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eidairaman1Considering Phenom II is being Axed and remnant supplies are going fast due to being a overall better chip. Bulldozer reminds me of Prescott.

They have to keep business goin, considering they are tooling around with Piledriver and Trinity, If trinity is proving to be 30% faster than Llano that might transfer to Piledriver too.

Until Piledriver lands Im not building anything, I also Left my bros machine at a certain capability- basically when the final AM3+ CPU drops that is the fastest and still supports the 970A Chipset will go into that along with the Max Ram at 2133MHz which should be 32GB for that board. Id Also love to see a Dual Processor Format too

I wouldn't hold my breath for piledriver.
I don't see it to make a huge improvement.
The high end chip will probably be based on today's opteron release. 3200 series.

AvonXI wouldn't hold my breath for piledriver.
I don't see it to make a huge improvement.
The high end chip will probably be based on today's opteron release. 3200 series.

erm we can only wait and see, Piledriver probably will be the one I go with after AMD got feedback on how bulldozer performs on todays stuff, ya it might perform well in tomorrows but its just like how Hyperthreading took so long to be properly utilized. Win XP and Win Vista didnt do so well, Win 7 does. Im sure AMD learned from the mistake of the initial bulldozer to improve on Piledriver and go from there

tricksonI am not sure just what AMD is trying to do. There already have a lot of Chips to chose from why are they adding even MORE Chips to the FX line? It seems a bit confusing to say the least.

Phenom II and non-Llano Athlon II are EOL. They have to fill-out their processor line, to provide choice to their customers; don't forget, people who overclock are a small portion of the market.

AvonXI wouldn't hold my breath for piledriver.
I don't see it to make a huge improvement.
The high end chip will probably be based on today's opteron release. 3200 series.

There won't be a 'huge improvement' if you mean suddenly attaining Sandy Bridge IPC.
But, I think it's likely that there will be at least a 10-15% bump (which puts stock IPC at first gen core i7 levels), and possibly 20-30% performance increase when you factor in higher stock clocks and higher memory bandwidth.
That's not great when compared to Ivy Bridge and Haswell, but it is when compared to K10. And there is plenty of room for more optimization. It'll be interesting to see how things develop.

AvonX,

Did I do something wrong and offend you? Apparently Mr Trickson seems to think that I offended you. I can only apologise deeply if I offended you.

tricksonI think this is just a way to flood the CPU market and make as much cash as they can off the Bulldozer till they can get the Piledriver out. But makes one wonder.

But that is exactly what I said. Did you not READ my post. Stop rewording my post and making it seem like you said it first.

Dent1the Piledriver is in Q3 (date keeps changing) according to the last roadmap I saw. So they need to continue to generate revenue between now and then.

Dent1AvonX,

Did I do something wrong and offend you? Apparently Mr Trickson seems to think that I offended you. I can only apologise deeply if I offended you.

I just want to know why you come on talking flame war. Every time some one mentions some thing about AMD.

To me this is very pointless for AMD to flood the market with more FX chips. Look at it like this. Most of the time when you have a new release of a CPU (OR at least from Intel's side) there is some inherent gain from the "NEW LINE" or even a New release. SO where is the "Gain" It is like all AMD is doing now is whipping a dead horse trying to make it stand! I just do not get it is all. Why not stick with the stuff you have now and then when you release some thing make it better than the last thing you had out? I mean come on! This is purely a flood the market type thing! Pump up the speed and push them out FAST! The stockholders want this? Really? I would sell every bit of stock if this is the best they got to offer!

See I am sure you will find my comment as a FLAME war starter! When it is not.

Dent1AvonX,

Did I do something wrong and offend you? Apparently Mr Trickson seems to think that I offended you. I can only apologise deeply if I offended you.

Nope all fine here.
Guys relax he was just saying his opinion.

Thats correct and next we will see business model FX CPUs. Im not expecting a IVB IPC Increase but a Improvement that is 30% sounds pretty nice if it gets passed on From Trinity Core to Piledriver

InceptorPhenom II and non-Llano Athlon II are EOL. They have to fill-out their processor line, to provide choice to their customers; don't forget, people who overclock are a small portion of the market.



There won't be a 'huge improvement' if you mean suddenly attaining Sandy Bridge IPC.
But, I think it's likely that there will be at least a 10-15% bump (which puts stock IPC at first gen core i7 levels), and possibly 20-30% performance increase when you factor in higher stock clocks and higher memory bandwidth.
That's not great when compared to Ivy Bridge and Haswell, but it is when compared to K10. And there is plenty of room for more optimization. It'll be interesting to see how things develop.

tricksonTo me this is very pointless for AMD to flood the market with more FX chips. Look at it like this. Most of the time when you have a new release of a CPU (OR at least from Intel's side) there is some inherent gain from the "NEW LINE" or even a New release. SO where is the "Gain" It is like all AMD is doing now is whipping a dead horse trying to make it stand! I just do not get it is all. Why not stick with the stuff you have now and then when you release some thing make it better than the last thing you had out? I mean come on! This is purely a flood the market type thing! Pump up the speed and push them out FAST! The stockholders want this? Really? I would sell every bit of stock if this is the best they got to offer!

You are still looking at it from a customer's eyes.

Yes, they are flooding the market but that isnt always a bad thing.

There is gain from the new line. The new line will help maintain AMD's revenue stream, thus share prices.

theoneandonlymrkare these parts a different stepping of BD:confused::D

or just a name change/different binning:p

New stepping. B3 Stepping

tricksonTo me this is very pointless for AMD to flood the market with more FX chips. Look at it like this. Most of the time when you have a new release of a CPU (OR at least from Intel's side) there is some inherent gain from the "NEW LINE" or even a New release. SO where is the "Gain" It is like all AMD is doing now is whipping a dead horse trying to make it stand! I just do not get it is all. Why not stick with the stuff you have now and then when you release some thing make it better than the last thing you had out? I mean come on! This is purely a flood the market type thing! Pump up the speed and push them out FAST! The stockholders want this? Really? I would sell every bit of stock if this is the best they got to offer!

people are buying them and Amd were already makeing them duh,,,, intel have a far broader range of processors ,so i am often surprised by the few varieties of amd chips ,and anyway ,flood the market who cares ,theyll get cheaper then wont they:) .

Amd clearly stated they were moveing Pd along onto its Apu first, as it percieves that to be easier ,more lucrative and required sooner, i agree as its binned lower parts are going to make great portable stuff:) desktops run fine and games run for the most part fine on what they are allready (and at this minute forced) makeing.

anyone worth his snot moaning on here would easily manage to get an FX8150 working better (oc'd) then anyone could a phenomII and though a 2500k etc will beat it in some games its still mostly going to be the gpu holding you up and you know it, and a BD system will be suffiecient for Most people even if it dosnt appeal to epeeen tards clearly not you that< though your spec does make me wonder how your on here bemoaning a cpu you never wanted and clearly never bettered??

are these parts a different stepping of BD:confused::D

or just a name change/different binning:p

THink of this as Phenom 1 and Prescott

theoneandonlymrkpeople are buying them and Amd were already makeing them duh,,,, intel have a far broader range of processors ,so i am often surprised by the few varieties of amd chips ,and anyway ,flood the market who cares ,theyll get cheaper then wont they:) .

Amd clearly stated they were moveing Pd along onto its Apu first, as it percieves that to be easier ,more lucrative and required sooner, i agree as its binned lower parts are going to make great portable stuff:) desktops run fine and games run for the most part fine on what they are allready (and at this minute forced) makeing.

are these parts a different stepping of BD:confused::D

or just a name change/different binning:p

Dent1You are still looking at it from a customer's eyes.

Yes, they are flooding the market but that isnt always a bad thing.

There is gain from the new line. The new line will help maintain AMD's revenue stream, thus share prices.

Only if HP and the rest see this as a good thing. You do know that the majority of CPU sales come from the manufactures of computers not from people like us. This will drive the cost of CPU's down on both sides yes, But it could also cause HP, Dell and the others to say " Wait why should we continue to buy this stuff when the Top Name brand is better and now cheaper?" This could be both good and bad is all I am saying. Flooding the market can cause adverse affects too.

Oh god.. trickson and dent on amd again... :rolleyes:

Dent1New stepping. B3 Stepping

ya see now that actually makes em interesting, i too would rather hang on for vishera but the review's got to be worth a read:)

theoneandonlymrkhough your spec does make me wonder how your on here bemoaning a cpu you never wanted and clearly never bettered?

So I can not make any comments because of what I have? Or what you think I will never get?

I just see this a bit differently is all. AMD will do what ever they want nothing I say will change this for sure. So lets just leave it at that.

Trickson chill out men. :)

things are bad enough already

tricksonSo I can not make any comments because of what I have? Or what you think I will never get?

I just see this a bit differently is all. AMD will do what ever they want nothing I say will change this for sure. So lets just leave it at that.

no but your saying this and that but i cant see how any of it matters to you, i dont vist the core 2 threads bemoaning their performance in .x64 etx its odd and your allways rileing against AMD its a bit stale

QUOTE=trickson;2578928]Why not stick with the stuff you have now and then when you release some thing make it better than the last thing you had out?[/quote]

thats what ya said by the way and ive got you down as just likeing a debate poss trolling:p

for my side in this a listened to some of the harsh critisysm BD got and chose phenomII, its ok but a 8120 oc'd to 5 Would have been better, my 2133 mem is stuck at 1870 till i get a better IMC/cpu so be a bit more realistic, BD is not crippled as you imply

tricksonOnly if HP and the rest see this as a good thing. You do know that the majority of CPU sales come from the manufactures of computers not from people like us. This will drive the cost of CPU's down on both sides yes, But it could also cause HP, Dell and the others to say " Wait why should we continue to buy this stuff when the Top Name brand is better and now cheaper?" This could be both good and bad is all I am saying. Flooding the market can cause adverse affects too.

That will never happen because Intel will never be cheaper than AMD at wholesale price or retail price. Part of Intel's prestige of "better brand" means keeping prices higher to give a perception of quality.

The more AMD flood the market, they'll manufacture in greater quantities and the lower the manufacturing price becomes and as a consequence the unit price per CPU drops, meaning that HP and Dell benefit from buying shipments of AMD OEM CPUs cheaper and thus sell their prebuilt machines cheaper. So its win/win.

theoneandonlymrkand its odd and your allways rileing against AMD its a bit stale

I agree. I've been saying this about Trickson for months. Glad someone else has noticed.

But really that notebook benchmark today was funny. :D
And also this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhUbrBe5o-A

AvonXBut really that notebook benchmark today was funny. :D
And also this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhUbrBe5o-A

:roll:

not even important , clearly a sly dig at AMD due to amd's own notebook showoff recently wherein the notebook did 3 things normal people actually do very well and better then intel might manage for years

funny bench vid:)

ive overthanked it seems sos

AvonXBut really that notebook benchmark today was funny. :D
And also this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhUbrBe5o-A

NOW that is funny! I am so Laughing my ASS OFF!

But I like this.

theoneandonlymrknot even important

Yes you are right AMD is putting out some new stuff and that great news! GO AMD!

EDIT: DID I say NEW stuff? I meant Old stuff that is NEW and that is GREAT news.
Sorry.

Please thank me for the video :D

trickson i am sure there will be no more comments after that vid. LoL

tricksonNOW that is funny! I am so Laughing my ASS OFF!

AvonXtrickson i am sure there will be no more comments after that vid. LoL

Did you understand the irony behind the video?

The video wasnt about Bulldozers performance. Do you know what they were making fun of? I will help you out if you are really stuck but I just want to see if you get the joke.

AvonX, this goes for you too. Do get get what the joke is about?