Monday, March 27th 2023

EU's New Right to Repair Directive Requires 10 Year Component Availability

A new directive from the EU wants its member states to implement new right to repair laws that require hardware manufacturers to repair products up to 10 years from the date of purchase. This also means that devices under warranty will have to be repaired, rather than replaced, to reduce the waste that the faulty devices would most likely have ended up producing. The key part of the new directive is device manufacturers now have to offer the right to repair long after warranties have expired, with some product categories being forced to offer parts for repair up to 10 years after the purchase date, if the customer demands it.

We're not just talking about home appliances here, but also phones and tablets, as well as other consumer electronics, as well as commercial computers. That said, some devices will only be required to have a five year supply of parts and components, which makes sense for some more affordable products. The directive also calls for a union wide "repair matchmaking platform" that should make it easier for consumers to get their products repaired. However, the Right to Repair coalition calls the new directive a missed opportunity, as it wants the right to repair to be universal, but it says that the new directive is at least a step in the right direction. The biggest concern about the new directive is that it doesn't mention anything about the cost of the repairs, so we could end up seeing price gouging on spare parts and repair costs, which would make the new directive moot, as it could be cheaper getting a new product rather than having it repaired.
Sources: The European Commission (PDF), via The Register, the Right to Repair coalition
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#76
R-T-B
Vayra86See above for what really happens wrt power usage.
One could also say 'try finding a 24 inch OLED and get back to me'
My dude you are on a tech forum. Having a big screen TV without heating your room like a furnace IS the dream.

Also, nits. I said it before. The OLED is FAR brighter. They could make them much more efficient but then this exact forum would complain about contrast ratios.
Bomby569i found a Sony Z9G (ZG9) lcd consuming 225W and it isn't even that big, there are news of 200'' tv's. Those CRT were extreme cases and rare, they were enormous (the box not the actual screen size) and weighed a ton almost literally. I don't know if these enormous lcds and oleds won't become normal soon and with insane nits to make it worst.
Nits. It's the primary reason they aren't heads and tails ahead of a CRT.

Also the "smart" computer running inside them doesn't help. CRTs were dumb as a brick.
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#77
Vayra86
R-T-BMy dude you are on a tech forum. Having a big screen TV without heating your room like a furnace IS the dream.

Also, nits. I said it before. The OLED is FAR brighter. They could make them much more efficient but then this exact forum would complain about contrast ratios.
Oh yeah I'm not denying this as a recent C2 owner, but still, its an observation that says something about 'old tech' - both display a picture, phasing out 'old tech' quickly isn't actually that good for anyone, its certainly not required due to perceived 'power savings' for example.
Nuke DukemOkay, I understood your point about informing your average citizen about his rights, and although legislators may mean well, in the end my life gets more complicated. What GDPR brought me is the need to click on 267 different items to say that I don't want my data being sold just to check out what the weather will be tomorrow.

Now, of course you'll say "But at least now you have the right to choose" and you'd technically be correct, but the end result is that sites are now cumbersome and obtuse. Would it not have been easier to mandate "opt-out by default" and a less intrusive opt-in? What we have now is madness.

I expect this will be more of the same: sounds like a good idea, but it's not so good in practice.

Yes, in theory it sounds good, like a step in the right direction, but in the end when it's in effect if there are so many omissions and loopholes (be they intentional or unintentional), does it even matter?
Whether these regulations will eventually turn into something that is actually usable is unpredictable. Some may hit the mark some may not. An example that did: USB charging standard. We all benefit from it. Another one. Phone roaming tariffs in the EU. And personally, I also consider GDPR a success. Yes, cookie warnings. But at the same time, the stuff is implemented; there is an actual 'right to be forgotten' on the internet now, and we've already seen how much companies that own services can actually do to keep the internet a safer place (and/or at the same time destabilize it) for individuals, or groups. We're also slowly adjusting our stance on global data sharing, in particular with the US. This is all profit imho.

In the end we're dealing with people and they all have opinions. That's why we have the weak sauce and not your optimal opt out by default - I agree completely that its sub optimal. But we also know governments 'nudge' people in democracies, they don't use repression to achieve goals. We're left an illusion of choice, so that eventually we'll get so annoyed by the cookie clicky that we'll demand something better. Or some companies get mega fines for not adhering and commerce itself finds a way to make it work proper. Who knows...

Leadership in anything means stepping in front of the crowd and doing something new. Having a mission and executing plans that follow that mission. Its clear everyone kinda does want these things to happen, or feels the actual need for it - right to repair is a big step towards a smaller footprint and sustainable economy; its a clear no-brainer if you remove the lens of how (twisted?) our current economy works.
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#78
droopyRO
Nuke DukemYou misunderstood me, so let me point to your earlier comment and be more clear: the one good reason for manufacturers to use the sticker is simple - there is no way to know if the user has the skills to properly handle the item. If anything goes wrong and the warranty sticker is missing or damaged, as much as it hurts me to say it: yes, it should be assumed that the user is at fault.

The only scenario I see where I could agree with you is if by some miracle you present a document that's written and signed by a certified technician stating that the repair was done by you under his supervision and he automatically assumes responsibility for the repair.
Skills for what ? The user is at fault for what exactly ? You have to proove that i did something wrong and that is what caused it to void the warranty. The lack of a small piece o paper glued to a screw is not what caused the defect.
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#79
Nuke Dukem
droopyROSkills for what ? The user is at fault for what exactly ?
Skills to:
droopyROdo maintanance, to clean or install custom cooling on his product, in this case GPU. Or a pre-build PC system, to upgrade RAM or add SSD or clean it.
... for example, as you said yourself. At fault for messing up any of those. I'm honestly surprised you're even asking.
droopyROYou have to proove that i did something wrong and that is what caused it to void the warranty. The lack of a small piece o paper glued to a screw is not what caused the defect.
Okay, let's go with your example again and say you want to install custom cooling on your graphics card. You do it yourself and it works fine? Cool!

The next day your neighbor hears your success story and decides that he can do the same thing. And so he does it. However, after re-assembles the card, it simply won't work anymore. He then follows your advice and tries to return it, since it's within warranty, according to you.

But wait, is that:

a) a factory defect
b) overtorqued or misplaces screws
c) conductive TIM
d) wrong thermal pads
e) ESD damage
f) broken traces in the inner PCB layers
g) all of the above
h) none of the above

Eh?

Now, you could probably imagine the obscene amounts of time and effort (read "money") it would cost to properly determine the cause of death, respectively who's fault it is, in order to decide if the card should be replaced or not. It would probably cost more than the card itself.

If you're experienced, of course it feels frustrating to have some stupid sticker stopping you from cleaning your card - I get it. At the same time, I'm pretty sure it would feel equally frustrating to have to do do RMA on a particular client's card every other week because he thinks it's funny to try out if a new BIOS flash would let him unlock the higher model's shaders, for example.

If the user is technically inclined, knows what he's doing and is careful, I stand with him - let him do his thing. Conversely, if the user is a complete idiot, he has no business attempting self-service and repair. We're not all equal and determining how capable you are could be tricky, but alas - the rules must be the same for everybody. That's why I said that I'm on the fence on this one.

P.S. It's spelled "prove" and "lose".
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#80
droopyRO
Nuke DukemNow, you could probably imagine the obscene amounts of time and effort (read "money") i
So you are shilling for multi million dollar companies ? I hope you get good money from them and don't do it for free. As to your "arguments", they are so paper thin i won't bother to answer them all. Instead i will point you to this video, in wich a trained tehnician finds that the GPU is chipped and a vRAM chip is scratched in under 5 minutes. If that is the case then warrany void, the customer pays for it and shipping. It is as easy as this !

PS:
Nuke DukemP.S. It's spelled "prove" and "lose".
Noted.
EDIT:
Nuke DukemI see now why you got booted off your local forum.

I'm dropping this one, bye.
Yup, those Americans are really "dumb" to make the stickers illegal. We in the EU are so much smarter then them protecting multi-billion $ companies and screwing honest customers.
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#81
Nuke Dukem
I see now why you got booted off your local forum.

I'm dropping this one, bye.
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#82
TheinsanegamerN
R0H1TIf you use them carefully you can easily get 5 years of use, just buy a rugged case & don't charge over 80-90% & avoid discharge under 10-20% for prolonged battery life ~
batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-808-how-to-prolong-lithium-based-batteries
Yes 5 years old phones are slow but perfectly fine for their primary use.

I haven't had batteries fail in recent times with some phones over 4+ year old. It does take some doing but you can carefully manage their usage & usability over a good amount of time.
Hey, better idea. Make the consumable part of the device (the battery) user replaceable!

Wow, such a difficult answer!

(also, suggesting users give up 40% of their battery capacity is an absolute shit answer to "why cant I replace my battery". If I have to sacrifice a significant portion of my devices capability to make it work more then 3 years, then it is a terrible design, full stop.).
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#83
lexluthermiester
TheinsanegamerNHey, better idea. Make the consumable part of the device (the battery) user replaceable!

Wow, such a difficult answer!
THIS! YES!
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#84
bug
TheinsanegamerNHey, better idea. Make the consumable part of the device (the battery) user replaceable!

Wow, such a difficult answer!

(also, suggesting users give up 40% of their battery capacity is an absolute shit answer to "why cant I replace my battery". If I have to sacrifice a significant portion of my devices capability to make it work more then 3 years, then it is a terrible design, full stop.).
I can still remember when Apple was teaching everybody batteries must not be user-replaceable because then the device would be thicker and the battery smaller. Unaware of this, Samsung was selling phones with virtually the same thickness and battery capacity with a user replaceable battery back then.
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#85
R0H1T
TheinsanegamerNsuggesting users give up 40% of their battery capacity is an absolute shit answer to "why cant I replace my battery".
I never said that, I said you can easily mage battery life with better (dis)charge patterns! Also suggesting better/more spare parts as an answer to sh!t usage including careless handling is beyond stupid, FYI you don't blow up one complete charge cycle in a day ~ it's very rare in fact. Charging battery from 0-100% & then completely draining it to zero is a full cycle.
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#86
lexluthermiester
R0H1TI never said that, I said you can easily mage battery life with better (dis)charge patterns! Also suggesting better/more spare parts as an answer to sh!t usage including careless handling is beyond stupid, FYI you don't blow up one complete charge cycle in a day ~ it's very rare in fact. Charging battery from 0-100% & then completely draining it to zero is a full cycle.
You seem to be missing the larger point. The ability to maintain, service and repair ones own property is a RIGHT to be protected, not a privilege that companies/governments should be allowed to infringe upon.
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