ZoneDymojust a matter of time before we just have one standard

TumbleGeorgeHow to imagine that. Monopoly?

Vya DomusThey didn't, it was more or less forced upon them. Soon most games will start to integrate upscaling in a way that users wont be able to turn it off like in Alan Wake.

AusWolfFirst it was forced. But now, we've got crowds saying "bleh, I won't buy that pesky, ugly AMD card because DLSS is soooo much better!" Personally, I find it funny that people are comparing which image worsening feature gives them less bad images like it was the saving grace of PC gaming. You can sell literal sh** with good enough marketing, I guess. :kookoo:

Edit: We've also got game devs cranking up system requirements to 11, and we've also got gamers who want smooth 4K gaming with ultra graphics. Gaming has become a very needy and expensive hobby for many. Very first world-ish, so to speak. Something has got to give.

mb194dcHow about working on cards that can use native res at decent frame rates for a reasonable price,?

thesmokingmanWho asked for this

RedwoodzAt an all time high in datacenter marketshare.

ZoneDymojust a matter of time before we just have one standard and can move on from this nonsense, and as stated before, I cannot wait, christ this is annoying

FrickConsidering how you need a RTX 4090 to push 60FPS @ 4K maxed out in all games (not considering RT!) "more power" is not the answer.



Oh yes let us just undo this industry-wide shift.

RedwoodzTrue. But tell me why I can play many first rate titles on a 6650XT @4k over 60FPS, on Ultra settings and some won't even load. It's not about power it's about dev's getting lazy and cheap.

MakaveliWhat titles are you playing at 4k ultra on a 6650XT?

AusWolfActually, I've just tried Hogwarts Legacy on my 1660 Ti, and to my great surprise, it plays at 4K Ultra at 60 FPS. Sure, with FSR/XeSS at Performance (so with a 720p render resolution), but still... :rockout:

With sharpening dragged to the max, it looks fairly acceptable, too.

I'm tempted to get back to some testing on my 6500 XT. I've kind of forgotten how much fun budget gaming can be. :ohwell:

PunkenjoyBut that is great. In the end this is what you want from an upscaler. Like i said earlier, those upscaler should be standard in games and you should always be able to select a lower render resolution than your output resolution.

Then you can get the benefits of having a 4K monitor for all the other stuff while still owning a low/mid range GPU or just an older one.

wolfIt's pretty straight forward stuff, and can go hand in hand with settings optimization, or not, personal preference and all. Some games used to offer lowering input resolution before these new gen upscalers were even a thing, FSR/DLSS and XeSS just do that part even better, I'm all for fierce competition and advancement.

Zero regrets with a 4k monitor too, the other benefits are immense and upscaling is in it's prime in this territory. There's a positive and negative spin for everything, I've been told I've overbought monitor relative to my GPU and now am making sacrifices, I don't see it that way at all, I'd rather upscale 1440p to 4k than be stuck still on a 1440p display, and as we've seen at 4k output upscaling can and often does produce better than native+mehTAA results. Also OLED :)

MakaveliThere is a balance one must find when selecting monitor and gpu.

Its the reason I stayed at 1440 UW and a 7900XTX. If I was looking at 4K for the games I play and the settings I like to use it would have pushed me to a 4090. However the extra $1200 I would have need for this GPU would have bit the wallet hard. So i'm happy where i'm at currently.

If one plays older games you can get away with 4k and something mid range so many factors are in play then making these choices.

wolf4090 with a 1080p144 IPS

Beginner Micro DeviceBut it makes sense if you belong to "I'd rather not upgrade till the next decade" kind of people.

Beginner Micro DeviceBut it makes sense if you belong to "I'd rather not upgrade till the next decade" kind of people.

Comments a-lá "bring us more power, these upscalers are donkey dong" are nonsensical because, if we don't count some specific outliers like 4060/6500 XT/etc, every gen is faster than the previous one by a very significant margin regardless of a use case. We're both getting more speed and more upscaling, thus 1080p gamers are happy because their 400 dollar GPUs are thriving at 100+ FPS in most games, and 4K gamers are also happy because they can use DLSS/FSR/XeSS and get their 60+ FPS with relative ease despite having a mid-three-figure USD GPU. And the image quality of 4K + DLSS at Quality is almost never noticeably worse than native. Rarely it's worse (= eyes hurt) than native in case of FSR and XeSS.

Badly optimised games? VRAM hogs? 20 FPS on 1500 dollar GPUs? Always has been a thing. Nobody thought of 50 FPS as of bad experience when I was a kid (late 90s, early 00s). Standards shifted.

Objectively, the main problems are:
• Artificial deficite (= wares are more expensive than they would be in normal circumstances).
• Lack of SFF/ITX friendly GPUs as well as ridiculously growing PSU requirements.
• AMD are very far behind NVIDIA in everything that's not pure raster performance and they don't seem to try to change that, ultimately leading to value stagnation.

Upscalers were toughly underwhelming 5 years ago. Today, they are fine. Tomorrow, I bet they will shine. Especially if AMD succeed with AI in upcoming FSR versions (only possible in parallel universes I'm afraid...).

RedwoodzHow are you going to get anywhere in anything other than raster when Nvidia has the whole software ecosystem locked down under CUDA?

MakaveliThere is a balance one must find when selecting monitor and gpu.

Its the reason I stayed at 1440 UW and a 7900XTX. If I was looking at 4K for the games I play and the settings I like to use it would have pushed me to a 4090. However the extra $1200 I would have need for this GPU would have bit the wallet hard. So I'm happy where I'm at currently.

If one plays older games you can get away with 4k and something mid range so many factors are in play when making these choices.