These days CPU's and storage (SSD's) are becoming so fast that hardware itself is'nt really a problem no more in various tasks. What bothers me more is that many services we tend to use daily such as skype stores your data such as calls, IM's and video chats for technically, unlimited time. Our privacy is slowly being taken away from us, and since many things come free these days the tradeoff is simply to harvest, collect and market your data in any way they want.

JismWhat? So your saying W10 gets in favor of W7, like 3 more FPS? 0.3 seconds faster in adobe? 0.1 second faster in booting?

So you are saying it is in fact faster?

JismGeezus. It's not about speed, it's about stability and coming back one day knowing your computer is fine. I can see more and more threads spawning at this very moment W10 being unusable for a pushed update. Imagine if you where a small company, and all your work depends on your computer. Some update ruined with worst case scenario of Data loss. no joke.

There is no such thing as a forced windows 10 upgrade. That lady is an idiot.

I think you missed the very beginning of W10 and the 'free update'.

I remember a Dialog on the computer sitting "Your computer is ready for a update" which only offered an Install button and no way back. That is where that lawsuit is coming from and that is where microsoft 'quickly' changed the option to update the OS in a more reasonable matter. I've seen various occasions myself that a Windows 7 / 8 to Windows 10 update failed, dataloss occured and a system that was unusable because there where no drivers.

JismI think you missed the very beginning of W10 and the 'free update'.

I remember a Dialog on the computer sitting "Your computer is ready for a update" which only offered an Install button and no way back. That is where that lawsuit is coming from and that is where microsoft 'quickly' changed the option to update the OS in a more reasonable matter. I've seen various occasions myself that a Windows 7 / 8 to Windows 10 update failed, dataloss occured and a system that was unusable because there where no drivers.

No the system was usable it just didn't work well. I kind of do this as a living. Also you just decline the installer EULA and it reboots. I apologize you couldn't figure it out.

I have'nt installed Windows 10, so i'm not sure about 'your' experience. I had people bringing in their laptops or desktops, with lost data, or failed upgrades / installations or updates. And from what i do know, things like these shoud'nt happen. Even if it's offered as a free update/upgrade. Or you think it's normal that a computer should fail upon installation of a update?

Back in the Windows 2000 era, we could say we had a OS that was designed to be of service of you. XP was the best product that came out of that era as well. Once you set things, they where simply straight. Now we have Windows 10 where a company harvests your collected data, and 'pushes' out updates, you cant select. Thus resetting your prefferences such as your privacy, settings or UAC for example, being back to normal.

MSN Messenger > completely hauled over to Skype, and Skype now logging your data, chats and calls. Another great MS product, yes? How often skype crashed due to display of a faulty banner / advertisement. There are better company's and devs over the world. The problem is is that 95% of Windows users dont know that there is any better, and simply click Yes, Agreed and not even read one word of the EULA.

People are idiots. It isn't my fault they clicked upgrade and remove all user data. People need to learn to take personal responsibility for their actions. Microsoft didn't remote in and select the windows 10 upgrade.

Seriously,

would you read a complete EULA for like 50 pages where a small sentence states your data might or does get lost?

cdawallPeople are idiots. It isn't my fault they clicked upgrade and remove all user data. People need to learn to take personal responsibility for their actions. Microsoft didn't remote in and select the windows 10 upgrade.

Would you please stop calling people idiots? You are indeed king of dumbass'ary saying this. I noticed you before with that behavior. And yeah I agree with Jism. People don't need to know all about the system like win 10. The fact is that this product is lacking a lot. It's not just you who's doing this for a leaving. I guess you are not proud nor happy of what you are doing and you attack others after your failures? Maybe start doing something else. Your arrogance is beyond believe really.

Think again wise ass. If people learn responsibility from their actions taken then you will be off the wagon with helping them. And guess what not a broken dime for you. So it's a good job security for You my little Houston dim-witted man that they don't.

JismSeriously,

would you read a complete EULA for like 50 pages where a small sentence states your data might or does get lost?

Why upgrade at all if you do not have your critical data backed up? Why upgrade if you don't want windows 10? Why should you even be at the EULA screen if you aren't planning on upgrading? Does Microsoft need to hold people's hands to the point where it will not allow the upgrade without a forced backup by the user? What do you want from them, they offered a new product for FREE for the course of an entire year. Something they have not done in the past.

The number of users that managed this apparent feat without issue is quite high. The number that tried it and then managed to roll back to windows 7/8.x without a single issue is also quite high. There will always be a number of people who can't figure out how to plug a USB flash drive in. Those are the same people who had issues with windows 10 and data loss.

Want to know what really happened? Someone messed up. That someone wasn't microsoft.

ratirtWould you please stop calling people idiots? You are indeed king of dumbass'ary saying this. I noticed you before with that behavior. And yeah I agree with Jism. People don't need to know all about the system like win 10. The fact is that this product is lacking a lot. It's not just you who's doing this for a leaving. I guess you are not proud nor happy of what you are doing and you attack others after your failures? Maybe start doing something else. Your arrogance is beyond believe really.

Think again wise ass. If people learn responsibility from their actions taken then you will be off the wagon with helping them. And guess what not a broken dime for you. So it's a good job security for You my little Houston dim-witted man that they don't.

NO. I will call people as I see them. I am not here to make you or anyone else feel better about themselves. People don't know everything about cars, planes, boats etc. That is why subject matter experts exist. The product lacks what, a for dummies button? It is simple and for the most part idiot proof. It forces updates, has a built in antivirus that is not easily user defeatable. I have personally seen the number of OS related/virus issues plummet in the last year or so. Windows 10 works.

I say again and stand by this. We are seeing the same laggards with windows 7 as we did with windows 10. If you cannot see that, well more power to you.

Also hardware always fails, there will always be a job opening for technicians. That is regardless of what field the tech works in. Other thing them taking responsibility for f'ing everything up doesn't change the necessity of repair.

I think this topic is completely derailed.

BTW; If you don't have at least three independent copies of important data, you can already consider it lost, and it's you own fault if you loose it.

efikkanI think this topic is completely derailed.

BTW; If you don't have at least three independent copies of important data, you can already consider it lost, and it's you own fault if you loose it.

Independent as in not the same medium or location.

cdawallIndependent as in not the same medium or location.

Obviously, yes!

efikkanObviously, yes!

Haha you have to specify that I have had people tell me two USB hard drives plugged into the same outlet were independent. They both independently failed from the same surge. I try to be as specific as possible for backups now.

Good thing there is this for no hassle Win 10 spyware/keylogger quick fix www.getblackbird.net/documentation/
The mere fact this utility needs to exist is unsettling.

Using Vulkan in Windows could mean making it easier to port games to Linux. You all can sit here arguing about versions of Windows but, I'll be having the last laugh if I find that the number of supported games in my Steam library starts growing for Linux + SteamOS.

cdawallWhy upgrade at all if you do not have your critical data backed up? Why upgrade if you don't want windows 10? Why should you even be at the EULA screen if you aren't planning on upgrading? Does Microsoft need to hold people's hands to the point where it will not allow the upgrade without a forced backup by the user? What do you want from them, they offered a new product for FREE for the course of an entire year. Something they have not done in the past.

The number of users that managed this apparent feat without issue is quite high. The number that tried it and then managed to roll back to windows 7/8.x without a single issue is also quite high. There will always be a number of people who can't figure out how to plug a USB flash drive in. Those are the same people who had issues with windows 10 and data loss.

Want to know what really happened? Someone messed up. That someone wasn't microsoft.



NO. I will call people as I see them. I am not here to make you or anyone else feel better about themselves. People don't know everything about cars, planes, boats etc. That is why subject matter experts exist. The product lacks what, a for dummies button? It is simple and for the most part idiot proof. It forces updates, has a built in antivirus that is not easily user defeatable. I have personally seen the number of OS related/virus issues plummet in the last year or so. Windows 10 works.

I say again and stand by this. We are seeing the same laggards with windows 7 as we did with windows 10. If you cannot see that, well more power to you.

Also hardware always fails, there will always be a job opening for technicians. That is regardless of what field the tech works in. Other thing them taking responsibility for f'ing everything up doesn't change the necessity of repair.

i hope people say same thing about you :) I'm sure you gonna cherish that. :)

ratirti hope people say same thing about you :) I'm sure you gonna cherish that. :)

I have been called a laggard in times past. They are actually very very frowned upon in the corporate world. The point is to move past that and change. Change isn't bad yet people fear it as if the world will end.

cdawallI have been called a laggard in times past. They are actually very very frowned upon in the corporate world. The point is to move past that and change. Change isn't bad yet people fear it as if the world will end.

I just went to see my parents today as it has been a while and they asked me to look at their computer which they had upgraded to Windows 10. Of course, an update killed it. Not all change is good. ;)

AquinusI just went to see my parents today as it has been a while and they asked me to look at their computer which they had upgraded to Windows 10. Of course, an update killed it. Not all change is good. ;)

LOL irony in that one. Restart a couple of a times and it'll fix itself. People act as if 7 was immune to update based issues...Those are the money makers in the tech industry right now as far as repair goes.

cdawallLOL irony in that one. Restart a couple of a times and it'll fix itself. People act as if 7 was immune to update based issues...Those are the money makers in the tech industry right now as far as repair goes.

It's a little different when you had to run updates yourself versus Windows running them for you and screwing up your machine. I did restart it several times, it was most definitely hosed. Couldn't even get safe mode to work.

AquinusIt's a little different when you had to run updates yourself versus Windows running them for you and screwing up your machine. I did restart it several times, it was most definitely hosed. Couldn't even get safe mode to work.

I have seen that every once in a blue moon, not nearly as often as I have seen 7 croak for dozens of similar issues. Most people also use the default auto update setting for 7 which was just as bad.