Saturday, January 28th 2023

NVIDIA RTX 4090 Ti / RTX TITAN (Ada) Pictured, Behold the 4-slot Cinder Block

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Here's the very first picture of an alleged upcoming NVIDIA flagship/halo product to be positioned above the GeForce RTX 4090. There are two distinct brand names being rumored for this product—the GeForce RTX 4090 Ti, and the NVIDIA RTX TITAN (Ada). The RTX 4090 only uses 128 out of 144 (88 percent) of the streaming multiprocessors (SM) on the 4 nm "AD102" silicon, leaving NVIDIA with plenty of room to design a halo product that maxes it out. Besides maxing out the silicon, NVIDIA has the opportunity to increase the typical graphics power closer to the 600 W continuous power-delivery limit of the 16-pin ATX 12VHPWR connector; and use faster 24 Gbps-rated GDDR6X memory chips (the RTX 4090 uses 21 Gbps memory).

The card is 4 slots thick, with the rear I/O bracket covering all 4 slots. The card's display outputs are arranged along the thickness of the card, rather than along the base. The cooler is a monstrous scale-up of the Dual-Axial Flow Through cooler of the RTX 4090 Founders Edition. The card is designed such that the PCB doesn't come up perpendicular to the plane of the motherboard like any other add-on card, but rather, the PCB is parallel to the plane of the motherboard. The PCB is arranged along the thickness of the card. This has probably been done to maximize the spatial volume occupied by the cooling solution, and probably even make room for a third fan. We also predict that the PCB is split in such a way that a smaller PCB has the display I/O, and yet another PCB handles the PCI-Express slot interface. Sufficed to say, the RTX 4090 Ti / RTX TITAN will be an engineering masterpiece by NVIDIA.
Sources: MEGAsizeGPU (Twitter), VideoCardz

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193 Comments on NVIDIA RTX 4090 Ti / RTX TITAN (Ada) Pictured, Behold the 4-slot Cinder Block

#26
Solaris17
Super Dainty Moderator
Lol that height.
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#27
xrobwx71

I have to post this again.....
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#28
freeagent
Wow what an oinker..

So that's what a 4 slot card looks like :D
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#29
Nater
Always told myself I'm buying the next Titan if they ever launch one. But I just. I don't think I can. They don't deserve it.
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#30
dicobalt
The RTX 4090 only uses 128 out of 144 (88 percent) of the streaming multiprocessors (SM) on the 4 nm "AD102" silicon,
This is an error, the specific process TSMC uses for RTX 4000 is named 4N and is specific to Nvidia products. Also 4N is a 5nm process not a 4nm process. TSMC also produces N4 (correctly transposed), N4P, and N4X processes.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_nm_process
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#31
GhostRyder
Wow... I mean a 4 slot cooler on the reference model is pretty insane. I mean, I am all for it if the performance jump is worth it! Although at that point, I wonder why they just don't go with a water cooler reference model to keep size down. I mean I get they want it to work in a more basic setup not needing to mount a radiator and have to deal with pump issues. However, at this size and power usage you might as well just go for broke and make it a little more manageable.
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#32
TheinsanegamerN
P4-630Is this really becoming the future of GPU's?.... :(
This is a halo product pushing the limits of silicon. There are dual slot 4070tis out there if you dont want a 3-4 slot monster. I certianly dont miss the days of 70dba dual slot 400w cards. Not like the rest of the slots get used anymore, because expansion cards r bad now.
GhostRyderWow... I mean a 4 slot cooler on the reference model is pretty insane. I mean, I am all for it if the performance jump is worth it! Although at that point, I wonder why they just don't go with a water cooler reference model to keep size down. I mean I get they want it to work in a more basic setup not needing to mount a radiator and have to deal with pump issues. However, at this size and power usage you might as well just go for broke and make it a little more manageable.
Because there are still people who dont want to deal with the hassle of water cooling. Water cooling is a niche much like SLI was (except water cooling is much more popular). Water cooled stock GPUs also have a lot mroe to go wrong from a warranty standpoint, so nividia may simply not be willing to try it. There's a reason AMD stopped doing it.
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#33
Yraggul666
WOWZERS!

This could be a weapon in Hitman and also irl; i'd call the achievement death by 4090Ti/RTX Titan bonk.
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#35
GhostRyder
TheinsanegamerNThis is a halo product pushing the limits of silicon. There are dual slot 4070tis out there if you dont want a 3-4 slot monster. I certianly dont miss the days of 70dba dual slot 400w cards. Not like the rest of the slots get used anymore, because expansion cards r bad now.


Because there are still people who dont want to deal with the hassle of water cooling. Water cooling is a niche much like SLI was (except water cooling is much more popular). Water cooled stock GPUs also have a lot mroe to go wrong from a warranty standpoint, so nividia may simply not be willing to try it. There's a reason AMD stopped doing it.
I know, I figure that is what they are trying to avoid (Pump issues, leaks, etc) even though they have gotten much better. I just mean at this size (Full Quad slot) you are getting to the point you might as well consider it because you are going to need a tower that is pretty huge to support a card like this so its most likely going to have multiple radiator mount points. But I get wanting to stay on air cooling for the ease/reliability.

But you have to think about it. I mean if this is what Nvidia is going with, then this card uses a massive amount of power and this cooler is required to keep noise levels in check (Probably could run on the already massive RTX 4090 reference cooler but the fans had to spin up to keep it in check).
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#36
Hardcore Games
Looks like it should come with a water block installed for cooling as a 4 slot mashup kind of makes it hard to use dual cards
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#37
trsttte
GhostRyderI know, I figure that is what they are trying to avoid (Pump issues, leaks, etc) even though they have gotten much better. I just mean at this size (Full Quad slot) you are getting to the point you might as well consider it because you are going to need a tower that is pretty huge to support a card like this so its most likely going to have multiple radiator mount points. But I get wanting to stay on air cooling for the ease/reliability.
I think a better question is why are they pushing the power that high that they need so exotic solutions? They are way past any reasonable efficiency curve, it's fun to have the greatest halo product of all time (for now) but there's a point where is it really worth anything?

We already saw and will continue to see this with every "flagship" product, like the 4090 at 450w, drop that to 270w (-60%, no undervolt either, just the power level) and you're only loosing a measly 8% in performance



www.techpowerup.com/301649/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-with-nearly-half-its-power-limit-and-undervolting-loses-just-8-performance
CraptacularOneMaybe btarunr should do a little research before posting nonsense? This same exact cooler was pictured back in oct 2022 when it was supposed to be the 900w RTX 4090
So? Now there's more information and what was previously thought to be A now is thought to instead be B
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#39
GhostRyder
trsttteI think a better question is why are they pushing the power that high that they need so exotic solutions? They are way past any reasonable efficiency curve, it's fun to have the greatest halo product of all time (for now) but there's a point where is it really worth anything?

We already saw and will continue to see this with every "flagship" product, like the 4090 at 450w, drop that to 270w (-60%, no undervolt either, just the power level) and you're only loosing a measly 8% in performance



www.techpowerup.com/301649/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-with-nearly-half-its-power-limit-and-undervolting-loses-just-8-performance



So? Now there's more information and what was previously thought to be A now is thought to instead be B
Fair point, but the difference here will be if the extra cores mean a decent performance jump. While I love overclocking to the limit it is a valid point as if all this amount to is 5-10% performance jump for nearly 500Watts in use, then that is going to be a valid question.

Also I just realized that the display outputs make the card always forced to be 4 slots. If they keep that, then that is a very dumb decision.
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#40
Dr. Dro
HxxWay to early for April fools
This GPU had been rumored for some time, the guess is that it will be released to celebrate NVIDIA's 30th anniversary in March.
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#41
ir_cow
To bad Titan only come in reference model. NVIDIA doesn't allow AIB versions :(. Oh well the 4090 Ti will come out sometime in the Fall and be 1-2% slower.
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#42
tfdsaf
Why? That is garbage design, the RTX 4090 doesn't actually need close to the cooler design it has, yet alone this thing with its 5% more cores and same clocks.

The RTX 4090 cooler is way overkill, and this is ultra-overkill. Its like using a nuke to kill a fly.
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#43
ir_cow
tfdsafThe RTX 4090 cooler is way overkill, and this is ultra-overkill. Its like using a nuke to kill a fly.
Maybe yours doesn't pull 450 watts?
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#44
TheinsanegamerN
trsttteI think a better question is why are they pushing the power that high that they need so exotic solutions? They are way past any reasonable efficiency curve, it's fun to have the greatest halo product of all time (for now) but there's a point where is it really worth anything?

We already saw and will continue to see this with every "flagship" product, like the 4090 at 450w, drop that to 270w (-60%, no undervolt either, just the power level) and you're only loosing a measly 8% in performance

The 4090 is already a lot more efficient per frame then the likes of the 3090ti, now that was a power hog.

As to why they are pushed so hard? Well, you have yields, with the price of wafers being so much higher they'll want every last piece of functional silicon you can find. Those undervolt and underclock settings are not universal, while each GPU can undervolt the level they can reach will very, just like every generation, and nvidia likely doesnt see a reason to reduce yields to lower stock usage seeing as anyone who wants to do that can do so on their own time.

There's simply no reason for them to do so. Also for dies other then the 102, any die that undervolts really well will be used for the more expensive mobile parts that operate in limited TDP spaces. That's always been true. For AD102 anything that undervolts well will end up as an A series GPU that sells for 5 figures.
GhostRyderI know, I figure that is what they are trying to avoid (Pump issues, leaks, etc) even though they have gotten much better. I just mean at this size (Full Quad slot) you are getting to the point you might as well consider it because you are going to need a tower that is pretty huge to support a card like this so its most likely going to have multiple radiator mount points. But I get wanting to stay on air cooling for the ease/reliability.
Based on sales from amazon, reviews for newegg, ece the ATX form factor is still the most popular, and most modern ATX cases will take a 4090 with no problem. Even the mini ITX space has plenty of cases for 3 slot cards, genuine small ITX cases are hard to find.
GhostRyderBut you have to think about it. I mean if this is what Nvidia is going with, then this card uses a massive amount of power and this cooler is required to keep noise levels in check (Probably could run on the already massive RTX 4090 reference cooler but the fans had to spin up to keep it in check).
NVIDIA has been overbuilding their coolers for a few years now, and frankly at this level consumers want outright performance, having a big heatsink is a literal non issue. Anyone who wants a small build with water cooling will be buying waterblocks that are far higher quality then any AIO solution that NVIDIA would ship, and more serviceable.

AIOs on GPUs are just a total waste of time.
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#45
zlobby
But it's faster!
spnidellooks like moore's law is dead had legit leaks on this then
The 'law' part is really misleading.
Hardcore GamesLooks like it should come with a water block installed for cooling as a 4 slot mashup kind of makes it hard to use dual cards
You can fit even a phase-change cooler there and have a spare room for a squirrel!
freeagentWow what an oinker..

So that's what a 4 slot card looks like :D
Typical 1-litre-build card. Excellent job, nvidia!
ThrashZoneHi,
And a black plate that is generous of nvidia :laugh:
Aircraft-grade titanuim or at least vibranuim.

'Yo momma so fat' jokes taken to anotjer level!
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#46
Tartaros
Oh, come on, this is getting too ridiculous.
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#47
Count von Schwalbe
zlobbyThe 'law' part is really misleading.
I think he was referring to the popular leaker who goes by that name.

I think it's a cool design, and it comes with a massive advantage with that unrestricted airflow - but as with anything new it suffers from a couple of major flaws.

1. 4x HDMI/DP? Even a lowly 2060 has more.
2. No possible way to make it less than 4 slots, even with custom loop. Also not really compatible with vertical mounting either.
3. Any M.2 below it has even less airflow with a hot PCB slapped on top.
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#48
pavle
Ridiculous or not, there will be people even among TPU members that will buy it. :wtf:
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#49
ThrashZone
Hi,
Only thing that matters is how does it mine :cool:
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#50
bonehead123
If anyone is waiting on these to go on sale, you're too late, I've already bought them ALL and they will be delivered to my front door on Monday @8am.....

well, at least the 3 of them that will be available until 2025 anyways :D



But seriously, if you want one, just be prepared to sacrifice your right arm, left testicle, your s.o.'s parietal lobe, your dog's/cat's front paws, and your mother's mammaries :D
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