Tuesday, January 8th 2019

Thermaltake Brings Watercooled DDR4 Memory to Market with WaterRam RGB

Thermaltake at CES has just spread its wings towards another slice of the market: the system memory one. With their new WaterRam, the company is trying to offer a unique product that fuses watercooling and RGB lighting with the memory kits for both seamless performance and looks. Thermaltake says these are the world's first two-way cooling DDR4 memory, with a software-controlled water-block capable of displaying 16.8 million colors with 12 lumens. They say this cooling solutions lowers RAM temperature by 37% "compared to traditional natural passive cooling solutions, which ensures stable and instant performance and longer lifespan."
Thermaltake's WaterRam is the first product the company introduces after making their TT RGB PLUS Ecosystem known, and WaterRam can sync with motherboards from ASUS, GIGABYTE, MSI and AsRock that have a 5V addressable RGB header. The kits are available in DDR4 3200 MHz speeds with 32 GB (8 GB x4) or 16GB density (8 GB x2).
Support for Intel XMP 2.0 is offered, and there's an interesting bit here: "Limited Lifetime Warranty for RAM". Because the lifetime warranty would never be able to cover the waterblock and other parts of the system, which leaves us wondering: what if a part of the watercooling portion fails for these kits?

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24 Comments on Thermaltake Brings Watercooled DDR4 Memory to Market with WaterRam RGB

#2
micropage7
why i feel like actually all that they try to sell just the light effect
you pay more just for light effect than the hardware
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#3
mouacyk
they. must. be. bored.
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#4
eidairaman1
The Exiled Airman
Just sell the waterblock
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#5
PanicLake
Does water cooling rams gives any benefit?
I don't believe it does much...
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#6
ironwolf
GinoLatino, post: 3972292, member: 180136"
Does water cooling rams gives any benefit?
I don't believe it does much...
Just a small guess from the article:
this cooling solutions lowers RAM temperature by 37% "compared to traditional natural passive cooling solutions, which ensures stable and instant performance and longer lifespan."
Lots of PR jargon there though.
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#7
Robcostyle
GinoLatino, post: 3972292, member: 180136"
Does water cooling rams gives any benefit?
I don't believe it does much...
I wouldn't mind ram watercooling (or any cooling at all) - I have tridentz rgb 2x16 b-die sticks, they go hot under load, up to 45C. Though I have custom loop, I can't complain about airflow in system - 2x360 rads, with fans pushing the heat outside - one of the fans placed on top radiator just upside the ram sticks, water heats up to 40-41 MAX at any circumstance, and I have no issues with temps in system at all - exept for DDR4. And any DRAM overclocked to maximum (3200CL14, 3600CL15, 4400CL18 etc) will definitely have stability issues if heated over 39C.

the only problem is - it's a huge headache to watercool your ram.
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#8
champsilva
GinoLatino, post: 3972292, member: 180136"
Does water cooling rams gives any benefit?
I don't believe it does much...
You can keep it cooler, you can also oc.
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#9
simlariver
Robcostyle, post: 3972302, member: 176192"
I wouldn't mind ram watercooling (or any cooling at all) - I have tridentz rgb 2x16 b-die sticks, they go hot under load, up to 45C. Though I have custom loop, I can't complain about airflow in system - 2x360 rads, with fans pushing the heat outside - one of the fans placed on top radiator just upside the ram sticks, water heats up to 40-41 MAX at any circumstance, and I have no issues with temps in system at all - exept for DDR4. And any DRAM overclocked to maximum (3200CL14, 3600CL15, 4400CL18 etc) will definitely have stability issues if heated over 39C.

the only problem is - it's a huge headache to watercool your ram.
Are you insane ?? DDR4 ram does not need any cooling at all, in fact, some of those cosmetic "heatspreadsers" are so bad, the memory is acually cooler without them. 45C is nothing and where the hell did you get that 39C figure for stability ??
Active cooling for DDR2 was a thing, was rarelly worth it for DDR3 and now it's just a meme.
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#10
noel_fs
ironwolf, post: 3972301, member: 94359"
Just a small guess from the article:


Lots of PR jargon there though.
I doesnt i think, i dont really have the data but im guessing that ram gets maybe to 50c, maybe as much as 60c? Thats not keeping it from clocking better, so in the end it does nothing having the ram at 35c

Robcostyle, post: 3972302, member: 176192"
I wouldn't mind ram watercooling (or any cooling at all) - I have tridentz rgb 2x16 b-die sticks, they go hot under load, up to 45C. Though I have custom loop, I can't complain about airflow in system - 2x360 rads, with fans pushing the heat outside - one of the fans placed on top radiator just upside the ram sticks, water heats up to 40-41 MAX at any circumstance, and I have no issues with temps in system at all - exept for DDR4. And any DRAM overclocked to maximum (3200CL14, 3600CL15, 4400CL18 etc) will definitely have stability issues if heated over 39C.

the only problem is - it's a huge headache to watercool your ram.
smh
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#11
Robcostyle
simlariver, post: 3972322, member: 41021"
Are you insane ?? DDR4 ram does not need any cooling at all, in fact, some of those cosmetic "heatspreadsers" are so bad, the memory is acually cooler without them. 45C is nothing and where the hell did you get that 39C figure for stability ??
Active cooling for DDR2 was a thing, was rarelly worth it for DDR3 and now it's just a meme.
Keep your shirt on - I'm telling that because I've seen it for myself. My RAM, XMP rated 3000CL14 doesn't pass even 100% of HCI when temps go over 40C. And don't tell me, I've checked the damn thing 15 times, literally - RAM itself is absolutely fine, total stability after 1000% HCI testing, if one of the conditions met - either it's not overclocked, or if overclocked, temperature must be < 39C.


Noctua fan 1500rpm blowing directly on sticks -> sticks are < 38C - > 1000%HCI completely fine.
Passive cooling -> sticks are up to 45-50C -> 60% HCI FAIL. Easy as can be.
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#12
ebivan
Havent seen an hdd cooler in a long time, but they still try to sell cooled memory to us. This is just stupid.
I just soaked my 32gb of TridentX DDR3 modules in Isopropanol over night to get rid of the riddiculus and childish looking heatspreaders which were getting in the way of some serious cpu cooling. No issues at all, even with high oc.
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#13
silentbogo
LoL. Thermaltake is now borderline insane. I'm wondering what's happening?
Fist, peripherals with voice-controlled backlight. Then, PSUs with IoT-like power/LED control via App. Now, watercooled DDR4...

champsilva, post: 3972303, member: 164164"
You can keep it cooler, you can also oc.
Nowadays it's more abou chip binning, rather than cooling. DDR4 in most cases doesn't even need a heatspreader.

Robcostyle, post: 3972302, member: 176192"
I wouldn't mind ram watercooling (or any cooling at all) - I have tridentz rgb 2x16 b-die sticks, they go hot under load, up to 45C. Though I have custom loop, I can't complain about airflow in system - 2x360 rads, with fans pushing the heat outside - one of the fans placed on top radiator just upside the ram sticks, water heats up to 40-41 MAX at any circumstance, and I have no issues with temps in system at all - exept for DDR4. And any DRAM overclocked to maximum (3200CL14, 3600CL15, 4400CL18 etc) will definitely have stability issues if heated over 39C.

the only problem is - it's a huge headache to watercool your ram.
What kind of RAM? What kind of board? What kind of voltage? How many sticks?
I highly doubt that overheating is your problem.
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#14
Supercrit
3200 CL16 sticks underneath? Yuck.
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#15
zo0lykas
It depends how fast ram is yours if your rams 3200 and below is pointless, just waste of money, one fan one the top can do more job than this crap.

Sure if your rams running over 5000 you will fill different, but but.

Anyway its more like a toy.


GinoLatino, post: 3972292, member: 180136"
Does water cooling rams gives any benefit?
I don't believe it does much...
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#17
Robcostyle
silentbogo, post: 3972355, member: 141875"
What kind of RAM? What kind of board? What kind of voltage? How many sticks?
I highly doubt that overheating is your problem.
G.Skill TridentZ 2x16 3000CL14, 1.35V, 2 sticks, M10H.
I already figured it out - 45C under load IS the problem
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#18
hat
Enthusiast
Hmm... this isn't DDR or DDR2 anymore. Watercooling RAM feels like a gimmick these days. I think it's only useful for CPU and GPU now. I'd love to have a real water setup one day, complete with some ridiculous CPU overclock and Insane Edition video card that comes with a waterblock. But RAM? It'd have to be 5GHz out of the box or something...
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#19
CheapMeat
simlariver, post: 3972322, member: 41021"
Are you insane ?? DDR4 ram does not need any cooling at all, in fact, some of those cosmetic "heatspreadsers" are so bad, the memory is acually cooler without them. 45C is nothing and where the hell did you get that 39C figure for stability ??
Active cooling for DDR2 was a thing, was rarelly worth it for DDR3 and now it's just a meme.
I doubt you're the type to do anything with your RAM worthwhile anyway overclocking wise. Also maybe you didn't know this but "heatspreaders" are called that because that's exactly what they do. It's not a "heatsink" just to cool it, but it's to "spread" the heat, so all the IC's are the same temperature; so there's no big variance.


Nobody on here probably cares but I've seen it proven that heat can cause errors and since most of the RAM folks on here use isn't ECC, it can induce errors into data without knowing it. Maybe it's an issue, maybe not. Meh right? http://bluesmoke.sourceforge.net/heat_gun.html



Plus who cares if it's a gimmick or not? I'm sick of many in the so called "enthusiast" community just being a bunch of cranky jerks about what makes this hobby so great; CHOICES/OPTIONS. Do what you want on your rig and enjoy it. It's even worse when you hear this kind of rhetoric from folks who aren't even actually doing much with their rigs in the first place, such as buying higher clocked or heavily overclocking their RAM (to keep to the topic). So what do you REALLY truly know about it? Just a lot of hearsay. And no, before people get defensive, I'm not saying you need to watercool your RAM.
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#21
CheapMeat
Keep in mind that they probably meant this for the rest of the Thermaltake watercooling ecosystem which has many aluminum options, which has less of an issue with galvanic corrosion (if all the same). They do it to reduce cost for them and the consumer. They didn't just pull this out of thin air.

https://www.thermaltake.com/cooler.aspx
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#22
ComedicHistorian
Pft. BORING. Wake me up when they've got watercooled case screws and watercooled fans for my liquid cooling setup.
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#23
kapone32
Alphacool and EK have had water blocks for RAM for a long time. I actually bought one. not for my RAM but for one of my NVME drives. I know they are not RGB but how much RGB do we really need. THis sounds like the Gamdias RGB PSUs that people buy to put behind the PSU shroud
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#24
silentbogo
bogami, post: 3972788, member: 102090"
The use of materials is miserable. The liquid is cooled through an aluminum plate (chrome plated!). on the way there is a narrowing that will harm the whole circle. Material loss and really just for diode decoration!
It's nickel-plated copper base. Only ther RAM plates and mounting brackets are made of aluminium (no contact w/ water).
The rest of the lineup is also nickel-plated copper. As far as I remember they were usually good about the watercooling part of things... at least 10-15 years ago =)
Bells and whistles (software, RGB, extra features) - not so much.

CheapMeat, post: 3973393, member: 174204"
Keep in mind that they probably meant this for the rest of the Thermaltake watercooling ecosystem which has many aluminum options, which has less of an issue with galvanic corrosion (if all the same). They do it to reduce cost for them and the consumer. They didn't just pull this out of thin air.
It doesn't matter. It's still pointless. You are better off buying just regular RGB sticks or RGB shroud with low-speed fans, cause this thing is not good at actually cooling RAM.
That review @bogami posted clearly shows that TT DDR4 watercooled kit runs pretty much just as hot and just as fast as G.Skill Trident Z at the exact same voltage/bus speed/timings (passively cooled by solar wind from it's uber-bright LEDs).
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