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Qualcomm Announces the Snapdragon 7+ Gen 3, Featuring Exceptional On-Device AI Capabilities

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Qualcomm Technologies, Inc., unveiled today the Snapdragon 7+ Gen 3 Mobile Platform, bringing on-device generative AI into the Snapdragon 7 series. The Mobile Platform supports a wide range of AI models including large language models (LLMs) such as Baichuan-7B, Llama 2, and Gemini Nano. Fueling extraordinary entertainment capabilities, Snapdragon 7+ Gen 3 also brings new select Snapdragon Elite Gaming features to the 7-series including Game Post Processing Accelerator and Adreno Frame Motion Engine 2, enhancing game effects and upscaling gaming content for desktop-level visuals. Plus, this platform brings top-notch photography features with our industry-leading 18-bit cognitive ISP.

"Today, we embark on the latest expansion in the 7-series to create new levels of entertainment for consumers - integrating next-generation technologies for richer experiences," said Chris Patrick, senior vice president and general manager of mobile handsets, Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. "Snapdragon 7+ Gen 3 is packed with support for incredible on-device generative AI features and provides incredible performance and power efficiency, while bringing Wi-Fi 7 to the Snapdragon 7 Series for the first time."
"We are delighted to announce that OnePlus will be among the first smartphone brands to adopt the groundbreaking Snapdragon 7+ Gen 3 Mobile Platform," said Louis Li, President of OnePlus China. "With this powerful platform, we are excited to bring our customers outstanding on-device intelligence, exceptional gaming experiences, and remarkable photography capabilities, among other features. Stay tuned for the upcoming announcement of our commercial devices, as we continue to push the boundaries of innovation and deliver extraordinary experiences to our users."

Snapdragon 7+ Gen 3 will first be adopted by key OEMs including OnePlus, realme and SHARP with the first device expected to be announced in the next few months. For more information about the platform visit our product brief or website.
Source: Qualcomm

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31 Comments on Qualcomm Announces the Snapdragon 7+ Gen 3, Featuring Exceptional On-Device AI Capabilities

#1
P4-630
TheLostSwedeSnapdragon 7+ Gen 3
Why not Snapdragon 8+ gen 3 or Snapdragon 9...

My Galaxy S23 has the 8 gen 2 already.
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#2
Readlight
More spying in mobile phones.
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#3
cvaldes
P4-630Why not Snapdragon 8+ gen 3 or Snapdragon 9...

My Galaxy S23 has the 8 gen 2 already.
There's undoubtedly a larger market right now for Snapdragon 7 in unit sales. Plus your Snapdragon 8 gen 2 likely has many of these features already.
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Dr. Dro
Why do we want AI crammed into even midrange smartphone SoCs? What's the benefit? I'm still waiting for ANY of these companies to prove me that AI will drastically change my daily workflow and improve it meaningfully
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#5
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
Dr. DroWhy do we want AI crammed into even midrange smartphone SoCs? What's the benefit? I'm still waiting for ANY of these companies to prove me that AI will drastically change my daily workflow and improve it meaningfully
NPUs have already been in use on smartphones since around 2017. Its usual use is for pre- and post-processing of camera photos. It's also used for text scanning and selection in images.
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#6
Dr. Dro
CheeseballNPUs have already been in use on smartphones since around 2017. Its usual use is for pre- and post-processing of camera photos. It's also used for text scanning and selection in images.
True enough but I'm very specifically on about "LLM compatibility" and the sort
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#7
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
Dr. DroTrue enough but I'm very specifically on about "LLM compatibility" and the sort
Maybe so we can talk/chat with our phones themselves when we're bored and lonely? Generate random images to jerk fulfill our entertainment itch? :laugh: Yeah, I have no clue on why we need an entire neural network on our phones.
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#8
Minus Infinity
P4-630Why not Snapdragon 8+ gen 3 or Snapdragon 9...

My Galaxy S23 has the 8 gen 2 already.
Why not. Maybe because 8 Gen 3 is a POS, this thing throttles like a bitch, far worse than Scamsung's Exynos 2400. * Gen 3 hs stupidly high clocks, stupidly high power consumption and is an embarrassment. 7+ Gen 3 is very impressive and more than enough performance for anyone for a phone IMO and doesn't have the heinous throttling issues.
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#9
P4-630
Minus InfinityMaybe because 8 Gen 3 is a POS, this thing throttles like a bitch
No issues here with my S23, also battery life is 3~4 days...
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#10
tabascosauz
Minus InfinityWhy not. Maybe because 8 Gen 3 is a POS, this thing throttles like a bitch, far worse than Scamsung's Exynos 2400. * Gen 3 hs stupidly high clocks, stupidly high power consumption and is an embarrassment. 7+ Gen 3 is very impressive and more than enough performance for anyone for a phone IMO and doesn't have the heinous throttling issues.
I'm not sure that's a win for Eyxnos 2400 either? And not sure if the data supports "far worse". Exy did make a pleasantly strong showing this time on performance but long-term thermal performance on both 8Gen3 and 2400 is dogshit on all 3 models of S24, which comes as a surprise to no one given Samsung's history of thermal design. You want to let 8 Gen 3 or Exynos or Dimensity 9300 to really stretch their legs? Ask literally anyone other than Samsung to make a vapor chamber.
P4-630No issues here with my S23, also battery life is 3~4 days...
Neither of us have 8 Gen 3 in the S23. Although, the statement about 8 Gen 3 seems to be a bit hyperbolic
Dr. DroWhy do we want AI crammed into even midrange smartphone SoCs? What's the benefit? I'm still waiting for ANY of these companies to prove me that AI will drastically change my daily workflow and improve it meaningfully
My thoughts as well about this announcement - performance of 7+ Gen 3 should be as important news as the 7+ Gen 2 release was, yet all we can talk about is AI and AI and AI. What about that GPU uplift? This is what the market has actually been waiting for, as opposed to the usual worthless filler trash of 7 Gen 3 and 7s Gen 2.
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#11
Minus Infinity
tabascosauzI'm not sure that's a win for Eyxnos 2400 either? And not sure if the data supports "far worse". Exy did make a pleasantly strong showing this time on performance but long-term thermal performance on both 8Gen3 and 2400 is dogshit on all 3 models of S24, which comes as a surprise to no one given Samsung's history of thermal design. You want to let 8 Gen 3 or Exynos or Dimensity 9300 to really stretch their legs? Ask literally anyone other than Samsung to make a vapor chamber.
Not endorsing Exynos at all. It's clearly top point out how bad things are for Qualcomm when their flagship throttles far more than Samsung's. I would never buy an Exynos based phone again but wouldn't touch 8 Gen 3 either. 8s maybe the more sensible product and will be more than fast enough, but still don't see the point when 7+ Gen 3 is so good.
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#12
TumbleGeorge
Looking at the specs on Wikipedia, there are exactly zero improvements from SD 7 gen 1 to SD 7+ gen 3. And yes, the number in the generation designation is higher.
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#13
sLowEnd
TumbleGeorgeLooking at the specs on Wikipedia, there are exactly zero improvements from SD 7 gen 1 to SD 7+ gen 3. And yes, the number in the generation designation is higher.
?

Even the 7+ gen 2 has substantial improvements over the 7 gen 1. The gen 2 has an Adreno 725, which is twice as fast as gen 1's Adreno 644. On the CPU side the 7+ gen 2 is clocked higher, especially on the prime core that the 7 gen 1 lacks.
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#14
TumbleGeorge
sLowEnd?

Even the 7+ gen 2 has substantial improvements over the 7 gen 1. The gen 2 has an Adreno 725, which is twice as fast as gen 1's Adreno 644. On the CPU side the 7+ gen 2 is clocked higher, especially on the prime core that the 7 gen 1 lacks.
And is it so in reality? I don't care about commercial numbers about something being x2 faster than something else because it's marketing bullshit.
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#15
trieste15
TumbleGeorgeLooking at the specs on Wikipedia, there are exactly zero improvements from SD 7 gen 1 to SD 7+ gen 3. And yes, the number in the generation designation is higher.
Nanoreview shows this though:

TumbleGeorgeAnd is it so in reality? I don't care about commercial numbers about something being x2 faster than something else because it's marketing bullshit.
What do you mean in reality? Time benchmarks? Smooth feels?
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#16
sLowEnd
TumbleGeorgeAnd is it so in reality? I don't care about commercial numbers about something being x2 faster than something else because it's marketing bullshit.
yes
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#17
TumbleGeorge
trieste15Nanoreview shows this though:




What do you mean in reality? Time benchmarks? Smooth feels?
I mean almost no difference in system memory bandwidth, part of which is shared for GPU needs. And how is it that the GPU can show a x2 boost?
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#18
Dr. Dro
TumbleGeorgeI mean almost no difference in system memory bandwidth, part of which is shared for GPU needs. And how is it that the GPU can show a x2 boost?
Much newer microarchitecture I suppose. Just like raw bandwidth in GB/s no longer dictates the absolute winner in the desktop GPU realm.

The 7 Gen 1 was supposedly really bad. As in, worse than the aging 855/865 and the 778G that directly preceded it.
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#19
sLowEnd
Dr. DroMuch newer microarchitecture I suppose. Just like raw bandwidth in GB/s no longer dictates the absolute winner in the desktop GPU realm.

The 7 Gen 1 was supposedly really bad. As in, worse than the aging 855/865 and the 778G that directly preceded it.
Yeah architecture is extremely important. If one disregards architecture, they'd think the 5700XT would whoop the 6600XT just based on paper specs, instead of performing basically identically. (Slightly slower, even)
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#20
theouto
On device image generation gen AI, wha, why? What is the point? Most other updates seem, at the very least, neat (If a bit overhyped, I doubt that gaming will actually be "Hyper-realistic"), but Image generation? What's the need, what's the point? Who are they targeting with this?
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#21
Wirko
Dr. DroTrue enough but I'm very specifically on about "LLM compatibility" and the sort
LLMs will make a better auto-incorrect, which is going to incorrect your typing in less noticeable ways.
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#23
Dr. Dro
WirkoLLMs will make a better auto-incorrect, which is going to incorrect your typing in less noticeable ways.
Much more power efficient ways to do that than run a neural network on everything you type on your phone, but alas, perhaps that is the goal. A mass data harvesting system
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#24
P4-630
tabascosauzNeither of us have 8 Gen 3 in the S23.
Right lol!! It got kinda late last night, I should have been in bed already at the time I've posted that.... :D
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#25
Noyand
CheeseballMaybe so we can talk/chat with our phones themselves when we're bored and lonely? Generate random images to jerk fulfill our entertainment itch? :laugh: Yeah, I have no clue on why we need an entire neural network on our phones.
theoutoOn device image generation gen AI, wha, why? What is the point? Most other updates seem, at the very least, neat (If a bit overhyped, I doubt that gaming will actually be "Hyper-realistic"), but Image generation? What's the need, what's the point? Who are they targeting with this?
Google is planning LLM to Google assistant, to turn it into a real chatbot. For image generation, there are a ton of apps and filters that can leverage this. Yhea that seems shallow, but those kinds of stuff make a killing.

It seems that on device processing is also more reactive than cloud processing. The latter is favoured when you need to process a massive amount of data or need higher accuracy.
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