Wednesday, September 21st 2022

EVGA Announces Cancelation of NVIDIA Next-gen Graphics Cards Plans, Officially Terminates NVIDIA Partnership

Towards the latter half of August, multiple EVGA employees involved in technical marketing and engineering had let us know privately that they were leaving the company for other ventures. When pushed further, several hinted towards some decisions being made by EVGA's management, including CEO Andrew Han, that would jeopardize their future. Some even went far enough to say they would share more in a few weeks time about how they felt exactly about their time there, the various issues that kept them from doing their best, and also that at least a couple of ex-employees were let go. TechPowerUp was doing due diligence in collecting the facts while keeping emotions aside from contacts who were understandably not in the best of moods, and one thing common across the board was there was something major coming up dealing with the EVGA GPU product line.

Today EVGA decided to throw a massive curve ball by formally announcing the company is canceling its plans to carry the next generation of graphics cards. Given EVGA's revenue sheets point to nearly 80% contribution from being an NVIDIA add-in card partner, this effectively also means an end to a long partnership with NVIDIA. The company's CEO confirmed as much to a few media channels citing poor margins and a challenging, stressful relationship that was no longer fruitful. There are no plans for EVGA to partner with AMD or Intel at this time when it comes to graphics cards and the company stressed they will continue to sell and support current-gen GPUs having retained enough units for RMA purposes too.
Jon Peddie Research also speculates EVGA is going to shift its priorities towards power supplies and motherboards instead that allow for higher margins and a more uniform, predictable sales pattern. Time will tell how EVGA, and indeed NVIDIA too who now has to re-distribute its GPU allocation among other partners and retail solutions, will come out of this split. It certainly does not seem to be an amicable one and we do not expect the partnership to resume anytime soon. This also affects companies who were no doubt planning on accessories for EVGA-branded GPUs, such as custom watercooling blocks from the usual suspects such as EKWB, Alphacool, and Bitspower.
What About Existing Customers
All existing owners of EVGA graphics cards will remain fully covered by warranties, including full replacements if needed. The company has withheld inventory of EVGA graphics cards from retailers (and will probably recall some perfectly-functional cards), so it has buffer stock to serve existing customers in need of total replacements or RMA.

What EVGA's Future Looks Like
EVGA CEO Andrew Han stated that the company has no plans as of now to partner with another GPU manufacturer like AMD or Intel, and the exit from the graphics card business will trigger an "imminent downsizing" of the company (to shed employees associated with the graphics card business). This could also be a subtle hint to AMD and Intel that if they're looking to work with EVGA, they should express interest right now.

Graphics cards made up over three-quarters of EVGA's revenue, and so we're not sure what the company could do next. If one were to speculate, the company could increase its presence in the prebuilt notebook and gaming peripherals businesses, and probably even ride the growth-cycle in the power-supply market with ATX 3.0 and PCIe Gen 5. Next-generation high-end graphics cards are expected to trigger upgrades among those with PSUs 4 years or older, as older PSUs, particularly mainstream ones, will find it hard to deal with the power excursions (spikes) of high-end PCIe Gen 5 graphics cards. The company could also retain its PCB engineering team to further develop its motherboard business. But all these are just speculation. Unless EVGA significantly invests in its other businesses, it's done.

How does this affect NVIDIA in the North American market?
EVGA was particularly popular in the North American market, among DIY PC enthusiasts. Other NVIDIA partners such as ASUS, could attempt to fill its void, but the distinct industrial design of EVGA will be lost, as would features such as iCX; and EVGA-exclusive customer programs such as trade-in upgrades. NVIDIA may also attempt to bring in new partners to the North American market to fill EVGA's void, such as GALAX (Galaxy), or Colorful, which are both major graphics card OEMs in the Chinese market. It will now fall on them to match the design and quality standards EVGA established. EVGA's exit will have minimal impact on NVIDIA's bottom-line, as those in the market for a GeForce graphics card will ultimately buy one from whichever brand.

NVIDIA's first reaction to this development is as follows:
"We've had a great partnership with EVGA over the years and will continue to support them on our current generation of products. We wish Andrew and our friends at EVGA all the best."
EVGA's full statement is as follows:
EVGA CEO Andrew HanEVGA has terminated its relationship with NVIDIA. EVGA will no longer be manufacturing video cards of any type, citing a souring relationship with NVIDIA as the cause (among other reasons that were minimized). EVGA will not be exploring relationships with AMD or Intel at this time, and the company will be downsizing imminently as it exits the video card market. Customers will still be covered by EVGA policies, but EVGA will no longer make RTX or other video cards. The company already made, 20 EVT samples of EVGA RTX 4090 FTW3 cards, but will not be moving to production and has killed all active projects pertaining to cards, including KINGPIN cards.
According to JPR, EVGA was the best-selling NVIDIA AIB in the US market, with a market-share of nearly 40%. NVIDIA would have lead its board partners to take its place.

Update Sep 21st: KINGPIN, a long time associate of EVGA, behind some of their fastest boutique graphics cards and motherboards, posted a note of gratitude for all the fans of EVGA + KINGPIN, and stated that KINGPIN Hardware may continue in some form.
I'm thankful for all the industry friends, old colleagues, etc. that reached out. It means a lot and I appreciate it. The news isn't received well ofc, and I'm mostly sorry for the fans and people that are passionate for our brand and everything that we have done here over the years at EVGA. If the KP hardware is meant to continue on in one way or another, I'm sure that it will :). The EVGA and PC hardware enthusiast community have been great to me and my teams here over the years, THANK YOU.
Update Sep 21st: Jensen Huang responded to a question about his thoughts on EVGA in a Q&A session today:
Jensen HuangYou know, Andrew (EVGA CEO) wanted to wind down the business, and he's wanted to do that for a couple of years. Andrew and EVGA were, are great partners and we're great partners, and I'm sad to see them leave the market. But, he's got other plans and he's been thinking about it for several years, so I guess that's about it. The market has a lot of great players and it will be served well after EVGA, but I'll always miss them, they were an important part of our history, Andrew is a great friend. I think that it was just time for him to go do something else."
Sources: Jon Peddie Research, Gamers Nexus, EVGA, Tae Kim (Twitter)
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536 Comments on EVGA Announces Cancelation of NVIDIA Next-gen Graphics Cards Plans, Officially Terminates NVIDIA Partnership

#526
Valantar
lexluthermiesterBecause sales taxes in the US are handled on a region by region basis. Some places in the US don't have sales tax at all. It would be INSANELY difficult to try posting prices including sales tax here. Does that make sense?

It's not illusion, it's practicality. Everyone who lives in a region were sales taxes are collected, knows or has easy access to what those tax rates are and can easily calculate or estimate. For example if the price before taxes is $499 and there is a 6% tax the calculation would go something like 499 X 1.06 = 528.94. It's not magic or a conspiracy and it's not difficult for a person to do.
There is still something to be said about this being a rather harebrained system though - especially as sales taxes are just about as fair and evenly distributed a tax as you get, matching taxation to consumption. But with the US both historically and currently being the nexus of all kinds of strange libertarian experiments I guess a federal sales tax would probably be seen as overreach by a lot of people.
DeathtoGnomes15 feet seprate me and a 6% city tax in addition to State and/or Federal. People lie about their addresses just to avoid those taxes.

But how did this thread become about taxes? Not everyone is grown up (read: OLD FART) enough to know how taxes work, I still get confused...:nutkick:
Not knowing exactly how they work is one thing, another is being told "US MSRPs don't have taxes included, so they're lower than EU prices which include VAT" and then refusing to even engage with that idea when trying to figure out why prices are higher elsewhere.
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#527
lexluthermiester
ValantarThere is still something to be said about this being a rather harebrained system though
Not at all. In the US, there is no taxation without representation. It comes down to communities determining their own taxation rates. Taxes are adjusted up and down from time to time as is needed for civic resource necessities.

VAT taxes are more simple but end up being very high for people in areas that have less economic advantage.
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#528
Valantar
lexluthermiesterNot at all. In the US, there is no taxation without representation. It comes down to communities determining their own taxation rates. Taxes are adjusted up and down from time to time as is needed for civic resource necessities.
... every US citizen is represented by the federal government (unless they refuse to acknowledge it, in which case they should really give up their citizenship and emigrate if they are that principled), so that doesn't even add up as an argument.
lexluthermiesterVAT taxes are more simple but end up being very high for people in areas that have less economic advantage.
This is also vastly simplistic, as a flat, large-scale (e.g. federal or state-wide) VAT allows for redistribution of wealth from wealthier, higher consumption areas to poorer, lower consumption ones. After all, consumer spending on VAT-applicable goods and services (not rent or mortgages, in other words) is vastly higher in higher income areas than in poor areas, which means the tax burden of VAT is quite evenly distributed as taxes go.

Your argument also has a crucial blind spot: that it inherently carries with it the idea that wealth belongs within strict geographical borders, an idea that inherently favors the wealthy in their ever-more-restrictive enclaves. Of course, the US has been the poster child for this for decades already, with vast differences in basic services like schools, libraries, roads, utilities, parks, and a whole lot more. This is a fundamentally antidemocratic structure, as it allows the wealthy minority, who have the means to more easily relocate, gather in places where they can then enact local laws to protect their wealth from the "threat" of a small portion of it being fairly redistributed to those less fortunate.
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#529
lexluthermiester
Valantar... every US citizen is represented by the federal government (unless they refuse to acknowledge it, in which case they should really give up their citizenship and emigrate if they are that principled), so that doesn't even add up as an argument.

This is also vastly simplistic, as a flat, large-scale (e.g. federal or state-wide) VAT allows for redistribution of wealth from wealthier, higher consumption areas to poorer, lower consumption ones. After all, consumer spending on VAT-applicable goods and services (not rent or mortgages, in other words) is vastly higher in higher income areas than in poor areas, which means the tax burden of VAT is quite evenly distributed as taxes go.

Your argument also has a crucial blind spot: that it inherently carries with it the idea that wealth belongs within strict geographical borders, an idea that inherently favors the wealthy in their ever-more-restrictive enclaves. Of course, the US has been the poster child for this for decades already, with vast differences in basic services like schools, libraries, roads, utilities, parks, and a whole lot more. This is a fundamentally antidemocratic structure, as it allows the wealthy minority, who have the means to more easily relocate, gather in places where they can then enact local laws to protect their wealth from the "threat" of a small portion of it being fairly redistributed to those less fortunate.
I'm SOOO not getting into this debate, it's off topic anyway. Let it go.
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#530
Dr. Dro
The key omission is the distributor's cut. AMD and NVIDIA generally only operate directly in the NA (US/Canada) and Western Europe (UK, Germany and France), other countries have importers/middlemen that take a cut of their own.
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#531
DeathtoGnomes
ValantarNot knowing exactly how they work is one thing, another is being told "US MSRPs don't have taxes included, so they're lower than EU prices which include VAT" and then refusing to even engage with that idea when trying to figure out why prices are higher elsewhere.
When people realize prices vary all over the world will self-destruct trying to figure the why.
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#532
simlife
"Graphics cards made up over three-quarters of EVGA's revenue"

they like any med to large company was overcharging over msrp by a lot evga is a bad company overall dont let anyone say otherwise... and this would not exist if the crypto market wast still high
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#533
Forza.Milan
really love reading all these comments, backwards :clap:
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#534
Valantar
simlife"Graphics cards made up over three-quarters of EVGA's revenue"
... yes, GPUs are a large market and generally cost quite a lot - much more than PSUs (EVGA's other core market) - and sell in quite high quantities. Three quarters of revenue, yet PSUs represent nearly as much total profit? That says something about profit marigns here.
simlifethey like any med to large company was overcharging over msrp by a lot evga is a bad company overall dont let anyone say otherwise... and this would not exist if the crypto market wast still high
According to data provided to and checked by about as trustworthy journalists as this industry has covering it, their profit marigns for GPUs for AIB partners have been minimal at best, especially at the high end. Most GPU profits during the mining boom went to chipmakers, distributors and retailers. If EVGA had been raking in money and having an easy time through the shortage, it's rather unlikely that this would have happened.
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#535
Chomiq
Dr. DroThe key omission is the distributor's cut. AMD and NVIDIA generally only operate directly in the NA (US/Canada) and Western Europe (UK, Germany and France), other countries have importers/middlemen that take a cut of their own.
Their presence in EU was almost non-existent for the past 2 years, seeing how majority of GPUs went to the US. You were better off ordering something from 3rd party sellers than EU EVGA store.
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#536
Keullo-e
S.T.A.R.S.
ChomiqTheir presence in EU was almost non-existent for the past 2 years, seeing how majority of GPUs went to the US. You were better off ordering something from 3rd party sellers than EU EVGA store.
Hm, feels like that their cards were just as common as any other manufacturers' cards here in Finland.
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