Thursday, July 30th 2020

Arm China Goes Rogue, Ex-CEO Blocking the Business

Arm Ltd., owned by Softbank, has a division specially tailored for China, called Arm China. That division used to operate in Shenzen and it cooperated with Chinese customers. Today in a surprising turn of events, we have information that UK-based Arm Ltd. accuses Arm China ex-CEO of blocking its business, as the Chinese division goes rogue. The Arm China division used to have Mr. Allen Wu as its CEO, who was fired back in June. However, Mr. Wu has refused to cooperate and refused to step down from his position, remaining in control of the business without the consent of UK-based headquarters.

The situation has escalated to a point where Mr. Wu is "propagating false information and creating a culture of fear and confusion among Arm China employees," says Arm in a statement for Bloomberg. "Allen's focus on his own self-preservation has also put China semiconductor innovation at risk as he has attempted to block the critical communication and support our China partners require from Arm for ongoing and future chip designs." It is also said that Mr. Wu has refused to hold an event meant to connect Chinese chipmakers to Arm Ltd. He has hired personal security so no Arm Ltd. representatives can get to him. It is a waiting game to see how well Arm Ltd. can manage this situation, so we have to wait and see.
Source: Bloomberg
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69 Comments on Arm China Goes Rogue, Ex-CEO Blocking the Business

#26
trparky
Fluffmeister
Not really a surprise, trusting the Chinese with IP is like trusting Hitler to organise a bar mitzvah.
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#27
xkm1948
R-T-B
actually, it's MIPS they've been using, not ARM.

And can we cut the OT Trump dialog?
Agree with you. One can see the amazing result of media conditioning. People not even gonna bother to read the article to make a haste conclusion.
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#28
Bones
Nater
........We've been getting sold out for 40 years........
At least since 1979 when the first trade deal/agreement was made between the US and China.

Point:
You don't go from fighting a country for decades to being "Friends" in just 4 short years. The Vietnam war ended in 1975 and the Chinese had been sending troops in against us (U.S.) all that time and earlier in the Korean war. In both conflicts Chinese soldiers were well involved..... But we weren't "Officially" at war with them at any time.
Eversince China was taken over by the CCP in 49 they have been at odds with the rest of the world in some form or another. This is just the latest move, undoubtedly backed and sanctioned by the CCP as part of it's plan of "Manifest Destiny".

Make of it what you will but I already know to never trust China.
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#29
BArms
China being allowed to join the World Trade Organization in 2000 caused a massive landslide of manufacturing capacity from the US to China. Bill Clinton sold us out on that one, and there were a lot of greedy and foolish politicians who did too. We literally allowed a country with slave labor practices to take over most of our manufacturing base, while all the people getting filthy rich from it all were telling us it was a great move for America to lose it's manufacturing base and become a service economy only. So is Trump that bad? no, and maybe if we're very lucky in a few years then most PC parts/medical equipment manufacturers might be able to start up mfg plants in the west so we dont' have to depend on a communist dictatorship for parts or medical supplies anymore.
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#30
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
even if they do steal IP and split, wouldn't the main ARM company just keep making better IP while the china one runs out of the old design? I don't know how it works but arm UK or US doesn't have to keep sharing new tech right? so wouldn't the china version just become obsolete over time?
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#31
trparky
BArms
maybe if we're very lucky in a few years then most PC parts/medical equipment manufacturers might be able to start up mfg plants in the west so we dont' have to depend on a communist dictatorship for parts or medical supplies anymore.
It was really stupid of us to move the manufacturing of medical equipment to other countries. Everyone knows how when COVID-19 started the infighting among the various countries started as well. Everyone was scrambling for masks, gloves, and other various PPE along with ventilators which a vast majority of the manufacturing was moved to China which just so happened to be the country that started this whole freakin' mess to begin with.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, a country that doesn't produce its own stuff is a country that's beholden to other countries. All it would take is a trade deal to go wrong and your country is screwed.
T4C Fantasy
wouldn't the main ARM company just keep making better IP while the china one runs out of the old design?
And who's to say that China won't steal more?

The whole world needs to come down HARD on China with sanctions so bad that their great grandchildren will feel it.
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#32
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
trparky
It was really stupid of us to move the manufacturing of medical equipment to other countries. Everyone knows how when COVID-19 started the infighting among the various countries started as well. Everyone was scrambling for masks, gloves, and other various PPE along with ventilators which a vast majority of the manufacturing was moved to China which just so happened to be the country that started this whole freakin' mess to begin with.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, a country that doesn't produce its own stuff is a country that's beholden to other countries. All it would take is a trade deal to go wrong and your country is screwed.

And who's to say that China won't steal more?

The whole world needs to come down HARD on China with sanctions so bad that their great grandchildren will feel it.
would sanctions even matter with them anymore? we don't want war and don't want to hurt our economy even more, I don't care for politics, but isn't it true that we need them more than they need us?
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#33
moproblems99
T4C Fantasy
would sanctions even matter with them anymore? we don't want war and don't want to hurt our economy even more, I don't care for politics, but isn't it true that we need them more than they need us?
In the short term. We only need then as long as it takes to spin up manufacturing. Depends on how hard we want to shoot for it. Frankly, I would almost support another massive loan from China just to kick the process off. Also a mid term solution for unemployment.
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#34
prtskg
T4C Fantasy
even if they do steal IP and split, wouldn't the main ARM company just keep making better IP while the china one runs out of the old design? I don't know how it works but arm UK or US doesn't have to keep sharing new tech right? so wouldn't the china version just become obsolete over time?
Why wouldn't they improve on what they have?
This is going to be a big incident. It would be interesting to see how this plays out. If CCP explicitly supports this man, will/can anyone actually do anything, aside from some heated speech?
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#35
Bones
moproblems99
In the short term. We only need then as long as it takes to spin up manufacturing. Depends on how hard we want to shoot for it. Frankly, I would almost support another massive loan from China just to kick the process off. Also a mid term solution for unemployment.
This is a problem that won't be solved quickly.

For example, they have the means and know how to manufacture ball bearings - We do not and as far as I know ATM we don't even know how to do it anymore either. Even if we still know how there's the issue of the facilities, machines, training the workforce to do it and so on to deal with.

That tech was sent overseas to them along with practically everything else they didn't steal, the facilities and so on disappeared (No longer needed at the time) and we're now in a dependent state of being..... Just as the CCP had planned all along.

It's simple fact - You don't manufacture and sell, you don't thrive and that was something the CCP learned long ago and manipulated things in their favor over time, hence the current situation.
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#36
claes
The CCP’s “plan,” lol. The US willingly gave away all of those jobs. I have no love for China but let’s not pretend this situation wasn’t willful, deliberate decision making on multiple other actors parts.

More, China had produced more steel than the rest of the world had in its entire history by the early 2000’s. Sure, on the backs of ostensibly slave labor, but they’re a producer, and capitalist par excellence (re: China is uniquely bad, see every other rapid industrialization).
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#37
moproblems99
Bones
This is a problem that won't be solved quickly.

For example, they have the means and know how to manufacture ball bearings - We do not and as far as I know ATM we don't even know how to do it anymore either. Even if we still know how there's the issue of the facilities, machines, training the workforce to do it and so on to deal with.

That tech was sent overseas to them along with practically everything else they didn't steal, the facilities and so on disappeared (No longer needed at the time) and we're now in a dependent state of being..... Just as the CCP had planned all along.

It's simple fact - You don't manufacture and sell, you don't thrive and that was something the CCP learned long ago and manipulated things in their favor over time, hence the current situation.
Not disagreeing either. But look what we had before 1941. Look what we had in 1945.

We won't even get into rare earth metals.
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#38
trparky
claes
The US willingly gave away all of those jobs.
No doubt, our politicians and CEOs sold this country down the river.
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#39
moproblems99
claes
The CCP’s “plan,” lol. The US willingly gave away all of those jobs. I have no love for China but let’s not pretend this situation wasn’t willful, deliberate decision making on multiple other actors parts.
Also this. The American consumer wanted cheaper and the American shareholder wanted more profit. It was an 'amicable' necessary evil at the time.
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#40
Bones
claes
The CCP’s “plan,” lol. The US willingly gave away all of those jobs. I have no love for China but let’s not pretend this situation wasn’t willful, deliberate decision making on multiple other actors parts.

More, China had produced more steel than the rest of the world had in its entire history by the early 2000’s. Sure, on the backs of ostensibly slave labor, but they’re a producer, and capitalist par excellence (re: China is uniquely bad, see every other rapid industrialization).
They don't do anything without a reason behind it.
The Chinese aren't dumb, CCP or otherwise - Can't say the same however for the business leaders here along the way.

You are correct in that those jobs were given away willingly, that's true but they also had to convince the owners (Businessmen) they would want to.
And of course they did.

Those guys coudn't see anything past the $$ signs thrown in their face and the CCP knew that would be the case when they did it.
So here we are.
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#41
trparky
moproblems99
The American consumer wanted cheaper and the American shareholder wanted more profit.
All because people wanted cheap shit on Walmart shelves. You can't drive the price down lower yet maintain a proper profit margin.

Take an average broom, yes... a broom. You know, that think you use to sweep the floor with. A cheap Chinese broom costs $10. How long will it last until the bristles have turned to crap? Meanwhile, if you had bought an American-made broom you're probably going to pay more for it but in the end, you'll probably be passing it down to your children decades later.
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#42
Diverge
Just image what will happen if the whole US, and the rest of the world protests against companies that do business with China.... The smart companies already started moving out of china long before the covid crisis. Now bills are being put through to fine corporations that use slave labor. China's days of making bank off the rest of the world are coming to an end sooner or later.
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#43
trparky
Diverge
China's days to making bank off the rest of the world are coming to an end sooner or later.
Good!
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#44
Diverge
moproblems99
Also this. The American consumer wanted cheaper and the American shareholder wanted more profit. It was an 'amicable' necessary evil at the time.
This wasn't really driven by the american consumer. It was driven by the 1%. Those who benefited the most from this are the CEO's and VIPs, all who's salaries went up exponentially over the years. Instead of making $100,000's they make millions, and get golden parachutes when they ruin companies...
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#45
trparky
Diverge
This wasn't really driven by the american consumer.
You can't sit there and tell me that the average Walmart shopper didn't contribute something.
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#46
Diverge
trparky
You can't sit there and tell me that the average Walmart shopper didn't contribute something.
They aren't the ones who put things in motion. I guess you can say that every consumer who buys anything also contributed. but there is no choice, since nothing is made in the US anymore but military stuff.

The person who shops at walmart buy's cheap chinese stuff. The person who shops at an upscale store buys expensive chinese stuff w/ a better name brand slapped on it. Sometimes you get better quality by corporations that enforce better QC, but it's all the same crap pretty much.
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#47
moproblems99
Diverge
This wasn't really driven by the american consumer. It was driven by the 1%. Those who benefited the most from this are the CEO's and VIPs, all who's salaries went up exponentially over the years. Instead of making $100,000's they make millions, and get golden parachutes when they ruin companies...
I'll disagree with you there and concede it isn't 50/50. But consumers share some fault between 20-40%.
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#48
InVasMani
Diverge
Just image what will happen if the whole US, and the rest of the world protests against companies that do business with China.... The smart companies already started moving out of china long before the covid crisis. Now bills are being put through to fine corporations that use slave labor. China's days of making bank off the rest of the world are coming to an end sooner or later.
That's overly optimistic...however Americans on average are overly fat and lazy.
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#49
Bones
trparky
You can't sit there and tell me that the average Walmart shopper didn't contribute something.
Problem is Wal-Mart came to town and shut 'em all down, as in anyone that was competition to them.

Where I used to live we had two grocery stores that had been in business for years, knew the owners of both and so did everyone else. Wal-Mart opened up in the next town over and it wasn't long before both were gone.
You can blame the shoppers (True) but at the same time you can't blame them for wanting something that was cheaper.
It was the same for the local clothing store, general retail (Western Auto) and almost everyone else afterwards.
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#50
trparky
Bones
Problem is Wal-Mart came to town and shut 'em all down, as in anyone that was competition to them.
That's true.
Bones
You can blame the shoppers (True) but at the same time you can't blame them for wanting something that was cheaper.
No, I can blame them, and I will blame them. Local business is the lifeblood of a community, it's what gives communities vibrance. Take that away and you have nothing more than just corporate this and corporate that and where's the fun in that?
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