Genuine DX10 games are like half a year away thats why AMD was taking it slowly.

I bet ya that AMD's gonna have a totally different product line than what we have thought.

From what information we have gained over the months on the R600 release, does anyone know which models of the cards (if any) are likely to require dual 6 pin PCI-E input like the 8800GTX?

I heard all this scaremongery a while back about the huge power draw on the top end cards, if that was anything like a realistic article it must mean some will be dual PCI-E driven surely?

GLDFor me it's not to little to late. I haven't bought my DX10 card yet because I have been waiting on AMD/ATi's cards. I thought they were supposed to be here in February or so, but hey I can still wait. I am not aware of any DX10 games at the moment anyways. So imo, at the moment, a G80 card is somewhat a wast of money. They aren't exactly cheap in most peoples wallets. Sure they crush a DX9 title and they may do a pretty good job with the DX10 titles, but we don't know yet (remember the GeForce FX cards anyone?) No matter how tempting a 8800GTS looks to me, I fell the smart choice is to wait for the competition.

lol keep waiting.. and when these come out there will be something else to "wait for" lol.. In the meantime I am loving my 8800 gts 320 and well.. your.. uhm.. waiting..lol..
"smart" is a matter of perspective I suppose.. I don't think everyone whos been waiting for these ati cards is going to feel very smart if they can't keep up with the geforce 8 series.. which by the way it is looking more and more like they can't.. better stability.. i bet ati has that.. better graphics.. i doubt it... we'll get the stability worked out though.. :D

D007lol keep waiting.. and when these come out there will be something else to "wait for" lol.. In the meantime I am loving my 8800 gts 320 and well.. your.. uhm.. waiting..lol..
"smart" is a matter of perspective I suppose.. I don't think everyone whos been waiting for these ati cards is going to feel very smart if they can't keep up with the geforce 8 series.. which by the way it is looking more and more like they can't.. better stability.. i bet ati has that.. better graphics.. i doubt it... we'll get the stability worked out though.. :D

When ATI releases their cards nvidia will most likely drop prices to compete. So instead of paying $350 for an 880GTS you could be paying say $300 (just as an example). So the people who have been waiting all this time to get a DX10 card will get them CHEAPER than those that had to be on the bleeding edge of technology. That's what I call smart thinking, loyalty to your wallet.

Dos101When ATI releases their cards nvidia will most likely drop prices to compete. So instead of paying $350 for an 880GTS you could be paying say $300 (just as an example). So the people who have been waiting all this time to get a DX10 card will get them CHEAPER than those that had to be on the bleeding edge of technology. That's what I call smart thinking, loyalty to your wallet.

As he said....smart is in the "eye of the beholder", your point is a valid one but for that $50 dollars you used as an example he has had superb gaming for several months now.

Also people seem to think that NVidia will lower their prices to compete......what makes everyone so sure that they will need to? Their pricing may be already competitive with the ATi/AMD offerings on release performance wise for all we know and anyways, they can afford to make their prices so competetive that ATi loses out on the bulk of the market share as NVidia have already made Billions out of the 8800 series, they are now making money on the 8500/8600 series and just after the R600 launch they will probably make a lot more out of the 8900 series.

Thats not fanboi stuff on my part honestly, I say that because I am actually holding out for R600 to see what it has to offer (I have never liked just one player in any market), the point is that whether you perceive the hugely delayed release of the R600 as ATI/AMD holding out for decent driver support (which TBH I doubt) or perhaps because they couldnt quite get the performance right or even because they got their hands on the 8800 and thought......."Cr*p this is good, we need to up our game" they are still behind, I want them to catch up because until then WE don't see the real benefit of having 2 major players in the market.

True, it is all a matter of perspective. And I'm only speculating about the price drop, it would make senese if they did though to even further put ATI out of the game, plus the G80 series has been out for about 6 months so it's due for a price drop (not sure if there's been one yet, haven't followed the cards to closely lol).

I do not understand how people can say G80 beats out the R600. Are these people time travelers? The R600 has not been launched yet. Few actually have their hands on the reference cards. The guys that have the reference cards are probably running drivers that are considered beta and so not fully tuned and optimized. Untill the public gets their hands on the R600's and official drivers I would not consider the early pre-release benchmarks as fact.

D007lol keep waiting.. and when these come out there will be something else to "wait for" lol.. In the meantime I am loving my 8800 gts 320 and well.. your.. uhm.. waiting..lol..
"smart" is a matter of perspective I suppose.. I don't think everyone whos been waiting for these ati cards is going to feel very smart if they can't keep up with the geforce 8 series.. which by the way it is looking more and more like they can't.. better stability.. i bet ati has that.. better graphics.. i doubt it... we'll get the stability worked out though.. :D

and how would nvidia g80 owners feel when dx10 games are common and your stuck running in dx9 mode to be stable or get acceptable perf because nvidia did another FX line and made a card that is technicly capable of dx10 but sucks at it?

your assumption is that g80's a great buy for dx10, the reasion people are flocking to them and so intrested in the r600, but we still got no dx10 games to test, and demos and such ARE NOT GAMES.
nvidia could put out dx10 demos but guess what, they put out dx9 demos that ran pretty good on the fx line to, but we all know how "well" the fx line ran REAL dx9 games........

dont assume anything, you will be happyer.

also, if you use history as a meter, ati will have better stab AND image quility.

and NEVER buy anything for its future standred support such as dx10 when dx10 isnt even around yet, i and many others had that strongly reinforced when we got our high end fx line cards and then the 9500/9600 raped them to hell and back!!!!!! not to mention the 9700......nvidia has ur $ they arent in any hurry to give you good drivers, i love how they removed tv out and such from current drivers........wow really sweet....HAHA

i bought a card featuring a future standard that wasnt released, it was a 9700pro, and it owned lol

yes but alot of people bought the fx line for the same reasion(pc mag and the like caused alot of problems then, hence i still dont trust them)

the 9700 was a hell of a card, But again, ati hasnt put out a card for a future standred that wasnt good for what it was put out to do, nvidia has, and bigtime.

i wouldnt buy a dx10 card till dx10 games are tested and i have proof of design :)

Ashen, you are basing your points/comments on his assumptions and to do that you are making assumptions, only one thing is certain, the 8800 is and has been here for 6 months, just because ATi/AMD has taken 6 months longer to release theirs does not actually mean:

1. They are faster in DX9 or DX10
2. They will have better IQ
3. They will have stronger supportin DX10/Vista
4. They will be better bang for Buck

To Beleive any of these are meerly assumptions, what we do know is that Nvidia.....love them or hate them has made Billions already and Ati have lost out to date, as I said in an earlier post, I want the R600 to be better than the 8800, because then we the consumer are better off in many ways but for people (not aimed at you specifically but in general) to criticise NVidia for putting something on the market that millions of people wanted 6 months before it's main competitor is ludicrous, and to taint that by refering back to past mistakes, making assumptions that because R600 has taken an extra 6 months to release was purely becuase ATi wanted to get it right therefore it must be faster and/or better supported again is pure assumption, lets wait till the cards arrive, I will be buying one if the price is competative, has better support and are better Bang for Buck, all else is really pretty futile until they arrive.

And perhaps all of us are overlooking one thing?..........the best method to deduct if a card is a good one is to ask those people who own one and from what I can see most 8800 owners are very happy with what they have, many of those current owneres have owned ATi cards before this one so why do people not beleive them when they say the card is good!

8800 is a great card, only thing I want to see is performance in dx10.. since I think all theses dx10 cards will do well enough in dx9.. I "figure" atis cards will match up to thier previous gen cards in dx9 if not better.

I'm happy that I can wait around now with my gt @ 660/810 I can play all (all I tried) at max settings with no lag. I can hold off for another 4+ months now :).

8800>ATI atm, looks better from what people say.. and thats a nice improvement but I'll wait.