Monday, March 11th 2019

Maxon Sends Legal Threats to PC Enthusiast Websites Hosting Portable Cinebench R20 Downloads

Maxon last week week posted its Cinebench R20 CPU benchmark. Breaking convention, the company behind rendering software such as Cinema 4D R20, did not host the installer of Cinebench R20 on its own website. Instead, the software is being exclusively distributed through Microsoft Store (for Windows) and Apple App Store (for the MacOS platform). Several reputable PC enthusiast websites such as Guru3D and us, were bombarded by comments from their readers that they didn't like having to get their Cinebench R20 copy from "walled garden DRM platforms," and instead preferred portable versions of the software. Cinebench R20 is freeware, and so with good intentions, many PC enthusiast websites decided to build portable versions of Cinebench R20 that people can just unzip and run. Maxon did not take kindly to this.

Guru3D received legal threats from Maxon to take down their download hosting of Cinebench R20 portable. Facing these threats, Guru3D took down their download and amended their news articles with links to the Microsoft DRM store. The e-mail we received politely asked us to remove the "unauthorized download" but did include a threat that the company "reserves the next legal steps." We believe this behavior by Maxon is unfair, and will alienate a section of PC enthusiasts form Cinebench. No record-seeking PC enthusiast with an LN2 bench painstakingly set up has time to plug their machine to the Internet, launch the UWP store, evade attempts to get them to log in with a Microsoft account, and fetch Cinebench R20 with versions they have no control over. They'd rather install and run their benchmarks and tools off a flash drive, with control over versions, and the ability to keep their machines offline to stabilize their overclock. Many others simply hate DRM platforms for freeware. TechPowerUp has since taken down Cinebench R20 portable from its Downloads section. You can find it on Microsoft UWP Store.
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148 Comments on Maxon Sends Legal Threats to PC Enthusiast Websites Hosting Portable Cinebench R20 Downloads

#26
Litzner
EuroTy said:
DRM-free ? Walled garden ? Why the hell did you installed Windows 10 in first place ? Just use Linux if don't like it. The thing is that for the end-user is much easier to press one button than 3-4.
I would love to use Linux as my primary gaming OS, but its just not there as far as support goes yet. Not enough works and works well on it :( I am not sure if it ever will be there, it kind of seems like Steam is slowing it's Linux gaming push.

Vayra86 said:
Inb4 massive complaints of broken Coffee Lake OC's :D

Linpack is brutal. Though I agree, its a good one and pretty stable across many years too.
Linpack is still my top choice for testing OC stability. I always stabilize in Linpack before anything else, then check a few other things, then just use my computer as normal and see if I run into any problems.
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#27
FreedomEclipse
~Technological Technocrat~
I mean it's not as if websites were charging for or making money off portable versions of FREE software

Seems like quite a dick move to say the least. It reminds me of when EA scrambled to shut down the company that was keeping BF2 and BF:Heroes alive
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#28
ironwolf
Whew, glad I totally didn't download it from a certain website the day it was posted. :pimp:
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#29
phanbuey
Well, that's one way to become irrelevant I guess.
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#30
Athlonite
windwhirl said:
People's problem with Microsoft Store seems somewhat... exaggerated.
In my case it's not I can't install a single thing from the store without getting an error code: 0x80070005 or 0x80070015 (if I uninstall PowerISO) so for me the portable DL was great it means I din't have to dick around with the stupid store
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#31
Voluman
Well, i am honestly curious about the results of different hardware, but if they dont provide an accaptable answer for this than im not sure it deserve the effort to use it anyway.
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#32
delshay
Capitan Harlock said:
This is idiotic at lvl 9000.
I'm still rocking Windows 7 and i'm gonna use it until it dies .
How i was suppose to download it from the MS Store?
Someone didn't switch on the brain .
Glad i got it before was removed.
Same here. i'm on Win 7 & I had to download from another website to get it installed.
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#33
Prince Valiant
W1zzard said:
i'm seriously considering that for my reviews and will just stick with R15 unless overwhelming requests for R20

Either they want to mine the MS Store installation data for statistics, or they have some sort of exclusivity contract with MS, which I find hard to imagine, given how niche CineBench is. Could also just be some noob beancounter people there who have no idea how their benchmark is used in the community. In the end all they care about is money from rendering people for their Cinema4D software, not hardware enthusiasts
Please do.
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#34
moproblems99
W1zzard said:
i'm seriously considering that for my reviews and will just stick with R15 unless overwhelming requests for R20
rtwjunkie said:
@W1zzard I would rather see you not use R20 in any reviews. Just stick with R15 or another program.
I concur.
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#35
Regeneration
NGOHQ.COM
Cinebench became popular thanks to tech sites like TPU and Guru3D. If Maxon sends legal threats, you shouldn't promote Cinebench.

Let's face it, the OpenGL benchmark was a joke. Cinebench was only useful for CPU benchmarking, and there are plenty of alternatives out there.
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#36
natr0n
I got my portable copy ala tpu. :) .

Very odd they locked into MS Store.
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#37
hat
Enthusiast
Welp, looks like Maxon shot themselves in the foot on this one.

Next!
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#38
Fx
Fahad said:
"Unfair"? It's their proprietary software, and they have every right to decide how it gets distributed. And considering it's free, people really shouldn't be complaining.
What the hell are you confused about? Just because someone has the right to decide distribution or make their product free doesn't mean that consumers of the product have to like all aspects of the distribution, collection, privacy or use. Yes, they can move on to another product, but that is also of their own opinion and discretion.

Let's just say, if a company pisses enough people off, they won't have interested parties in its use and then well, they just lost their cause for RND of the product didn't they?
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#39
Jism
I think MS is paying vendors to make use of the App-store only. They cant just put a product exclusive to the appstore only like that.
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#40
MrGenius
If anybody wants/needs it PM me.
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#41
CrAsHnBuRnXp
Guess i shoulda grabbed this while I could. Looks like I wont be downloading it at all then.
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#42
Gasaraki
W1zzard said:

That doesn't look like "marked as not for resale"
Free doesn't mean you can resell it...
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#44
Tsukiyomi91
"free for all" isn't free when you have to agree to EULAs or T&Cs. Bet one of those lines no one would read has obviously stated that one do not have the rights to modify, copy, broadcast or distribute a software/product/media unless the company/devs/publisher are fine with that.
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#45
MrGenius
Gasaraki said:
Free doesn't mean you can resell it...
Who said anything about reselling it? By definition you can't resell something that was free. Since it was never sold in the first place. And nobody is trying to sell it after having received it for free.

re·sell
/rēˈsel/
verb
verb: resell; 3rd person present: resells; past tense: resold; past participle: resold; gerund or present participle: reselling; verb: re-sell; 3rd person present: re-sells; past tense: re-sold; past participle: re-sold; gerund or present participle: re-selling

sell (something one has bought) to someone else.
"products can be resold on the black market for huge profits"
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#46
lexluthermiester
Fahad said:
"Unfair"? It's their proprietary software, and they have every right to decide how it gets distributed. And considering it's free, people really shouldn't be complaining.
Some people don't and won't use the "Windows Store", because (A) they are not running Windows 10, (B) they prefer not to use "Apps" model of software distribution or (C) they have privacy concerns and refuse to use the Windows Store as a result. There are likely more reasons someone might avoid Microsoft's to-little-to-late approuch to software distribution.

Litzner said:
I would love to use Linux as my primary gaming OS, but its just not there as far as support goes yet. Not enough works and works well on it :( I am not sure if it ever will be there, it kind of seems like Steam is slowing it's Linux gaming push.
The only area of software where that is true is gaming. Everything else has excellent options for every sector of computing.
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#47
Tsukiyomi91
privacy is irrelevant once you say/clicked "I agree" to every EULA/T&C/TOS... Linux won't save mere normal users when adoption rate & compatibility is still nowhere as mainstream as Windows.
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#48
crazyeyesreaper
Chief Broken Rig
W1zzard said:
i'm seriously considering that for my reviews and will just stick with R15 unless overwhelming requests for R20


Either they want to mine the MS Store installation data for statistics, or they have some sort of exclusivity contract with MS, which I find hard to imagine, given how niche CineBench is. Could also just be some noob beancounter people there who have no idea how their benchmark is used in the community. In the end all they care about is money from rendering people for their Cinema4D software, not hardware enthusiasts
While Cinebench is useful looking at this as is I might switch to Blender 3D and do a scene render, testing single and multi-core that way via render times. Since it can be made portable, is freeware and isn't apparently run by idiots. I might switch. This handles the 3D rendering aspect just fine and then add in Luxmark for GPU / OpenCL.
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#49
MrGenius
GUIDE: How to make your own portable version of Cinebench R20
  1. Download the MAXONComputerGmbH.Cinebench_20.0.4.0_x64__rsne5bsk8s7tj.appx as described in post #44 of this thread.(Thanks @OneMoar :))
  2. Use the .appx to install the app(left click on it and select Install).
  3. Go to C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\MAXONComputerGmbH.Cinebench_20.0.4.0_x64__rsne5bsk8s7tj and copy the bin folder.
  4. Paste the bin folder wherever you want to keep your portable version(needs to be saved somewhere else if you're going to uninstall the app afterwards, which will delete it).
  5. OPTIONAL: Rename the bin folder to whatever you want and uninstall Cinebench R20 via Settings > Apps > Apps & features.
For some reason you need to install it with the .appx to get a working portable version. It doesn't work as portable if you extract the bin folder from the .appx. You need to get the bin folder after installing it(as I described above). But, temporarily installing it is a reasonable compromise IMO. Until someone figures out what gets changed in the bin folder during install. I couldn't find anything with a quick look see.

EDIT: Same basic process applies if you install it from the Microsoft Store.
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#50
damric
Well thanks I already snagged the file from you last week, just in time I guess :lovetpu:
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