Tuesday, April 17th 2018

AMD Responds to NVIDIA's GPP: AIB Partners to Announce New Radeon-Exclusive Brands

In a blog post on its gaming website, AMD has decided to put on the white gloves for a distinctive strike against NVIDIA's GPP initiative, which has seen rivers of ink and public discussion already. In the blog post, entitled "Radeon RX Graphics: A Gamer's Choice", the company is clearly putting its footing on the same stance it always finds itself positioned to by NVIDIA: the freedom of choice, and freedom of standards side of the equation.

The blog post entirely reads as an anti environment-lock manifesto, extorting the virtues of PC gaming and the open-ended building and assembly of parts from various manufacturers that it's built upon. As a move against NVIDIA's decision to enforce their GPP initiative to lock-in AIB partners towards having an NVIDIA-exclusive brand, AMD has come out of the gates saying that the simple solution is for partners to announce new, AMD-exclusive brands as well. This is logical; was to be expected; and is really AMD's only move out of this forced hand it was dealt with.
AMD's opinion is written on the walls of its blog post, though: "The freedom to tell others in the industry that they won't be boxed in to choosing proprietary solutions that come bundled with "gamer taxes" just to enjoy great experiences they should rightfully have access to." We've already seen one such brand being announced today by ASUS with its AREZ, AMD-exclusive brand. Others will follow suit, and the only thing NVIDIA will likely be left with is users' opinion on whether exactly this was a required move from the company.


AMD's blog post follows in full:

Radeon RX Graphics: A Gamer's Choice
"Our proud pastime of PC gaming has been built on the idea of freedom. Freedom to choose. How to play the game. What to do and when to do it. And specifically, what to play it on. PC gaming has a long, proud tradition of choice. Whether you build and upgrade your own PCs, or order pre-built rigs after you've customized every detail online, you know that what you're playing on is of your own making, based on your freedom to choose the components that you want. Freedom of choice is a staple of PC gaming.

Over the coming weeks, you can expect to see our add-in board partners launch new brands that carry an AMD Radeon product. AMD is pledging to reignite this freedom of choice when gamers choose an AMD Radeon RX graphics card. These brands will share the same values of openness, innovation, and inclusivity that most gamers take to heart. The freedom to tell others in the industry that they won't be boxed in to choosing proprietary solutions that come bundled with "gamer taxes" just to enjoy great experiences they should rightfully have access to. The freedom to support a brand that actively works to advance the art and science of PC gaming while expanding its reach.
The key values that brands sporting AMD Radeon products will offer are:

A dedication to open innovation
AMD works tirelessly to advance PC gaming through close collaboration with hardware standards bodies, API and game developers, making our technologies available to all to help further the industry. Through our collaboration with JEDEC on memory standards like HBM and HBM2, Microsoft on DirectX and Khronos on Vulkan, and through the GPUOpen initiative where we provide access to a comprehensive collection of visual effects, productivity tools, and other content at no cost, we're enabling the industry to the benefit of gamers.

A commitment to true transparency through industry standards
Through industry standards like AMD FreeSync technology, we're providing the PC ecosystem with technologies that significantly enhance gamers' experiences, enabling partners to adopt them at no cost to consumers, rather than penalizing gamers with proprietary technology "taxes" and limiting their choice in displays.

Real partnerships with real consistency
We work closely with all our AIB partners, so that our customers are empowered with the best, high-performance, high quality gaming products and technologies available from AMD. No anti-gamer / anti-competitive strings attached.

Expanding the PC gaming ecosystem
We create open and free game development technologies that enable the next generation of immersive gaming experiences across PC and console ecosystems. These efforts have resulted in advancements such as AMD FreeSync adoption on TVs for Xbox One S or X, integration of forward looking "Vega" architecture features and technologies into Far Cry 5 without penalizing the competition, and inclusion of open sourced AMD innovations into the Vulkan API which game developers can adopt freely.
We pledge to put premium, high-performance graphics cards in the hands of as many gamers as possible and give our partners the support they need without anti-competitive conditions. Through the support of our add-in-board partners that carry forward the AMD Radeon RX brand, we're continuing to push the industry openly, transparently and without restrictions so that gamers have access to the best immersive technologies, APIs and experiences.

We believe that freedom of choice in PC gaming isn't a privilege. It's a right."
Source: AMD Gaming Blog
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113 Comments on AMD Responds to NVIDIA's GPP: AIB Partners to Announce New Radeon-Exclusive Brands

#26
Imsochobo
xkm1948This ^^^.

Plus it always seems to be easier to rush in and defend the "little guy" or the "brave revolution RTG" against big bad green nVidia.

Quoting AdoredTV's latest video, around 18:00. AMD's fan base is some of the most toxic fan base in hardware forum.
Fanboys regardless of camp is just poison, I remember fermi days, was just as bad.

Anyways, Asus cannot brand gaming cards, regardless of brand name under Asus.
Arez is not Asus, Arez is on the side but being pretty much Asus.
Subsidiary kinda deal, Thus they comply with GPP.
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#27
Xzibit
xkm1948This ^^^.

Plus it always seems to be easier to rush in and defend the "little guy" or the "brave revolution RTG" against big bad green nVidia.

Quoting AdoredTV's latest video, around 18:00. AMD's fan base is some of the most toxic fan base in hardware forum.
You do realize he goes on to say that AMD fanboys are so toxic to the point reviewers hate on AMD because of them. WTF!!! (Kind of funny though because he points to his own videos about Vega) Then continues to say AMDs relationship with tech press is bad due to them. Wait what ?
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#28
Kinestron
xkm1948This ^^^.

Plus it always seems to be easier to rush in and defend the "little guy" or the "brave revolution RTG" against big bad green nVidia.

Quoting AdoredTV's latest video, around 18:00. AMD's fan base is some of the most toxic fan base in hardware forum.
I don't frequent Nvidia forums much so I can't really say what AMD fans are doing en masse. The little I checked some of them on reddit, I don't see a whole lot of AMD fans but I can definitely say I see Nvidia people in AMD article comment sections always bragging about your 1080s and 1080 TIs. I'm always left wondering if your product is so great then why on earth are you anywhere near an AMD story, let alone making derogatory comments, instead of enjoying your 100+ fps on Ultra settings???

1060, great card. 1070, great card. 1080, great card. Considering the first two in a laptop if AMD cannot release at least a 570 mobile part soon. As of now, I'm currently enjoying my RX 470 playing ESO. You, I'll be nice and not say what I think.
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#29
Space Lynx
Astronaut
XzibitYou do realize he goes on to say that AMD fanboys are so toxic to the point reviewers hate on AMD because of them. WTF!!! (Kind of funny though because he points to his own videos about Vega) Then continues to say AMDs relationship with tech press is bad due to them. Wait what ?
I just don't understand the need to bully when you already have 80% market share, like you won... but still want to spit in your enemies face... just makes no sense to me.
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#30
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
lynx29I just don't understand the need to bully when you already have 80% market share, like you won... but still want to spit in your enemies face... just makes no sense to me.
AMD isnt going anywhere, they are no 3dfx
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#31
Xzibit
John NaylorA lot of fluff but doesn't really saying anything other than "We can't compete in these performance niches so we'll spout platitudes instead ." Since the subject came up, all I can remember is the commercial for Burger King with the old granny muttering "Where's the beef ?". When nVidia came out w/ PhysX, AMD could have a) produced a competing technology or b) licensed it. When nVidia came out w/ G-Sync, they could have a) produced a competing technology or b) licensed it ...instead they chose c) Create a name similar to G-Sync, only provide a part of the technology and sell the lesser featured package at reduced price. AMD could have included a hardware module in the Freesync monitors, but they chose not to ... some Freesync monitor manufacturers did include such a MBR module but they were not well recived because when the Freesync monitors were able to offer motion blur reduction buy adding the necessary hardware, they no longer had that big price advantage... and AMD never jumped on the MBR bandwagon cause they chose instead to sell on price.

nVidia has been taking more and more control from it's board partners legally, driver wise and physically with successive generations. Now it is willing to give 3rd party vendors a boost by partnering with them to create high performance model lines that customers are willing to pay for. We will write our drivers so as to allow higher clocks, if during the install it detects PCBs that meet certain criteria with regard to voltage control, cooling, etc.

And if they do so, all they are saying that if you are using what we give you to increase mindshare and generate high margins, you can't allow our competitor to take advantage of the branding ***we*** helped you build. This is business as usual in America ... newsflash .... America is a capitalist dog eat dog country... deal with it. If you own a pizza joint, Coca Cola will give you a refrigerator to hold its products... you want to put Pepsi in there, you violate the licensing agreement and we take back OUR fridge.

Where's the beef ? If Asus calls the nVidia line Strix and their Radeon line Arez, so what ? If AMD says that Asus can't not sell an AMD based card called Arez, would there be such a steenk ? Buger King can sell a 1/4 pound burger but thye can not call it "the quarter pounder" There is nothing anti-competitive; nothing more sinister limiting the use of the name then there is about not putting our competitor's products in the free fridge we gave you. In the end, all AMD is saying ... "well we gonna offer free fridges too"... and now when we buy pizza, we'll see two fridges ...one with AMD stuff inside and one with nVidia ... great EXACTLY what I wanted ... a way to read the logo on top of the fridge telling me this is where I can find an nVidia product inside and here's where I can find and AMD product inside. Nothing anti competitive, more like truth in advertising. The nVidia Strix products of recent generations are overclocking by 14 - 31%. The AMD cards are in single digits for the most part. The only thing AMD loses by the name limiting partnership agreement is that no one will be purchasing a product thinking that because their nVidia Strix OC's 25%, their AMD Strix is capable of doing the same.

I hope Intel soon does the same as I am frustrated by confused users sending me proposed 8700k builds with X370 MoBos cause they think X370 is a cheaper version of the Z370.
Nvidia didnt come out with PhysX. Its well known that they bought Ageia to acquire it. Ageia acquired NovodeX to get PhysX
NovodeX (NovodeX Physics) - physics engine, developed by company NovodeX AG (situated in Switzerland), spinoff from ETH Zürich.
NovodeX was choosen by Ageia as software platform to support their upcoming Ageia PhysX PPU card, and in 2004 NovodeX was aquired with all its software developments and personell.
Many NovodeX employees were working in Ageia for years, you can even find some of them (like Dr. Matthias Müller-Fischer, NovodeX AG co-founder, now - PhysX SDK research lead) in NVIDIA PhysX Development group.
Your refrigerator analogy is weird? Coke->Bottlers->Restaurant.
AMD isnt offering a refirgerator too. Asus is making them a brand in-order to comply with GPP.

Quarter Pounder is Trademarked by Mc Donalds 1973

:banghead:
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#32
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
XzibitNvidia didnt come out with PhysX. Its well known that they bought Ageia to acquire it. Ageia acquired NovodeX to get PhysX



Your refrigerator analogy is weird? Coke->Bottlers->Restaurant.
AMD isnt offering a refirgerator too. Asus is making them a brand in-order to comply with GPP.

Quarter Pounder is Trademarked by Mc Donalds 1973

:banghead:
man i love things that will kill me, when i go to mcdonalds or burger king i get a pounder or a quad whopper
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#33
Xzibit
T4C Fantasyman i love things that will kill me, when i go to mcdonalds or burger king i get a pounder or a quad whopper
I hear you and I remember try'n this thing a few years back

Double-Down from KFC


Half-way through I felt my arteries clog. Still didn't learn my lesson.
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#34
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
XzibitI hear you and I remember try'n this thing a few years back

Double-Down from KFC


Half-way through I felt my arteries clog. Still didn't learn my lesson.
LOL
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#36
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
For this GPP assholery alone, my next VGA purchase will be an AMD Radeon, no matter how bad its performance/Watt is.
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#37
xkm1948
btarunrFor this GPP assholery alone, my next VGA purchase will be an AMD Radeon, no matter how bad its performance/Watt is.
Welp you have my ultimate respect then. You go man!
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#38
Patriot
btarunrFor this GPP assholery alone, my next VGA purchase will be an AMD Radeon, no matter how bad its performance/Watt is.
Work in the server industry... Nvidia withholds the Tesla releases from the server vendors for 6mo+ while they sell to Amazon and Google cloud and their own DGX boxes. Used the server vendors to establish themselves and are now competing in a very very dirty manner. They just did it again with the new x16 nvlink box... and they keep asking us for help making their shit scale... fucking assholes the lot of them.
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#39
Unregistered
Seems like 1180 is only 15-20% faster than 1080 ti, so AMD still has a chance of catching up, especially since it seems AMD might refresh vega with 12nm SEPARATING gaming and professional GPUs, which should help their gaming GPU performance in the long run.

For now, I'll just get an Asus vega 64 strix oc and sell it later to upgrade to 12nm (and make a nice profit while I'm at it because of taxes), which is at the very least a better deal for me than a 1080 with a g-sync monitor. I know Asus is part of General Poop Practices, but at least I'm not supporting Nvidia and one extra AMD card from Asus will be more noticeable for them then one less Asus card, so honestly there isn't much point buying a non-GPP manufacturer's cards unless they're cheaper.

Still, I should have some extra budget next year, so hypetrain for Navi it is!
#40
Xzibit
NvidiaGeForce Partner Program Helps Gamers Know What They’re Buying


The GeForce Partner Program is designed to ensure that gamers have full transparency into the GPU platform and software they’re being sold, and can confidently select products that carry the NVIDIA GeForce promise.
Before GPP



After GPP



And thus no one ever confused them from this moment forward. Unlike before.

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#41
dj-electric
btarunrFor this GPP assholery alone, my next VGA purchase will be an AMD Radeon, no matter how bad its performance/Watt is.
*raises both eyebrows*

Go with your brain, not with your heart.
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#42
Vayra86
btarunrFor this GPP assholery alone, my next VGA purchase will be an AMD Radeon, no matter how bad its performance/Watt is.
Pics or it didn't happen
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#43
medi01
FluffmeisterEqually AMD don't want freedom of choice
How to express your hate towards an underdog: 101
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#44
RH92
dj-electric*raises both eyebrows*

Go with your brain, not with your heart.
Yeah for this to happen a brain is needed to begin with ..... :laugh:
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#45
medi01
RH92Yeah for this to happen a brain is needed to begin with ..... :laugh:
You mean a brain is needed to figure when to vote with your wallet? Figures...
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#46
Readlight
i feel like ps4 haw 24 fps next ryzen and 6 gen gpu will be exciting.
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#47
RH92
medi01You mean a brain is needed to figure when to vote with your wallet? Figures...
No i mean a brean is needed to figure that smart peoples buy whatever fits their needs and budget not the brand ....

Vote with your wallet ? You need to know what you are voting for to begin with !
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#48
bug
It was expected AMD should react somehow. Yet of the things they could use, they went with "choice". In a two-players market :wtf:
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#49
Space Lynx
Astronaut
Shouldn't Nvidia be worried if AMD dies though? If they become a true monopoly like Microsoft did, I believe Microsoft was hit hard in the late 90's by the USA government on fines for being a monopoly... can't remember exactly... but I do remember monopolies get punished hard... so it is in Nvidia's best interest AMD stay afloat...
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#50
jabbadap
lynx29Shouldn't Nvidia be worried if AMD dies though? If they become a true monopoly like Microsoft did, I believe Microsoft was hit hard in the late 90's by the USA government on fines for being a monopoly... can't remember exactly... but I do remember monopolies get punished hard... so it is in Nvidia's best interest AMD stay afloat...
Nah amd can't die, Intel won't let that to happen' And if intel really enters to discrete graphics card market, Nvidia has even less reasons to worry. But Intel still can't let amd to die.
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