Monday, March 15th 2021

NVIDIA RTX 3060 Hashrate Limiter Defeated, GeForce 470.05 Driver Unlocks Full Mining Performance

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 hash-rate limiter has been defeated, by the company itself, through a driver update. The RTX 3060 was announced by NVIDIA to be meant purely for gamers as it came with measures that make them unviable for mining. The card purportedly had a hash-rate limiter that detected workloads from typical crypto-currency mining algorithms, and spooled down GPU clock speeds, halving the mining efficiency of the card. The idea was to sour the milk for miners, so there could be inventory for gamers. PC Watch reports that the latest GeForce 470.05 drivers distributed by NVIDIA to developers through the Windows Insider Program defeats the hash-rate limiter, significantly improving mining performance of the RTX 3060. With this driver out in the open, miners are sure to pick up RTX 3060 cards to go with it; and simply ignore all future driver updates through NVIDIA's official driver channel.

HardwareLuxx.de and ComputerBase have each independently verified that GeForce 470.05 drivers "restore" mining performance on RTX 3060 cards back to levels their hardware is capable of—roughly matching that of the RTX 2070 Super. This development confirms that the hash-rate limiter was purely driver based, and NVIDIA hoped to artificially throttle mining performance of RTX 3060 cards by simply adding this limiter to all compatible versions of GeForce drivers since the card's launch; but those behind the 470.05 special drivers probably forgot to implement it. Probably because it is based on a different branch of the source code, which is developed in parallel. NVIDIA earlier claimed that the hash-rate limited is a much more sophisticated mechanism involving a "secure handshake between the driver and system-firmware that prevents tampering." So much for that.
Sources: PC Watch, HardwareLuxx.de, ComputerBase.de, VideoCardz
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111 Comments on NVIDIA RTX 3060 Hashrate Limiter Defeated, GeForce 470.05 Driver Unlocks Full Mining Performance

#26
PaulieG
TheUn4seen
Wait, did you really think corporations care about you or any consumer? It never worked like this. Honestly, if I was weaving and selling baskets, I really wouldn't care if you used my product to blow up a kindergarten, as long as you paid in full. Corporations care even less. It's all about marketing and believe me, sincerity never had any place in the market.
Most any luxury hobby that involves high end products are pretty much marketed by the consumer, reviewers and influencers. I have a large private gym attached to my home. One piece of strength training equipment I own cost me $1400 2 years ago. It now sells for $2600 when it's in stock because people still buy it at inflated prices and it's a raved about machine. I'm also an avid mountain biker, and luckily I bought my newest high end bike a year and 1/2 ago because now it sells for $650 more than it did and at last check there was a 6 month wait on the model because it is well reviewed and people will still pay for it. Corporations don't care, and will always charge you what you're willing to pay and are not above dramatizing actual supply chain issues.
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#27
mechtech
I think everyone called that one............................
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#28
thesmokingman
mechtech
I think everyone called that one............................
I don't think anyone called who would defeat the limiter, especially Nvidia themselves rofl.
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#29
InVasMani
All your cryptocurrency are belong to base.
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#30
Chloe Price
windwhirl
Too late, someone already grabbed them and it's probably distributing them somewhere as we speak.
This. What you put on the internet, will remain on the internet.
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#31
marcomarti
2021--: After 20 years of electronic revolution I could become a miner.
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#32
RedelZaVedno
PaulieG
Most any luxury hobby that involves high end products are pretty much marketed by the consumer, reviewers and influencers. I have a large private gym attached to my home. One piece of strength training equipment I own cost me $1400 2 years ago. It now sells for $2600 when it's in stock because people still buy it at inflated prices and it's a raved about machine. I'm also an avid mountain biker, and luckily I bought my newest high end bike a year and 1/2 ago because now it sells for $650 more than it did and at last check there was a 6 month wait on the model because it is well reviewed and people will still pay for it. Corporations don't care, and will always charge you what you're willing to pay and are not above dramatizing actual supply chain issues.
I never considered DIY PC building as a luxury hobby and now I'm priced out of the market :) Joking aside, I've been assembling DIY PCs since 1992 and I could always get something reasonably priced with decent performance until 2016 mining craze happened and everything went downhill from then on. I always laughed when people argued that PC gaming is coming to an end but now I'm not so sure anymore. There was never a time when MSRP mid range GPU exceeded price of a whole gaming console and not being faster on top of that. There is a limit what most PC gamers are willing to pay before they abandoning gaming altogether or migrate to consoles and we're beyond that point imho.
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#33
GAR
oh Fk these miners already.
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#34
kruk
LOL, this is basically a "We care about miners" driver ... So now miners will be able to choose between CMPs and RTX cards, while gamers will be left with overpriced leftovers.
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#35
Dyatlov A
I think Nvidia did intentionally this mistake, because for their partners better to sell the GPUs behind the market. Now miners have the driver for forever for 3060. And it is very unwelcome for earth supporting more CO2 emission, because of nonsense mining.
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#36
Rage Set
Dyatlov A
I think Nvidia did intentionally this mistake, because for their partners better to sell the GPUs behind the market. Now miners have the driver for forever for 3060. And it is very unwelcome for earth supporting more CO2 emission, because of nonsense mining.
While I don't condone mining, based off your assertion, when I game with my gpu, it's zero emissions? What about video editing?
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#37
TheUn4seen
PaulieG
Most any luxury hobby that involves high end products are pretty much marketed by the consumer, reviewers and influencers. I have a large private gym attached to my home. One piece of strength training equipment I own cost me $1400 2 years ago. It now sells for $2600 when it's in stock because people still buy it at inflated prices and it's a raved about machine. I'm also an avid mountain biker, and luckily I bought my newest high end bike a year and 1/2 ago because now it sells for $650 more than it did and at last check there was a 6 month wait on the model because it is well reviewed and people will still pay for it. Corporations don't care, and will always charge you what you're willing to pay and are not above dramatizing actual supply chain issues.
Well, pragmatic pricing at it's best. Do you want to make a millennial socialist screech with anger? Tell him that most items are priced at whatever the market will bear - while it's not entirely true, for some reason this phrase really makes some less intelligent people angry. Honestly, if I could sell a sip of water for a thousand euros to thirsty people, I would have no problem doing it - and in corporate world it's nothing. My wife is a corporate analyst/auditor and she freely admits that if kidnapping children and selling their organs would be profitable in a long term, every corporation would do it. Actually, I could use a reasonably priced, healthy kidney...
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#38
CandymanGR
PaulieG
Most any luxury hobby that involves high end products are pretty much marketed by the consumer, reviewers and influencers. I have a large private gym attached to my home. One piece of strength training equipment I own cost me $1400 2 years ago. It now sells for $2600 when it's in stock because people still buy it at inflated prices and it's a raved about machine. I'm also an avid mountain biker, and luckily I bought my newest high end bike a year and 1/2 ago because now it sells for $650 more than it did and at last check there was a 6 month wait on the model because it is well reviewed and people will still pay for it. Corporations don't care, and will always charge you what you're willing to pay and are not above dramatizing actual supply chain issues.
So now pc gaming has became a luxury hobby. Right.
I thought luxury hobby was for example collecting expensive cigars, not overpriced pieces of silicon.
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#39
Vayra86
the54thvoid
I no longer care. I've given up on any further PC upgrades. The entire tech environment has gone to shit and the big corporations don't care who buys their products (oddly enough). Both Nvidia and AMD have been entirely disingenuous with their committments to PC gamers.

Screw them.
Do you really believe the gaming and DIY market will fall on its ass because we mine a few crypto coins now, and people are sore out of luck for a GPU upgrade for a few months?

Come on. Give it a night's rest :D This will recover, I have zero illusions. There is demand, simple, and the current supply isn't equipped for the vastness of it right now. This cannot last, all growth ends at some point, and generally then gets the reality check.

All I do is look forward to my bargain bin priced GPU in the future. And I light a candle every night for my 1080, talk a little bit to it, and cuddle it goodnight.
CandymanGR
So now pc gaming has became a luxury hobby. Right.
I thought luxury hobby was for example collecting expensive cigars, not overpriced pieces of silicon.
Gaming was always a luxury hobby, but the entry point was kids and not adults.

Its definitely luxury.. and certainly not a cheap hobby. Never was. If anything the price of entry has gone down massively. You can game on a phone :clap::fear:
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#40
the54thvoid
Vayra86
Do you really believe the gaming market will fall on its ass because we mine a few crypto coins now, and people are sore out of luck for a GPU upgrade for a few months?

Come on. Give it a night's rest :D This will recover, I have zero illusions.
Eh?

You seem quite capable of extrapolating posts to make a new hypothesis. Where did I say gaming would collapse? I said I've lost interest. That I've given up on upgrades. I stated they (Nvidia and AMD) don't actually care about gamers (they don't). At what point did I even mention gaming would fall on it's ass? Stop creating narratives that people don't post.
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#41
Vayra86
the54thvoid
Eh?

You seem quite capable of extrapolating posts to make a new hypothesis. Where did I say gaming would collapse? I said I've lost interest. That I've given up on upgrades. I stated they (Nvidia and AMD) don't actually care about gamers (they don't). At what point did I even mention gaming would fall on it's ass? Stop creating narratives that people don't post.
My apologies. It just follows on the idea that Nvidia and AMD wouldn't care.

I think they DO care, because after crypto, that's their market again.

And beyond that... about narratives, you seemed mostly agitated that companies somehow lied to you through their recent actions. But maybe I'm wrong.
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#42
DeathtoGnomes
CandymanGR
So now pc gaming has became a luxury hobby. Right.
I thought luxury hobby was for example collecting expensive cigars, not overpriced pieces of silicon.
pc gaming has been a luxury for, what seems like, forever. Us/We Real Gamers have known that since 1974 ( just an arbitrary year :p ).
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#43
Vanny
I am so surprisedn't
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#44
CandymanGR
Vayra86
Do you really believe the gaming and DIY market will fall on its ass because we mine a few crypto coins now, and people are sore out of luck for a GPU upgrade for a few months?

Come on. Give it a night's rest :D This will recover, I have zero illusions. There is demand, simple, and the current supply isn't equipped for the vastness of it right now. This cannot last, all growth ends at some point, and generally then gets the reality check.

All I do is look forward to my bargain bin priced GPU in the future. And I light a candle every night for my 1080, talk a little bit to it, and cuddle it goodnight.


Gaming was always a luxury hobby, but the entry point was kids and not adults.

Its definitely luxury.. and certainly not a cheap hobby. Never was. If anything the price of entry has gone down massively. You can game on a phone :clap::fear:
"Not a cheap hobby" and "luxury" are two different things. A really expensive hobby is for example karting (which is MUCH more expensive than... some intentionally overpriced gpu's).
Luxury is a different thing.
Entry level is not gaming on a phone. Thats low end! Are you serious? What the f? Gaming was NOT expensive until 2 years ago. A 300 euros card is still viable (GTX 1060 6gb in 1080p is perfectly fine still). Then the whole fiasco with mining came for 2nd time, and now a GTX 1660 S costs 600 euros. Its even worse. But dont try to tell me gaming was expensive. It never was.
I can name ALL the systems i have build over the years. More than 25 GPU's it was just for myself. It NEVER was expensive as you imply.
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#45
Vayra86
CandymanGR
"Not a cheap hobby" and "luxury" are two different things. A really expensive hobby is for example karting (which is MUCH more expensive than... some intentionally overpriced gpu's).
Luxury is a different thing.
Entry level is not gaming on a phone. Thats low end! Are you serious? What the f?
Perhaps. But let's rewind.... early PC GPUs weren't cheap. What came after that, wasn't cheap.

Right now, you can game at 1080p with a relatively low-end GPU just fine. The cost of entry has really not gone up. It has gone down. Currently, gaming is unobtanium for everyone - we know this. But that's not the norm, is it? In my personal experience, the norm was and still is, that gaming is coming in through every crack it finds in devices where it can somehow run. PC games are getting ported to phones now. Yes. Low-end? Certainly! But the movement is clear.

And entry level... is entry level. We can find a few dozen more words for it... low-end definitely is much the same as entry level. Entry level is console level, fixed devices basically. It could be a phone. It could be a Switch. It could be a crappy PC leftover from somewhere. Entry level is certainly not 'mid range PC' because those demands grow with every gen. If that is your definition of gaming then yes, its certainly expensive to even begin... and maybe even luxury? :D
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#46
CandymanGR
DeathtoGnomes
pc gaming has been a luxury for, what seems like, forever. Us/We Real Gamers have known that since 1974 ( just an arbitrary year :p ).
My God. really? Yes i paid 150$ in today's money for my C64 in 1985.
I paid 180$ in today's money for my Atari 520 STFM.

Oh yeah.. Soooo expensive!

P.S. You are not the only... old guy here.
Vayra86
Perhaps. But let's rewind.... early PC GPUs weren't cheap. What came after that, wasn't cheap.
I use to buy my own GPU's with my own money while i was still a student. Gaming GPU's i mean, not like Cirrus logic 5428. It wasnt expensive.
3dfx voodo was a bit expensive until nvidia came with TNT2 (same price, did include video output) and fucked them up with Geforce. On the contrary, back then the cheapest solution won (nvidia). It wasnt fastest.
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#47
Vayra86
CandymanGR
I use to buy my own GPU's with nmy own money while i was still a student. Gaming GPU's. It wasnt expensive.
Define expensive. Right now you can find GPUs for 180 MSRP just as well. And they do a lot more.

Every time we see someone dive into the actual numbers, what we get is pretty much the same price point corrected for inflation since the inception of PC gaming. Some peaks, some lows... but the trend is still that we're either maintaining certain price levels, or that they go down, or that you get more while paying the same.

That's not 'getting more expensive' in my book. You can't expect that growth to last forever, physics has its limits...

Don't misread me - I feel you, I live with the same emotion tbh, but if you take a step back, and zoom out a bit more than 2020-2021, this is just a fly on the wall and gaming has been growing since forever, and likely will. It can't do that if GPUs remain this expensive, or if no alternatives are found. The market will readjust.

Oh and BTW... the C64 and Atari were consoles. Definitely not PCs with dedicated GPUs as they are in this discussion.
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#48
CandymanGR
Vayra86
Define expensive. Right now you can find GPUs for 180 MSRP just as well. And they do a lot more.

Every time we see someone dive into the actual numbers, what we get is pretty much the same price point corrected for inflation since the inception of PC gaming. Some peaks, some lows... but the trend is still that we're either maintaining certain price levels, or that they go down, or that you get more while paying the same.

That's not 'getting more expensive' in my book. You can't expect that growth to last forever, physics has its limits...
So there is no inflation in prices because of mining then, right?

You have some nerve asking this. "Expensive" is paying 600 euros for a card with MSRP of 200. Which part exactly you dont understand?
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#49
Vayra86
CandymanGR
So there is no inflation in prices because of mining then, right?

You have some nerve asking this. "Expensive" is paying 600 euros for a card with MSRP of 200. Which part exactly you dont understand?
You're acting as if I priced those GPUs at 600. Read the above, my last ninja-edit.

I'm not there to troll you saying all is well in the world or anything. I see the problem. But I also define it as a temporary one.
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#50
TheoneandonlyMrK
birdie
I fully support the reversal of the decision to artificially limit mining performance. The limit never made sense in the first place.

GPUs have stopped being graphics accelerators over a decade ago, they are massively parallel computing devices and must continue to perform this way.

And neither NVIDIA, nor AMD can control where their GPUs go. Period. Whoever believes this is possible should go and make this possible.

Of course AMD fans, again AMD fans, will rejoice and slander NVIDIA as always. It's not as if AMD really sells any high-end GPUs but who cares? NVIDIA is bad!

Fanboys are among the worst people in this world.
Hmnnn defence posture Z = ?.


Totes ball's ,defeated by incompetence, though the pr speak will no doubt paint it asss good for gamer's.
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