Wednesday, September 25th 2024
AMD Rushing in Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Expect Product Launch Late-October
Facing poor sales of its Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" desktop processors, and with the spectre of Intel's Core Ultra "Arrow Lake-S" looming, AMD is rumored to have given its desktop processor roadmap a shakedown. The company is working to rush in at least one of the three upcoming Ryzen 9000X3D series processor SKUs. The Ryzen 7 9800X3D is a successor to the popular Ryzen 7 7800X3D. It pairs the new "Zen 5" microarchitecture with 3D V-cache technology to boost gaming performance. AMD is allegedly rushing the 9800X3D for a late-October launch. If this chip meets its performance targets (of around 15-20% over the 9700X), then AMD hopes it could take the edge off Intel's Core Ultra 200-series.
Launch of a Ryzen 9000X3D series product-stack became inevitable when AMD confirmed that the "Zen 5" CCD has silicon-level preparation for 3D V-cache (such as TSVs over the region with the on-die L3 cache that interface with the stacked L3D silicon), however, it was expected that the non-X3D Ryzen 9000 series, such as the 9700X, would perform close to the 7800X3D in games, giving AMD room to launch the 9800X3D in Q1-2025. Prior to the 7800X3D and Intel's 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake," the Ryzen 7 7700X nearly matched the gaming performance of the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, and so something similar was expected of the 9700X. Of course things didn't go to plan, the 9700X fell significantly short of the 7800X3D in gaming, resulting in mixed reviews and low sales.The 9800X3D won't be the only chip from the 9000X3D series, there are also the Ryzen 9 9900X3D and new flagship 9950X3D planned, however, zhangzhonghao, the user behind this leak, says that the dual-CCD processors will do something different to the 7900X3D and 7950X3D to attract the class of buyers that wants both flagship gaming performance and productivity performance competitive to the Core Ultra 9 285K. The user did not elaborate on what these "new features" are, but if we were to guess, it's likely that both CCDs on the processor get 3D V-cache. The 9900X3D and 9950X3D are on-track for a Q1-2025 release.
Sources:
harukaze5719 (Twitter), zhangzhonghao (ChipHell forums), VideoCardz
Launch of a Ryzen 9000X3D series product-stack became inevitable when AMD confirmed that the "Zen 5" CCD has silicon-level preparation for 3D V-cache (such as TSVs over the region with the on-die L3 cache that interface with the stacked L3D silicon), however, it was expected that the non-X3D Ryzen 9000 series, such as the 9700X, would perform close to the 7800X3D in games, giving AMD room to launch the 9800X3D in Q1-2025. Prior to the 7800X3D and Intel's 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake," the Ryzen 7 7700X nearly matched the gaming performance of the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, and so something similar was expected of the 9700X. Of course things didn't go to plan, the 9700X fell significantly short of the 7800X3D in gaming, resulting in mixed reviews and low sales.The 9800X3D won't be the only chip from the 9000X3D series, there are also the Ryzen 9 9900X3D and new flagship 9950X3D planned, however, zhangzhonghao, the user behind this leak, says that the dual-CCD processors will do something different to the 7900X3D and 7950X3D to attract the class of buyers that wants both flagship gaming performance and productivity performance competitive to the Core Ultra 9 285K. The user did not elaborate on what these "new features" are, but if we were to guess, it's likely that both CCDs on the processor get 3D V-cache. The 9900X3D and 9950X3D are on-track for a Q1-2025 release.
115 Comments on AMD Rushing in Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Expect Product Launch Late-October
However Intel has been pushing the small core count on their chips, so your idea has merit.
8C Zen5 with 128MB dual-layer V-Cache
16C Zen5C (no V-Cache)
48 Threads.
Or the above, but switch the V-Cache around to the Z5C chiplet, so the Z5 can run full speed. Maybe they need a Z series for Desktop (to match handheld Z1 Extreme, etc).
Instead of a Ryzen 7 9800X3D call it Ryzen Z 9800 or similar. RyZen.
RAIZen, get some AI in the branding :/
Several posts says "Oh no, AMD shouldn't rush things", and rightfully so, yet when I look I find no info about it being rushed? :rolleyes: Two? I think we would be talking about diminishing returns there.
More cores under the same roof/CCD/chiplet with V-cache would be great, even if highly unlikely. Yes, I called it a wish in the first post..
And here's my speculation: the V-cache chip contains additional L2 too, not only L3.
I think and hope it is time for those dual die - dual cache parts.
AMD seems unable to learn from their mistakes.
That was with prior gen though, we don't know how this new architecture interacts with the 3D cache or what benefits 2nd gen 3D cache will bring.
Even if we assume that 2nd gen 3D cache brings the same performance uplift, AMD might decide to use multiple cache chiplets simply because Intel is a threat. It's really the same reason AMD hasn't upped core counts at each tier, because Intel hasn't provided them enough reason to need to yet. At the end of the day competition drives the market.
If you're thinking of adding another level of V-Cache on the "Classic" core. Then you (well, the engineers) have to consider a lot of factors. Complexity, cost, heat density, diminishing returns.
You can't just add more of something and expect it to work better. Processor design is about the balance between the difference aspects of the architecture, hence the name Zen.
Any radical changes will have to wait for Zen6.