64KThat's the way I see it too. The improvements have been gradual and it's taken a few generations to give me a good reason to upgrade my 3570k but it's almost time. I will wait for word on 10nm Cannonlake and if it gets delayed past 2017 then I will do a Kaby Lake build.

I personally have a z77 3570k and an H170 6320 and I prefer the latter.

LDNLAnother year and another useless processor from Intel. This is becoming like the COD series but with processors. Clock per clock performance is pretty much the same as in Sandy Bridge and the only thing thats evolving is the chipset. With no competition its no wonder advancements arent happening.

Because they are playing it smart. they be doing them self's in by giving you the best they can do as they would have to improve even more.

Better to see what AMD bring to the table then match \ beat that by enough to get people still buy intel.

Little steps allows them to have gains regardless how small they are.

AsRockBecause they are playing it smart. they be doing them self's in by giving you the best they can do as they would have to improve even more.

Better to see what AMD bring to the table then match \ beat that by enough to get people still buy intel.

Little steps allows them to have gains regardless how small they are.

It's going to be 2019 and they'll have no gains since 2016.

"We'll just come up with cool sounding names! These 5 yr old CPUs will sell themselves! LOLOLOLOLOLOL" "And we'll charge quad core prices for a dual core LOLZ, those idiots will buy it, too!"

At this point this has to be a paraphrased version of what their marketing team is doing.

The only good thing is it seems intel cut off Anand, Tom's and others from the cookie jar. I haven't seen "This is the best fucking CPU ever made!!!111!!111" from them in quite a while. Anyone remember when they would intentionally misconfigure AMD systems (with a lot slower ram, iirc)? They made such a fuss about the TLB bug even though it affected NO ONE, but intel got a pass on severe bugs.

TheGuruStudIt's going to be 2019 and they'll have no gains since 2016.

"We'll just come up with cool sounding names! These 5 yr old CPUs will sell themselves! LOLOLOLOLOLOL" "And we'll charge quad core prices for a dual core LOLZ, those idiots will buy it, too!"

At this point this has to be a paraphrased version of what their marketing team is doing.

It's saving me a fortune so i cannot say i care in all honestly.

TheGuruStudIt's going to be 2019 and they'll have no gains since 2016.

We'll just come up with cool sounding names! These 5 yr old CPUs will sell themselves!

You mean like Bulldozer or Excavator?

BlueberriesYou mean like Bulldozer or Excavator?

You would have a point if intel didn't spend many times more on marketing than AMD's entire operating budget. Or if AMD had a dozen of its own fabs or made billions per quarter.

I highly doubt AMD believes people will buy a CPU for a new (cool) name, but Intel must given the zero gains, now.

There will be a 10 percent gain from 2013 to 2019. That is utterly absurd.

The fools are lining up to buy new CPUs that are identical to the old ones.

Big Freakin' deal. Hurry up Ryzen and piss on this intel fire it's getting old.

The only reason I'm upgrading is for the better storage options and more PCI-E lanes on the newer chipests. Otherwise a Sandy Bridge will do the job for me.

Nice. Would like an updated ASRock H110M-STX and an i3.

TheGuruStudHey, now, next thing you'll tell me is that I don't need a "windows 10 compatible" sticker on my monitor.

Hey no fair....you let the cat out of the bag, shame on you :cry:

Now we all know what that "VR-ready" sticker REALLY means....

If you upgrade to this gen of cpu, it actually means get ready, 'cause monitors aren't compatible anymore :eek:

geon2k2Oh, please, stop it, i was just pointing out that there was very little progress between generations.
Obviously no new customer should buy an old platform at the same price as the new one, even if this has the same performance.

On the other hand I sit on an i5 Haswell and I was looking to maybe upgrade to an i7 also Haswell so that I'll not have to replace the MB, but the prices didn't move from few years ago (although I did see my i5 with like 50 EUR discount compared to my price during BF) and in retrospect it does make some sense as the performance of this old i7 is more or less the same as the new i7.

Well that's one way to twist reality.

The actual reality is that Intel CPUs are the *only* chips that do not seem to get cheaper as they are being refreshed, and that Intel CPUs don't actually get faster with a refresh all that much. With those two, Intel is actually the one unique player in the entire semiconductor market doing it like this. If I want a 100% similar performing GPU today as the one I bought two years ago, I'll be paying a price that is two entire price tiers lower than it was two years ago. That's right, same performance, lower price, because time has passed.

Intel's own stagnation is their own argument for keeping price at the same level and you justify this... with extremely flawed logic. It still is a reality, this is correct, but it is a strange, strange reality of one player owning the market. Look at Nvidia's Pascal and you can see the same trend starting up, cleverly hidden to us with a 'Founder's Edition'... although every consumer with two brain cells could see through that ánd Nvidia is actually adding the good ol' 30% performance on top. Why not with Intel?

TheGuruStudThe only good thing is it seems intel cut off Anand, Tom's and others from the cookie jar. I haven't seen "This is the best fucking CPU ever made!!!111!!111" from them in quite a while. Anyone remember when they would intentionally misconfigure AMD systems (with a lot slower ram, iirc)? They made such a fuss about the TLB bug even though it affected NO ONE, but intel got a pass on severe bugs.

Anandtech is owned by Tom's are they not? What ever it is that has changed there, you couldn't pay me to hang out now.

Vayra86Well that's one way to twist reality.

The actual reality is that Intel CPUs are the *only* chips that do not seem to get cheaper as they are being refreshed, and that Intel CPUs don't actually get faster with a refresh all that much. With those two, Intel is actually the one unique player in the entire semiconductor market doing it like this. If I want a 100% similar performing GPU today as the one I bought two years ago, I'll be paying a price that is two entire price tiers lower than it was two years ago. That's right, same performance, lower price, because time has passed.

Intel's own stagnation is their own argument for keeping price at the same level and you justify this... with extremely flawed logic. It still is a reality, this is correct, but it is a strange, strange reality of one player owning the market. Look at Nvidia's Pascal and you can see the same trend starting up, cleverly hidden to us with a 'Founder's Edition'... although every consumer with two brain cells could see through that ánd Nvidia is actually adding the good ol' 30% performance on top. Why not with Intel?

Now for these 6-10 core beasts available you get obviously better performance due to extra cores on only heavy threaded apps and pretty much everything else that doesn't benefit at all or much from over 6 cores you can barely tell the difference between Sandy Bridge E and Broadwell E...and you actually pay way more for the extra cores if you go that route, it's insane really. Yet with Gpu's as you said everything is faster, much lower TDP vs performance, and maybe the same or less for vast improvements in all areas....it really is an extremely crappy reality for consumers and not what one should expect particularly in a tech industry.

I haven't really felt the need to upgrade my two Ivy Bridge PCs. But, the small but incremental changes each new gen are adding up.
The latest Kaby k version with the soon to be released 1080ti is starting to sound good. There again, waiting perhaps one more gen for both cpu and gpu would be a better bet?

It's amazing that even Sandybridge are still respectable CPUs, and we all know they overclock like crazy!