Friday, April 8th 2011

AMD Gaffe Has AIBs Ship Radeon HD 6790 with Too Many ROPs

A possible miscommunication between AMD and its foundry or board partners saw some, if not all partners ship AMD Radeon HD 6790 graphics cards with more ROPs enabled than specified. The HD 6790 SKU is originally specified to have 16 of the 32 ROPs on the 40 nm Barts GPU enabled, however, batches of GPUs shipped have 24 out of 32 ROPs enabled. While not a bad thing for the user at all (since the GPU ends up with more geometry crunching power at its disposal), it has AMD red faced, as it disturbs the product lineup.

The issue surfaced when GPU-Z started reading ROP count of our samples as 24, even as AMD press deck and subsequently the product page on AMD website mentioned HD 6790 ROP count as 16. We initially dismissed it as a GPU-Z bug, but as it turns out, HD 6790 indeed has 24 ROPs enabled, if GPU-Z reads so. An ROP (raster operations processor) handles a key part of the GPU's geometry rendering. ROPs process final shader output pixels and put them into memory. 24 ROPs theoretically gives these few HD 6790 cards 50% higher geometry processing power. This isn't the first time AMD fumbled with specifications. Some of the first AMD Radeon HD 4830 graphics cards shipped with 80 stream processors less than specification; more recently, some initial Radeon HD 6850 samples had all 1120 stream processors of Barts enabled. They're supposed to have 960. AMD said that it is investigating into the matter, and could make an official statement soon.

We have asked severals AIBs to test their production boards and they all have 24 ROPs so far.

Update: We have discussed this with AMD and it looks like this was our mistake and the cards really have 16 ROPs.

The register GPU-Z looks at to calculate the number of active ROPs indicates the number of disabled ROP units using set bits. For the case of HD 6790 two bits are set, which means two disabled units. The Barts GPU has a total of 32 ROPs in 8 units, which would leave us with 24 ROPs based on the register data: (8 [total ROPs] - 2 [disabled ROPs]) * 4 [pixels per clock per ROP] = 24.

If you look at the architecture diagram above (look for the thick black box or the red box), you can see that the shader units of the GPU are split into two shader arrays and the ROPs (yellow squares next to "L2 cache") are independent from these. In reality the ROPs are located inside these shader arrays, too. As a result "two deactivated ROPs" really means "two deactivated ROPs per shader array". So the correct shader count is (4 [ROPs per shader array] - 2 [disabled ROPs per shader array]) * 2 [shader arrays] * 4 [pixels per clock per ROP] = 16 !

Thank you AMD for clearing this up.
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52 Comments on AMD Gaffe Has AIBs Ship Radeon HD 6790 with Too Many ROPs

#26
KainXS
W1zzardno, there is no unlocking potential. you could downgrade the rops to 16 or less in theory making the card slower.

but going from 24 to 32 rops is not possible, those are properly locked in hardware
its almost always on GDDR5
64bit= 8
128bit = 16
256bit = 32

maybe on the final cards 16 rops have their rop access disabled but then whats the point of having a 256bit bus?.
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#27
TheMailMan78
Big Member
btarunrNow more people will buy HD 6790 in hopes of "getting what they're not supposed to get". Gotta love AMD's "accident marketing".

"Oops, some cards have too many ROPs, buy a card, and get lucky"

"Oops, some HD 6950 can be flash to HD 6970, get lucky"

"Oops, some dual-core/tri-core CPUs can be unlocked to quad-core, buy one, get lucky"

It doesn't take CIA to see a pattern.
It is pretty genius if you think about it. I remember when I first unlocked the 720 on here. I was so excited. Ever since then they have made the same "accident" about 20 times :laugh:

Funny thing is people still fall for it.
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#29
KainXS
he meant the GTX465 to GTX470 unlocking, and thats only possible on early ones where they tried to get rid of stock(i guess) and sold GTX470's as GTX465's with locked bios's
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#30
Bjorn_Of_Iceland
there were shortage in 465, so some board partners opted to downgrade 470s to 465s through bios. Thus the 470 465s in the wild.
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#31
wolf
Better Than Native
I can see this annoying buyers in particular cases. say you read a few reviews, and all of those sites got a 24 ROP card, you buy one shortly after and its 16 ROP, and your expectations of performance were (rightfully so) higher.

time will tell with this one.
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#32
Bjorn_Of_Iceland
wolfI can see this annoying buyers in particular cases. say you read a few reviews, and all of those sites got a 24 ROP card, you buy one shortly after and its 16 ROP, and your expectations of performance were (rightfully so) higher.

time will tell with this one.
Maybe re-release the 16rops as 6785?
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#33
W1zzard
KainXSits almost always on GDDR5
64bit= 8
128bit = 16
256bit = 32

maybe on the final cards 16 rops have their rop access disabled but then whats the point of having a 256bit bus?.
ROPs are decoupled from memory bus now
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#34
cadaveca
My name is Dave
W1zzardROPs are decoupled from memory bus now
LoL WHUT?

SO what manages the connections between the two? I is confuseled.:confused:

Sheesh, I missed something, something big.

WHUT!?!


:o
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#36
unsmart
this isn't like bios modding or core unlocking because those where not reviewed in the upgraded state. Now the reviews have to edit there reviews[I hope they do] to reflect the true specs. Really though this puts the price point of the 6790 in a new light given it is so close to the 6850 but the performance will be much lower.
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#37
Over_Lord
News Editor
wait, so the card wizzard reviewed, does it have 24 ROPs??

if so, then the actual HD6790 we are gonna see retail has even lower performance.
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#38
W1zzard
updated the original post. amd was right, i failed, sorry about that.
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#39
unsmart
April fools part II :rockout:
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#40
TheMailMan78
Big Member
W1zzardupdated the original post. amd was right, i failed, sorry about that.
So is your review inaccurate?
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#41
W1zzard
TheMailMan78So is your review inaccurate?
all reviews are accurate. the cards reviewed have 16 rops as specified by amd
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#42
TheMailMan78
Big Member
W1zzardall reviews are accurate. the cards reviewed have 16 rops as specified by amd
:toast: Thanks. I figured as much. Just wanted to be clear.
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#43
X1REME
wow made everyone who made a comment look a troll lol (although not even one person came close to the truth) :shadedshu
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#44
Over_Lord
News Editor
wizzard why did u delete my 2nd comment... huh?
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#45
alexsubri
This was a better April Fools joke ! :-S
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#46
Wrigleyvillain
PTFO or GTFO
alexsubriThis was a better April Fools joke ! :-S
Cept it wasn't. :wtf:
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#49
AsRock
TPU addict
95Viperyep:toast:

This marketing scheme works for the lottery here.
By a ticket take a chance, you may hit a winner.
People, love to gamble on a chance at being the winner.
So, why not draw on that characteristic.
I got a 6950 that unlocked... I am a winner!:cool:
Well i got 4 cores for the price of too and so did many others who got AMD cpu's and if ya look at reviews the chance is pritty dam high too.
TheMailMan78So is your review inaccurate?
EDIT just what i was thinking

Anyways does this mean reviews of the supposed 6790 are incorrect ?.
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#50
W1zzard
AsRockAnyways does this mean reviews of the supposed 6790 are incorrect ?.
no, it means everything is correct
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