an year older. And no SLI hasn't always scaled better. (look at the54thvoid's post)

This card is going to be powerful, i agree. But I'm not sure it will beat the HD6990.
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#13
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
mdsx1950 said:
The GTX 580 is the fastest single-GPU card till Dec 22nd and it cant even beat a card (HD5970) that's almost an year older. And no SLI hasn't always scaled better. (look at the54thvoid's post)

This card is going to be powerful, i agree. But I'm not sure it will beat the HD6990.
The GTX 580 mingles with the 5970, and really that's all you can ask for when using the same architecture.

And lower end cards tend to scale better, im not surprised something like the 6800 series would scale better, but generally it's been SLI that has been known for better scaling, but of course as i said before, there are a lot of factors that determine that, GPU architecture, drivers, software/games being ran, resolution etc.
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#14
entropy13
Benetanegia said:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6850_CrossFire/images/perfrel_2560.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_460_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gif
LOL you use the data from the max. resolution only against the data that represents all resolutions :roll::roll::roll:

Over in guru3d DiRT2, Far Cry 2 and Crysis Warhead at lower resolutions shows the 2-way SLI of the 580 slightly ahead of 3-way, but if I were to follow your reasoning Benetanegia that's inconsequential because apparently only max resolution matters and not the data for ALL resolutions...:roll::roll::roll:
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#15
SabreWulf69
*Sigh* Go figure, takes a dual-GPU card to compete with NVIDIA's single-GPU ones at this very moment, the dual NVIDIA is gonna be win.



"Release timing for the 6970 isn't certain and may be in flux. One leak has claimed that chip yield problems at AMD's manufacturing partner, TSMC, have prevented the new Radeon from shipping for an intended end of November release. With less than 10 percent of 6970 chips at an acceptable quality, AMD can't make enough stock, TechEye said. The slip may push the faster 6000-series card into early 2011 and leave just the Radeon HD 6870 as the most recent graphics component."

Sorry for the hypocritical speculation but we are still waiting.
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#16
entropy13
SabreWulf69 said:
*Sigh* Go figure, takes a dual-GPU card to compete with NVIDIA's single-GPU ones at this very moment, the dual NVIDIA is gonna be win.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580/images/perfrel.gif

"Release timing for the 6970 isn't certain and may be in flux. One leak has claimed that chip yield problems at AMD's manufacturing partner, TSMC, have prevented the new Radeon from shipping for an intended end of November release. With less than 10 percent of 6970 chips at an acceptable quality, AMD can't make enough stock, TechEye said. The slip may push the faster 6000-series card into early 2011 and leave just the Radeon HD 6870 as the most recent graphics component."

Sorry for the hypocritical speculation but we are still waiting.
You entirely missed the point. It wasn't about performance but scaling. Let me lol. :laugh:

There. Done. Let me "*sigh*" as well.
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#17
SabreWulf69
LOL at me indeed, shouldn't have quoted, should have replied... There fixed, my bad, sorry.
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#18
fochkoph
Either way nVidia recovering from the the GTX 400 series reminds me of McLaren's comeback during 2009's F1 season. Pretty impressive to say the least. :p
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#19
Eva01Master
TAViX said:
X2 is (was...) ATI trademark bro!!!:shadedshu
My bad, you're right, I rectify; they should be called GTX-580GX2 as nVidia called the 7950GX2 and the 9800GX2.
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#20
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
CDdude55 said:
It's usually the other way around in Nvidia threads, i'm actually surprised we got to over three pages without consistent trolling that usually manifests itself in these threads.

I think the 6970 will beat the 580 by a fair amount, because as i said, the 580 is still building off the same structure, while AMD is working from the ground up. And that doesn't mean it will definitely be better, but it gives them a very high chance of toppling Nvidia on that front.
and theres also a high chance that the 6970 will fail. remember the 2900 when ati tried a bit to hard?
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#21
wolf
Performance Enthusiast
the54thvoid said:
This is too easy...
So the 6 series scale better than the GTX 580.

As i'm an adult i wont resort to saying "STFU n00b", instead i'll say, read some reviews about what you're talking about before you troll.
Benetanegia said:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6850_CrossFire/images/perfrel_2560.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_460_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gif
lol

Given the right circumstances both camps have proven they can scale between 80-100% this is a moot argument.

one site's review is not an all-indicative factore of scaling performance, especially given t
he massive variety of games tested, some being AMD friendly, some NV, and some scaling badly for both.

generally, over the populous of polular (mostly MP) games, Nvidia tend to have better scaling, given you need and insanely powerfull base system to feed GPU's like 2x GF110 and 4xCypress.
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#22
CDdude55
Crazy 4 TPU!!!
nvidiaintelftw said:
and theres also a high chance that the 6970 will fail. remember the 2900 when ati tried a bit to hard?
How does the 2900 link to today's manufacturing?, inevitably each company will hit or miss with a series eventually, sometimes you don't get what you hoped. Look at Fermi, it was a failure efficiency wise but you rework it for the greater good.

The 6900's have a higher chances of being better then the 580 due to the new design, they have an early look at Nvidias cards already and if they focus and design the card to really be monstrous, then i think inevitably the 6900's will come out on top.

I'm probably one of the few people that don't actually think the 580's are supposed to compete against the 6900's. I think if it was we would be seeing a much different card, the 580 was a refresh righting the wrongs of the 480 and adding a good 10%-12% or so increase performance wise, that is all.
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#23
bear jesus
CDdude55 said:
The 6900's have a higher chances of being better then the 580 due to the new design, they have an early look at Nvidias cards already and if they focus and design the card to really be monstrous, then i think inevitably the 6900's will come out on top.

I'm probably one of the few people that don't actually think the 580's are supposed to compete against the 6900's. I think if it was we would be seeing a much different card, the 580 was a refresh righting the wrongs of the 480 and adding a good 10%-12% or so increase performance wise, that is all.
I agree but i think the performance increase caused by increased clocks and all 512 cuda cores enabled really would have been where the 480 would have been if it could have been made right from the start but this whole thing was not really Nvidia's fault, it was down to he 40nm process issues.

But it makes me wonder if the 480 was as it should have been (the 580) what would nvidia be doing now, if its single chip card beat ATI's dual chip card from when it should have been released (around the 58xx launch) would nvidia be releasing the 5xx cards this year? would they have even released anything other than a dual chip card before the transition to 28nm?

I really hope the 6970 beats the 580 as if everything had worked out then AMD would be trying to catch up to the year old 480 with the power of the 580, unfortunately however it turns out i will probably have to buy a 6970 to get back to using a single card/chip and then just keep hoping that nvidia will support triple monitor setups on a single card/chip for the 680 so it can be an option for me.
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#24
the54thvoid
Benetanegia said:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_580_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6850_CrossFire/images/perfrel_2560.gifhttp://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_460_SLI/images/perfrel_2560.gif
Well done Ben. But you entirely miss the point here.

The arguement wasn't about who generally scales better. What Sabrewulf explicitly said was:

SLI has always scaled better too than ATI/AMD's Crossfire

So i gave the link (pics) as requested:

I want links of reviews to prove me otherwise

My link proves otherwise. Yes, of course Nvidia cards scale better on the whole but the post was short sighted enough to say NV ALWAYS scales better which is no longer true as the 6 series is making headway.

You dont always have to defend NV from me. I'm 90% on way to buying a new card and it's more than likely going to be NV (unless HD 6970 is surprisingly good). But to defend a post that is in fact wrong by using irrelevant info doesn't help.

Your post didnt disprove me at all.
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#25
SabreWulf69
Yup, taken with a grain of salt :-) Not been good with my wording today, my brain is feeling melty lol, here's to hoping this card at least makes it to commercial availability.
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