Wednesday, November 1st 2017

ZOTAC Avoids NVIDIA GTX 1070 Ti Factory Overclocking Restrictions via OC Profile

NVIDIA's decision to prohibit AIB partners from factory overclocking their GTX 1070 Ti graphics is a decision that may not sit well with hardware enthusiasts, but it's one that makes the most sense from a business perspective. As it is, it's expected that overclocked versions of the GTX 1070 Ti graphics cards, which have come to offer a more compelling NVIDIA option against AMD's Vega 56 graphics card, will offer performance that is by all accounts comparable to that offered by its more expensive (and older) GTX 1080 graphics cards. So NVIDIA is just ensuring that its introduction of the GTX 1070 Ti with its $459 MSRP doesn't cannibalize sales of their higher tier graphics card through higher out-of-the-box performance via factory overclocking.
This generates some issues for AIB partners, since now they have one less data point to help them differentiate their products from competitor's: performance. The only indirect claim to performance they now have is through efficiency of their cooling solutions, but that's a cloudy metric at best; as such, companies are finding ingenious ways to avoid going up against NVIDIA's restrictions, while offering some differentiating factors to their GPUs.

Case in point, ZOTAC will be including, via their FireStorm utility, the ability for GTX 1070 Ti users to select from a cadre of performance profiles that are pre-programmed on the software suite - as opposed to being automatically applied from factory. This means that ZOTAC can comply with NVIDIA's clock demands, while offering users an easily observable way of increasing performance. It's expected that more AIBs will follow suit with this implementation. One example profile that ZOTAC will make available for their GTX1070 Ti AMP! Extreme graphics card unlocks 140% power limit (252 W) and a +150 MHz overclocking on base core clocks, raising the boost clock to 1833 MHz.
Of course, there's always the question of whether or not this actually affects enthusiasts - or most TPU readers - at all. We generally tend towards acquiring the lowest priced option with the best cooling solution so as to allow us to achieve, through manual overclocking, performance levels that AIB partners would never be able to implement on volume production hardware.
Source: Videocardz
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38 Comments on ZOTAC Avoids NVIDIA GTX 1070 Ti Factory Overclocking Restrictions via OC Profile

#1
dj-electric
Here's the kicker and u heard it here, asus basically tells u to overclock their strix models by sticking a sticker on the box that sais its binned
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#2
RejZoR
I tend to avoid ZOTAC because they are incapable of "witchcrafting" an actual working fan curve profile...
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#3
Vayra86
Dj-ElectriC
Here's the kicker and u heard it here, asus basically tells u to overclock their strix models by sticking a sticker on the box that sais its binned
Thats ironic as it is also ASUS that puts out two exact same Strix cards every time of which a cheaper version that cannot be OC'd AT ALL by the user, and then a normal version that costs an arm and a leg.

Bottom line: user overclocking is not prohibited on ANY of the Pascal cards, except on the one model Asus locked down. ONE

Its these:
Asus ROG STRIX-GTX1070-8G-GAMING

'8G' means artificially limited clockspeeds. I believe its 17xx Mhz on this one.
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#4
xkm1948
This is bad news for Vega56.
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#5
Zubasa
xkm1948
This is bad news for Vega56.
Not really, at the price point of these cards, might as well just grab a 1080 for slightly more.
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#6
Vayra86
Zubasa
Not really, at the price point of these cards, might as well just grab a 1080 for slightly more.
And do it quick if you're about to pull the trigger, because I smell a price inflation around the corner for that one.
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#7
Fluffmeister
xkm1948
This is bad news for Vega56.
To be fair, the GP104 was bad news for Vega way back in May 2016.
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xkm1948
Fluffmeister
To be fair, the GP104 was bad news for Vega way back in May 2016.
lol yeah no kidding.

I don't care about vega or pascal now. Gimme volta!!!
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#9
Vayra86
xkm1948
lol yeah no kidding.

I don't care about vega or pascal now. Gimme volta!!!
Inb4 Volta with GDDR5 :D Wouldn't want to cannibalize on Pascal margins now would we
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#10
Fluffmeister
xkm1948
lol yeah no kidding.

I don't care about vega or pascal now. Gimme volta!!!
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#11
xkm1948
Vayra86
Inb4 Volta with GDDR5 :D Wouldn't want to cannibalize on Pascal margins now would we
I want Volta with 5120 CUDA cores. Hmm, that would be amazing.
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#12
Power Slave
Don’t worry nVidia enthusiasts are not buying this un-overclockable GPU. Overclocking and enthusiasts go hand in hand, they’ll pass.

Nvidia did this to squeeze the grapple hold on the monopoly they have. God forbid AMD Vega 56 held a small segment of price / performance competition (after the mining inflation settles down) to them. Business as usuals even if it means undermining thier customers with these type of releases.
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#13
jabbadap
Power Slave
Don’t worry nVidia enthusiasts are not buying this un-overclockable GPU. Overclocking and enthusiasts go hand in hand, they’ll pass.

Nvidia did this to squeeze the grapple hold on the monopoly they have. God forbid AMD Vega 56 held a small segment of price / performance competition (after the mining inflation settles down) to them. Business as usuals even if it means undermining thier customers with these type of releases.
Uhm what are you talking about? There's nothing preventing customers to overclock gtx1070ti:s. Nvidia only bans AIBs selling OC models of them, thus restricts OC bioses. They are actually marketing them as overclocking monsters.
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#14
Power Slave
jabbadap
Uhm what are you talking about? There's nothing preventing customers to overclock gtx1070ti:s. Nvidia only bans AIBs selling OC models of them, thus restricts OC bioses. They are actually marketing them as overclocking monsters.
Huh, only reference. Then why bother with AIB’s? I had reference 690 they aren’t bad noise level, just not as quiet as AIB solutions.
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jabbadap
Power Slave
Huh, only reference. Then why bother with AIB’s? I had reference 690 they aren’t bad noise level, just not as quiet as AIB solutions.
Only reference what? There's punch of custom cards upcoming, with custom pcbs and custom coolers. But all of them have to come with nvidia's default clocks. See i.e. evga's gtx1070tis, all of them have same base boost clocks 1607MHz/1683MHz as is spec'ed by nvidia.
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#16
Vayra86
Power Slave
Huh, only reference. Then why bother with AIB’s? I had reference 690 they aren’t bad noise level, just not as quiet as AIB solutions.
Factory OC is prohibited, manual OC is open. Effectively the AIBs can ship any card in their whole product stack price-wise as a similar 'binned' card because they dont guarantee any kind of OC. Its probably a sign that these really aren't very good ASIC quality GPUs either.
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#17
Vya Domus
Power Slave
Don’t worry nVidia enthusiasts are not buying this un-overclockable GPU.
It's not like their fan base is predominantly made up of enthusiasts. Shelling out your month's paycheck on an expensive video card doesn't make you an enthusiast , as opposed to popular belief.
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#18
EntropyZ
Inb4 Nvidia tries selling cards at low stock clocks just above AMD cards, disallow selling of factory overclocked cards and call them "Best overclocking GPU's in the world". Cracks me up. Their marketing is really great isn't it? Ermagerd, look at what our GPU boost (gimp) 3000 can do!

Their top-tier GPU's are so much ahead of RTG they are limiting the overclocking on purpose since Maxwell. There are other reasons to do it, but this is setting the stage for graphics cards in the foreseeable future. Now cards start to throttle at 70c, what the hell!? What happened to being able to run into 90-100c, run full clocks and be completely fine... It would be more appropriate to be able to turn off these "safety" measures. I don't like how graphics card overclocking is being treated.

I can imagine Volta already having marginal improvements over Pascal in performance when they lock true performance behind a pay-wall. They're just going to boast how performance-per-watt is the holy grail (again) when they put HBM on the die and blow mist into people's eyes.

Not that ranting in a forum helps anyway.
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#19
Vya Domus
EntropyZ
I can imagine Volta already having marginal improvements over Pascal
It is exactly like that , though people still hang on to the hope that they'll see the same jump that was from Maxwell to Pascal.
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#20
jabbadap
Vya Domus
It is exactly like that , though people still hang on to the hope that they'll see the same jump that was from Maxwell to Pascal.
Well by the numbers: Tesla V100/Tesla P100 = 15Tflops/10.6Tflops = 1.415 more fp32 from 300W of power. And you have to remember V100 is larger than P100 and it has more bits to take of for gaming gpu than P100 have. So that coefficient might increase on lesser tdp slots.

Edit: where is tpus gtx1070ti review, anandtech has review up all ready?
www.anandtech.com/show/11987/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-founders-edition-review
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#21
Vya Domus
jabbadap
Well by the numbers: Tesla V100/Tesla P100 = 15Tflops/10.6Tflops = 1.415 more fp32 from 300W of power. And you have to remember V100 is larger than P100
No chance for Nvidia to give you their biggest and most expensive silicon for anything less than 1000$ like AMD does.

Volta will be like the second generation of Kepler , probably even more underwhelming. That is , if they will even bother with it at all.

Volta is also packed with compute features , which they wont make available to the consumer line , so it will be a slightly higher clocked/larger Pascal.
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#22
ZoneDymo
jabbadap
Uhm what are you talking about? There's nothing preventing customers to overclock gtx1070ti:s. Nvidia only bans AIBs selling OC models of them, thus restricts OC bioses. They are actually marketing them as overclocking monsters.
oh only bans pre overclocked cards, yeah nothing wrong with that... go Nvidia...
and lets not forget the artificial limit/ceiling they put on the gtx1000 series in general, yeah nothing wrong with that either.... go Nvidia....

Jeez you are able to swallow a lot.

oh and they actually market them as overclocking monster?
wow its almost as if marketing is suppose to sell cards.. really weird they would not market them as stagnant turds right, or tell the customers their cards are made to not OC too far so they can sell you new card asap and make moar moneyz....
Next thing you will tell me they market 3.5 gb card as 4gb :O
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#23
EarthDog
ZoneDymo
oh only bans pre overclocked cards, yeah nothing wrong with that... go Nvidia...
and lets not forget the artificial limit/ceiling they put on the gtx1000 series in general, yeah nothing wrong with that either.... go Nvidia....

Jeez you are able to swallow a lot.

oh and they actually market them as overclocking monster?
wow its almost as if marketing is suppose to sell cards.. really weird they would not market them as stagnant turds right, or tell the customers their cards are made to not OC too far so they can sell you new card asap and make moar moneyz....
Next thing you will tell me they market 3.5 gb card as 4gb :O
This is a move, by NVIDIA, to thwart Vega 56 sales while not cannibalizing their own 1080... hence the rule to only sell 'reference' clocked 1070Ti's.

AMD has the same limits on them too (power limits).

That said, as jabb already mentioned that users will be able to overclock through software. MSI AB works and so will the gaming app once updated.

The 970 is a 4GB card. 500MB run slower.



Haters gonna hate hate hate.. shake it off, shake it off.. woohooHOO!!!!
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#24
jabbadap
ZoneDymo
oh only bans pre overclocked cards, yeah nothing wrong with that... go Nvidia...
and lets not forget the artificial limit/ceiling they put on the gtx1000 series in general, yeah nothing wrong with that either.... go Nvidia....

Jeez you are able to swallow a lot.

oh and they actually market them as overclocking monster?
wow its almost as if marketing is suppose to sell cards.. really weird they would not market them as stagnant turds right, or tell the customers their cards are made to not OC too far so they can sell you new card asap and make moar moneyz....
Next thing you will tell me they market 3.5 gb card as 4gb :O
What artificial ceiling do you mean? Voltage limit or what? Yeah it's true unlike Maxwell we don't have bios editors so OC capabilities are more limited than last generation cards. But I don't remember seeing that much higher clocks for them even with hard mods crazy vcores and water cooling. So maybe it's just architecture/manufacturing process limit rather than artificial...

And yes gtx1070ti it's not OC monster, by the reviews I have seen. Best OC pascal card was that first titan x and only because of low default clocks.
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#25
Vya Domus
Hard mods can only get you so far , without control over the frequency curve and power limit you are indeed artificially limited.
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