freeagentI still want one, but I cannot justify it..

Well I can but I will get in trouble :laugh:

I could not totally justify my 5950X to be hornestly either. In fact I could not justify the entire system I built last year.

But computers are my hobby and the pc I have now was a dream. So I justified it all by combine getting at least one dream to come true and that it's a hobby and hobbies can be expensive.

So for you to get a 5950X with out getting in trouble. Can your wife even se the difference from a 5950X over a 5900X (i don't know how computer capable she is)?

Else how much more expensive would a used 5950X be with lower price they go for new now and selling your 5900X to differ out the price cost. Just saying.



And yes I am trying to get you in to trouble:p. Well maybe. What's most important, getting in to trouble and for filling a dream or make your wife happy. You deside.

I have to reply when I get home just doing my cleanup real quick so evening shift has a smooth transition

Divorce very wow so broke.

I couldnt sell my 5900X lol. I listed it locally 3 times and all 3 times I was lowballed pretty hard and pulled the ad. Now if I want to sell it would have to be for at least half of what I paid for it.. I would rather run it into the ground if I’m honest lol. Now that I am running two systems I have to be careful how much I spend, because this is my main hobby again and it is really easy to just blow cash.. last time I checked I have like 4K or so tied up in two systems when I said I was just going to build one lol.. still need a GPU :D

Bah..

freeagentI couldnt sell my 5900X lol. I listed it locally 3 times and all 3 times I was lowballed pretty hard and pulled the ad. Now if I want to sell it would have to be for at least half of what I paid for it.. I would rather run it into the ground if I’m honest lol. Now that I am running two systems I have to be careful how much I spend, because this is my main hobby again and it is really easy to just blow cash.. last time I checked I have like 4K or so tied up in two systems when I said I was just going to build one lol.. still need a GPU :D

Bah..

There's a few schools of thought on this whole thing of spending money on hobby gear, but there's really one in particular has really worked for me. All it involves is asking myself two questions: 1) How much is this product going to enrich my life? And 2) how long will it maintain that increased level of enrichment? Surprising how much clarity the answers can provide. Generally answers that are less convincing would indicate that it is, in fact, not an important purchase (and only justifiable as a splurge). Personally I was eyeing off an upgrade from the 5600X to 5900X but gave up on that idea because realistically even 10 years from now I wouldn't be doing any workloads that benefit from the increased multi-threaded capability. Nothing that the 5600X can't handle.

And now I'll go back to drooling over the Dark Rock Pro 4 on promo at the moment that I really don't need.....:laugh:

I'll probably wait until the 2nn node processors come out to buy the 3nn node CPU:)

ARFThe Ryzen 9 5950X is still the fastest PC x86-64 processor out there.


Core i9 12900K processor review - Performance - Content Creation Blender (guru3d.com)

For more benches look at the review - follow the link..

Cherry picking one result doesn't make one CPU "the fastest processor out there". The review from here show the 12900K as faster than the 5950X in Blender, probably because the memory used, 2x16 GB DDR5 5200 MHz (CL40) on Guru3D and 2x 16 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6000 36-36-36-76 2T Gear 2 on the test here on Techpowerup. Also even on Guru3D the 12900K is faster on Cinebench MT, when considering other tests, like the one from Guru3D using DDR4 3600(CL16), benchmarks from GN, HUB/Techspot, and others, in reality the 12900K is similar to the 5950X in MT performance, losing or winning depending on the application tested and the memory used, but a lot of people don't do only MT tasks and at gaming(which I personally think is not important, but many think it is) and ST tasks the 12900K is faster.
The 5950X is a great CPU, and really efficient on top of that, even though it's slower than the 12900K in ST tasks, it makes up for it by performing similarly to it while using half the power in full loads, but cherry picking one graph where the 5950X wins and calling it "the fastest PC x86-64 processor out there", which also ignores AMD own Threadripper lineup, just looks bad.

On topic: $500 is a good price for the 5950X, about the same price as the 12900F, so you have the choice between a CPU that is a bit faster than the other while using close to half the power in full loads, and one that is less efficient in full load but faster in ST and gaming.
The 5900X still a bit too high in my opinion, for $312 you can get the similar performing at MT tasks 12700F, which at least according to Techspot testing uses about the same amount of power as the 5900X, and is also faster in games and ST tasks. The 5900X for around $300 would be a more competitive.
But anyway, good to see AMD prices finally starting to match Intel. The 5900X costing $450~500 while you could get the 12700F for ~$315 was a joke. Hopefully neither AMD nor Intel overprice their upcoming CPUs, it would be way better to be able to choose between 2 good options, rather than being forced into one because the other is too expensive.

KaitouXCherry picking one result doesn't make one CPU "the fastest processor out there".

I didn't use TPU review because I think it doesn't represent the true real world performance but is heavily biased towards Intel as if Intel sponsors the review.
Then, I will pick all the results which show the 5950X as the fastest. It is not only one.

The power consumption:
Ryzen 9 5950X ~ 227 watts
Core i9 12900K ~320 watts



And test results:

Competitive gamers --> 5800X3D/12900K
Single player gamers --> 5600/5700X/12600/12700F
Single player gamer + Productivity --> 5900X/5950X/12900

It's not competitive vs single-player, it's high-refresh monitor or not.

60/75/100Hz don't need anything special in the CPU department, but driving a display above 144Hz starts to put a serious burden on the CPU, depending on game. At 240Hz you are going to need to spend more on your CPU in most games.

I also object - gamers spend on budget for the processor - something like a quad or hexa core is their usual choice.

Chrispy_It's not competitive vs single-player, it's high-refresh monitor or not.

60/75/100Hz don't need anything special in the CPU department, but driving a display above 144Hz starts to put a serious burden on the CPU, depending on game. At 240Hz you are going to need to spend more on your CPU in most games.

Display refresh has nothing to do with FPS at all, no competitive gamers play with capped framerates even if they have 360hz monitor, higher FPS --> lower input latency and more up-to-date frame

I play CSGO and DOTA at 200+FPS on a 60hz monitor years ago, you would be crazy to play at 60FPS

More info here
Watch at 8:00 mark, playing with uncapped FPS is the best way to play competive games.

Vice versa, you don't need to push 144FPS in single player game, even when you have 144hz display, Highest visual settings at 60-100FPS are best for single player games.

5950X is perfectly fine for gaming. Unless you absolutely need the highest graphical detail settings there are plenty area's to adjust settings to reduce CPU overhead. That's outside of simply reducing the resolution a bit and/or upscale. The GPU is normally the biggest bottleneck anyway.

I'm hoping for it to hit $500 from a reputable seller; then I'll bite. It'll be a solid upgrade to tide me through 2, maybe 3 generations of AM5 and time for other programs to get in gear and start making more use of multi-threading. After the reviews involving the 5800X3D and seeing how well the updated node helped it even while locked, I'm hoping that newer batches of 5950Xs are also on a newer node, granting further efficiency/performance gains at same clocks.

TechLurkerI'm hoping for it to hit $500 from a reputable seller; then I'll bite. It'll be a solid upgrade to tide me through 2, maybe 3 generations of AM5 and time for other programs to get in gear and start making more use of multi-threading. After the reviews involving the 5800X3D and seeing how well the updated node helped it even while locked, I'm hoping that newer batches of 5950Xs are also on a newer node, granting further efficiency/performance gains at same clocks.

The 5800x3d is not on a different node, not even what is usually refered to as 6nm, it's still the same 7nm and zen3 arch as the other Ryzen 5000 processors.

These prices are indeed very tempting, it really makes me wonder how much better zen4 will be for them to be dumping stock so hard. I mean, it's overdue for processors closing on 1 year and a half on the shelfs that "feel" almost 2 gens behind because AMD skipped a year, but damn. I'm feeling a strong gear acquisition syndrome with these prices but my processor is fine so I'll try to wait for further cuts or leads on zen4 performance