Wednesday, September 25th 2024

AMD Rushing in Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Expect Product Launch Late-October

Facing poor sales of its Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" desktop processors, and with the spectre of Intel's Core Ultra "Arrow Lake-S" looming, AMD is rumored to have given its desktop processor roadmap a shakedown. The company is working to rush in at least one of the three upcoming Ryzen 9000X3D series processor SKUs. The Ryzen 7 9800X3D is a successor to the popular Ryzen 7 7800X3D. It pairs the new "Zen 5" microarchitecture with 3D V-cache technology to boost gaming performance. AMD is allegedly rushing the 9800X3D for a late-October launch. If this chip meets its performance targets (of around 15-20% over the 9700X), then AMD hopes it could take the edge off Intel's Core Ultra 200-series.

Launch of a Ryzen 9000X3D series product-stack became inevitable when AMD confirmed that the "Zen 5" CCD has silicon-level preparation for 3D V-cache (such as TSVs over the region with the on-die L3 cache that interface with the stacked L3D silicon), however, it was expected that the non-X3D Ryzen 9000 series, such as the 9700X, would perform close to the 7800X3D in games, giving AMD room to launch the 9800X3D in Q1-2025. Prior to the 7800X3D and Intel's 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake," the Ryzen 7 7700X nearly matched the gaming performance of the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, and so something similar was expected of the 9700X. Of course things didn't go to plan, the 9700X fell significantly short of the 7800X3D in gaming, resulting in mixed reviews and low sales.
The 9800X3D won't be the only chip from the 9000X3D series, there are also the Ryzen 9 9900X3D and new flagship 9950X3D planned, however, zhangzhonghao, the user behind this leak, says that the dual-CCD processors will do something different to the 7900X3D and 7950X3D to attract the class of buyers that wants both flagship gaming performance and productivity performance competitive to the Core Ultra 9 285K. The user did not elaborate on what these "new features" are, but if we were to guess, it's likely that both CCDs on the processor get 3D V-cache. The 9900X3D and 9950X3D are on-track for a Q1-2025 release.
Sources: harukaze5719 (Twitter), zhangzhonghao (ChipHell forums), VideoCardz
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115 Comments on AMD Rushing in Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Expect Product Launch Late-October

#101
SL2
x4it3nLet's hope that the 9950X3D will have 2 3D V-Cache CCD,
This more-is-better legend is hard to kill lol.

Jump to 18:53 for old news, straight from AMD.
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#102
wolf
Better Than Native
Ayhamb99this kind of paranoia is getting old.

Why is it that you guys so often believe that most people have the secret goal of putting AMD down? Yes, the general perception of Zen 5 after the launch wasn't so positive, but the criticisms made were valid and were not done out of spite towards AMD
It sure is, really, freaking, old. And, what also isn't lost on me is the double standard being applied. Some repeat offenders will constantly bemoan any negativity toward an AMD product/feature/activity, and falsely equate that to some kind of deep running anti AMD agenda/smear campaign. Yet, these same people readily display their negative bias ad-nauseum to brands which, by their judgement, are deserving of an anti 'them' agenda and smear campaign. It just comes across as immature and if I'm honest, sad. Corporations who couldn't care less about you insofar as they have a strategy to make a buck from you, living rent free.
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#103
Visible Noise
R0H1TTell me one hardware launch which has been 100% perfect according to "PCMR" expectations :rolleyes:

Right and part of the reason is that the client side of things is so much more vast & different/varied than 10 or even 5 years back! You can have people running PS3 emulation, running Cinebech 24*7 or doing BOINC, geekbench et al. The software today is also a lot more complex & there's a ton of security issues as well. This isn't such a big deal with servers per se where you run everything in a controlled environment!
iPhone 16
RTX 4090

There’s two.
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#104
Taraquin
kapone32Indeed that is your assessment of the specs. You have validated my argument though. What you don't get is that I tried the 7800X3D and I was not impressed.
Still it will outperform 7900X3D in virtiually all games and 7950X3D on most games. If you do productivity as well then you have a case for especially 7950X3D and hence 9950X3D. 9900X3D will still be the odd child and when they use the core parking feature you have a expensive 6 core in gaming which we know underperforms vs 8 core in most new games.
chrcolukWhy are they rushing it? Whats wrong with the products already on the market?
To compete with Arrow lake in gaming since Zen 5 w/o 3D cache failed big time in gaming.
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#105
SIGSEGV
SL2That doesn't explain the 9000 barely making it to top 25.
For me, people seem unattracted with an 8 - 12% improvement (before the 24H2 patch, despite massive performance uplift on Linux systems) over the previous generation. Unfortunately, AMD also charged 9000 generations with a hefty price creating a wide gap.
chrcolukWhy are they rushing it? Whats wrong with the products already on the market?
Nothing wrong. The products don't live the expectations and hype.
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#106
kapone32
TaraquinStill it will outperform 7900X3D in virtiually all games and 7950X3D on most games. If you do productivity as well then you have a case for especially 7950X3D and hence 9950X3D. 9900X3D will still be the odd child and when they use the core parking feature you have a expensive 6 core in gaming which we know underperforms vs 8 core in most new games.


To compete with Arrow lake in gaming since Zen 5 w/o 3D cache failed big time in gaming.
We can agree that you are not using one and what exactly do you mean outperform? When I play Space Marine 2 I see all 12 cores in use how many do you have? Let's not forget about Battles in TWWh3. You are using the 50+ Games that reviewers can use with built in benchmarks. Just like when they added TWWH3 using the built in benchmark when all that does is run at your monitor's refresh rate. So for the rest of Games that are available to play like Rogue Trader or whatever I am playing at 4K and not worry about Framerate I am happy to own my CPU. I am sure you are happy with your 7800X3D.


AMD never said 9000 CPUs were for Gaming as a first reason to buy one. There are clear architectural differences between X3D, G and X/Non X CPUs.
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#107
Godrilla
Seems like AMD is trying to time the 5090 release. The 5090 will need all the cpu gains to mitigate a cpu bottleneck.
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#108
Taraquin
kapone32We can agree that you are not using one and what exactly do you mean outperform? When I play Space Marine 2 I see all 12 cores in use how many do you have? Let's not forget about Battles in TWWh3. You are using the 50+ Games that reviewers can use with built in benchmarks. Just like when they added TWWH3 using the built in benchmark when all that does is run at your monitor's refresh rate. So for the rest of Games that are available to play like Rogue Trader or whatever I am playing at 4K and not worry about Framerate I am happy to own my CPU. I am sure you are happy with your 7800X3D.


AMD never said 9000 CPUs were for Gaming as a first reason to buy one. There are clear architectural differences between X3D, G and X/Non X CPUs.
www.techspot.com/review/2821-amd-ryzen-7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d/

In theory 7900X3D is great, the problem is the tread scheduler which runs it as a simple 6 core in many games making it perform like a regular 6 core with 3D cache making it inferior to 7800X3D. Look at BG3, Cyberpunk, plague tale, Mirage, watch dogs, HM3. In some games it performs great when scheduler works great and slightly above 7800X3D, but they are the minority it seems.

It is good that we are both satisfied. And if you do productivity, 7900X3D will be a better choice.

The only saving grace I can see for the 9900X3D is if they add 3D cache on both ccds and mske them run at same speed so you can ditch the tread scheduler. In that case it will probably outperform 9800X3D in many cases except when cross ccd latency gets to high. This option however will raise it's price quite a bit :/
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#109
kapone32
Taraquinwww.techspot.com/review/2821-amd-ryzen-7800x3d-7900x3d-7950x3d/

In theory 7900X3D is great, the problem is the tread scheduler which runs it as a simple 6 core in many games making it perform like a regular 6 core with 3D cache making it inferior to 7800X3D. Look at BG3, Cyberpunk, plague tale, Mirage, watch dogs, HM3. In some games it performs great when scheduler works great and slightly above 7800X3D, but they are the minority it seems.

It is good that we are both satisfied. And if you do productivity, 7900X3D will be a better choice.

The only saving grace I can see for the 9900X3D is if they add 3D cache on both ccds and mske them run at same speed so you can ditch the tread scheduler. In that case it will probably outperform 9800X3D in many cases except when cross ccd latency gets to high. This option however will raise it's price quite a bit :/
5.6 GHz is still nice and fast for non X3D cores. BG3 runs fine for me at 4k. CP 2077 at high is almost 165 FPS at 4K or whatever I play.
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#110
529th
Visible NoiseiPhone 16
RTX 4090

There’s two.
Wasn't some 4090 power connectors melting?
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#111
kapone32
kapone325.6 GHz is still nice and fast for non X3D cores. BG3 runs fine for me at 4k. CP 2077 at high is almost 165 FPS at 4K or whatever I play.
More HUB?
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#112
esserpain
Ultimately, it only benefits us consumers if the 9800X3D launches early and lives up to expectations. Of course, the problem is that expectations have been set so low by the rest of Zen 5 that it's hard to get excited for this prospective launch at this point, despite anything with 3D V-Cache usually being an exciting product. Even the 7600X3D, which should've been an easy success for AMD, was neutered by the limited MicroCenter launch (no, I'm not counting that one German retailer that seemed to be an outlier). And that one had good performance and value, by all accounts.

Hopefully, the architectural issues (like inter-CCD latency) don't bleed over into the 9800X3D, but I and many others aren't holding our breaths at this point.
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#113
Hankieroseman
57" G9, 9950X3D, RTX5090, X870E? LET'S DANCE... :pimp: Me with a 0 credit card balance cha-ching
529thWasn't some 4090 power connectors melting?
Mostly attributed to user's poor connections.
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#114
Zach_01
esserpainHopefully, the architectural issues (like inter-CCD latency) don't bleed over into the 9800X3D, but I and many others aren't holding our breaths at this point.
1st
The inter-CCD latency has vastly improved with AGESA v1202 (180 >> 70-80) for 9000 but yes there is a latency inherently and by design when you have multiple core dies on same package

2nd
A single CCD CPU, like the 9800X3D will be, won’t suffer from that latency
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