AMD won't lose a lot of money due to low sales of home CPUs, since it's selling a lot of AI chips. Intel, however, will experience a drastic drop in its home PC sales because of the high prices of RAM.

Tek-CheckHahaha, lovely. Games are being held by Apple's architecture. Thank you.

Believe it or not, AMD being a year behind schedule in shipping is impacting games. Read the quote again. AMD is holding games back. They have delayed Zen 4/5/6 now. Three in a row. Apple is shipping higher performance cores every year and on time. That few gamers use it is not their problem.

efikkanConsidering that only a tiny fraction of dies qualifies for their Epyc products, AMD still relies on selling all of their "leftover" dies to the consumer market.

It does not work like that. It is dies that can hit the highest clocks that are put aside for consumer market. CCDs for EPYC simply need to be functional. Turbo clocks on desktop parts are almost 1 GHz higher.

JohHBelieve it or not, AMD being a year behind schedule in shipping is impacting games. Read the quote again. AMD is holding games back. They have delayed Zen 4/5/6 now. Three in a row. Apple is shipping higher performance cores every year and on time. That few gamers use it is not their problem.

Sorry dude, but this is pure nonsense. AMD offers the fastest gaming CPUs in the world. Apple's problem is that they do not collaborate enough with game developers, hence a few users would ever think of Apple's devices suitable for diverse gaming experience. Sad, but true. Nothing you say will change that, until actually Apple does something about it.

JohHIt's believable. AMD can't ship anything on time anymore. They're so far behind Apple in performance now while in 2020 they were on par.

On a certain Ukrainian forum there's this guy Yuriy... he's constantly glazing apple and yelling about the death of x86... you two might be brothers.

JohHBelieve it or not, AMD being a year behind schedule in shipping is impacting games. Read the quote again. AMD is holding games back. They have delayed Zen 4/5/6 now. Three in a row. Apple is shipping higher performance cores every year and on time. That few gamers use it is not their problem.

The 9800X3D is still one of the fastest CPU's for gaming, and it's not like a majority of games need anything more than 8 cores. Zen 6 being delayed is still just a rumor, but would make sense if it was true, because of TSMC supply, and anyone building a new platform can't buy RAM or an SSD anyway.
Perhaps if Apple started caring about gamers it would be a problem, but Apple doesn't usually care about gaming.

Hecate91and it's not like a majority of games need anything more than 8 cores.

They don't need more cores, they need higher effective IPC, more LLC and higher clock rates. Which is what Zen 6 should have. And it should have shipped about a year ago if AMD didn't let schedule slips compound.

kabostebeztakOn a certain Ukrainian forum there's this guy Yuriy... he's constantly glazing apple and yelling about the death of x86... you two might be brothers.

Anyone who measures CPUs, instruction latencies, and speculative capabilities reaches the same conclusion. They ship on schedule and they ship all-around better cores. And the one time things went wrong (N3B yield bring-up impacted M3), they didn't let it impact the follow up product (M4). AMD has consistently missed everything since Zen 4* AND gamers still glaze them because Intel has been incompetent.

* except some Instinct products - where their entire priority lies

Tek-CheckSorry dude, but this is pure nonsense. AMD offers the fastest gaming CPUs in the world.

It's not nonsense. AMD is not shipping the gaming CPUs they should have been shipping because they are cumulatively a year behind schedule because Intel has been so noncompetitive they have been able to delay over and over again. But AMD can use Nvidia GPUs which makes it the fastest CPU that can actually game.

Tek-CheckIt does not work like that. It is dies that can hit the highest clocks that are put aside for consumer market. CCDs for EPYC simply need to be functional. Turbo clocks on desktop parts are almost 1 GHz higher.

Enterprise products don't need to simply "be functional," they need to be extensively tested for reliability. Consumer parts are set to run faster OOTB, but that also means more instability. Instability is something that must be avoided at all costs in enterprise products. For a gamer, occasional instability doesn't matter. Gaming will almost never run CPUs at full load for extended (i.e. 24+ hours) periods, and if a crash does happen it'll be blamed on Windows.

But EPYCs need to run for years at full load with no downtime.

That's why the highest quality silicon goes to EPYCs. They're the most stable, and they run slower because that gives them even more stability.

SL2Nobody is surprised here, right?

Unrelated:

Ryzen 9000 launched prematurely by not aligning with Windows updates, look how that ended up. Not sure who's to blame for that, don't really care.

9000 is fine, only dual CCD ones are problematic because of CPU scheduler. If you have 9800X3D or below, you were fine from beginning.

Pretty weak.

They could have made some available to the masses that already have hardware ready to go.

Seems to me they just pulled a low level Micron and bailed on consumers for a bit under the guise that Opteron is needed more.

RejZoRonly dual CCD ones are problematic because of CPU scheduler

This is just FUD.

This has not been a thing for like 2 years now.. at least.

freeagentThis is just FUD.

This has not been a thing for like 2 years now.. at least.

Per the review of the 9950X:

Just two days ago, AMD notified us that "Ryzen 9 9900X and 9950X have Windows Game Mode core parking optimizations installed by the AMD PPM Provisioning File Driver," and that "Windows game mode must be enabled," "Xbox Game Bar must be enabled and up to date in the Microsoft Store," "the legacy Control Panel Power Options must be set to the default 'Balanced' scheme," and that "sometimes Windows does not apply the correct provisioning after the CPU installed has changed. You can try uninstalling then re-installing the AMD Chipset Driver as a workaround, but a fresh install of Windows is ideal." That's a lot of hoops to jump through for a dual CCD processor. Yes, we tested both 9900X and 9950X with those optimizations enabled. Previously this was required only for the dual CCD X3D models, so that games could be pushed onto the cores with 3D V-Cache. On Zen 5, AMD is using the same mechanism to improve game thread allocation, probably to put them on the cores with the highest default clocks. The difference should be pretty small though. I doubt it's more than a few percent and I probably would rather get rid of Game Bar instead.

And after the underwhelming launch of Ryzen 9000, Microsoft/AMD ended up needing 24H2 to get a significant upgrade in gaming performance.
www.techpowerup.com/325829/amd-works-with-microsoft-to-improve-zen-3-thru-zen-5-performance-in-windows-11-24h2
www.techpowerup.com/325967/amd-ryzen-9000-series-zen-5-tested-on-windows-11-24h2-update-shows-significant-performance-gains

Not sure what to say man. The games I play on Steam are always running on CCD0. They never cross over

LastDudeALiveNo, a 3 year old post is absolutely not good enough lmao. Everything in that article is outdated. There is absolutely no reason to think that 70% N7 utilization in 2023 has any relevance to N7 utilization in 2026.

And Global Foundries is almost certainly in the same spot. Their old, cheap 12nm node is being used for other stuff now.

But you can check the revenue share of N7 versus others and you would find out that.

And also:
globalsemiresearch.substack.com/p/decoding-tsmcs-advanced-process-roadmap

JohHAnd it should have shipped about a year ago if AMD didn't let schedule slips compound.

Zen 6 was always planned for 2026. Zen 4 and Zen 5 also got delivered in their expected halves, H2 of both 2022 and 2024.
This here may be the exception where Zen 6 still gets delivered in time, but only for Epyc, with Ryzen coming late. And that's if those rumors are true.

JohHand they ship all-around better cores.

Depending on your workload*

JohHAMD has consistently missed everything since Zen 4*

They haven't.

JohH* except some Instinct products - where their entire priority lies

Epyc as well.

JohHAMD is not shipping the gaming CPUs they should have been shipping because they are cumulatively a year behind schedule

It'd be nice if you could provide any source for your claims, because all roadmaps that I've seen since 2022 point to Zen 6 becoming a thing only in 2026.
Nonetheless, they are "not shipping the gaming CPUs they should have been shipping" because they don't have to. The Zen core focus is improving performance for Epyc first and foremost, with the second priority being the monolithic mobile dies. Ryzen just gets the remaining of the stuff with a cobbled together IOD.
Nonetheless, that's not a bottleneck for games so it doesn't really matter.

LastDudeALiveThat's why the highest quality silicon goes to EPYCs. They're the most stable, and they run slower because that gives them even more stability.

No. They highest quality silicon goes to the Epyc bins with lots of cores and high frequencies. Bins with lots of leakage get the lower clocking variants. Defective CCDs end up in the low core count parts.
The whole idea of a common CCD across their stack is that they can re-use it in many different categories. Epyc has a shit ton of SKUs due to that flexibility.

LastDudeALiveEnterprise products don't need to simply "be functional," they need to be extensively tested for reliability. Consumer parts are set to run faster OOTB, but that also means more instability. Instability is something that must be avoided at all costs in enterprise products. But EPYCs need to run for years at full load with no downtime.

Yes, being functional in EPYC context usually means that.

LastDudeALiveThat's why the highest quality silicon goes to EPYCs. They're the most stable, and they run slower because that gives them even more stability.

No. The same answer as @igormp
The quality of silicon varies across SKUs. AMD knows very well how to mix-and-match.

LastDudeALiveFor a gamer, occasional instability doesn't matter. Gaming will almost never run CPUs at full load for extended (i.e. 24+ hours) periods, and if a crash does happen it'll be blamed on Windows.

Desktop parts are not for gamers only, but entry productivity folks too. 9950X also needs to run with high fidelity all day long in a rendering rig, and with higher clocks than EPYCs.

JohHBut AMD can use Nvidia GPUs which makes it the fastest CPU that can actually game.

Another nonsense. AMD CPUs are faster in gaming than Intel's both on Nvidia and on AMD GPUs.

How about you checking stuff before you post another nonsense? There is Google...there is AI... there are reviews...
It's tiring to be correcting you all the time.

Another Months Delay

Wasn’t that always the plan with zen 6? End of the year for server and march 2027 for desktop?

Tek-CheckIs there anything that you do not understand in the meaning of the word 'rumor'?

I learned how not to be a condescending douchebag with lessons learnt from reading your posts maybe you should do the same....

Hecate91Zen 6 being delayed is still just a rumor, but would make sense if it was true, because of TSMC supply, and anyone building a new platform can't buy RAM or an SSD anyway.

Unless there are production issues with TSMC, higher demand shouldn't negatively affect production capacity.

And claiming that people can't buy memory or SSDs is very disingenuous. While the selection is slim, and the stocks are usually low, the shipped volume to the consumer market is just a few percent down from an all-time high. While you probably can't find the super OC memory you want at a reasonable price, you can find excellent JEDEC spec memory at doable prices, combined with great deals on CPUs and motherboards. So it shouldn't prevent most from getting a reasonable upgrade, especially if they cut out all the wasteful stuff that doesn't really affect performance.

LastDudeALiveThat's why the highest quality silicon goes to EPYCs. They're the most stable, and they run slower because that gives them even more stability.

You would think people at this point were more knowledgeable than thinking server grade CPUs were just consumer CPUs with lower turbo, when it's been known for decades that the "top" selection goes to server chips. While I don't know the exact proportion, AMD did state for Zen 1 that only ~5% of chips qualified for Threadripper, so it's probably in that neighborhood for server chips too. And to be clear, it's not the same bins that goes to workstation chips that goes to server chips. Some server chips are also further segmented based on various characteristics, like some have exceptional efficiency due to having a sweet-spot at a lower voltage, so it's not like a linear scale of silicon quality.

Server chips are certified for 24-7 load for years, some models up to 10 years of continuous load.

LastDudeALiveInstability is something that must be avoided at all costs in enterprise products. For a gamer, occasional instability doesn't matter. Gaming will almost never run CPUs at full load for extended (i.e. 24+ hours) periods, and if a crash does happen it'll be blamed on Windows.

Let's not conflate different kinds of instability.
Servers have two major advantages, one due to ECC memory which protects against corruption in memory in runtime, and the higher quality silicon (often) combined with more conservative boosting resulting in lower degradation over time. The latter of which only comes into play after months or years of contious load, so any correctly configured consumer CPU should do just fine for occasional prolonged loads without crashing.

If it crashes for other reasons than a degraded chip or very long runtime, then there's something else wrong in either hardware or software. Some of this is rightfully blamed on Windows, as there's an undeniable difference vs. Linux, but there are also a host of other reasons. Insufficient cooling affects both custom built PCs and prebuilts, even with big AiOs if there's not enough air flow. But most common among custom built PCs are problems due to overclocked memory.

efikkanLet's not conflate different kinds of instability.
Servers have two major advantages, one due to ECC memory which protects against corruption in memory in runtime, and the higher quality silicon (often) combined with more conservative boosting resulting in lower degradation over time. The latter of which only comes into play after months or years of contious load, so any correctly configured consumer CPU should do just fine for occasional prolonged loads without crashing.

Didn't I read somewhere that companies were forced ("forced") to buy consumer grade hardware due to the shortages?!

efikkanIf it crashes for other reasons than a degraded chip or very long runtime, then there's something else wrong in either hardware or software. Some of this is rightfully blamed on Windows, as there's an undeniable difference vs. Linux, but there are also a host of other reasons. Insufficient cooling affects both custom built PCs and prebuilts, even with big AiOs if there's not enough air flow. But most common among custom built PCs are problems due to overclocked memory.

I hate that Microsoft might be vibecoding Windows, but it's inevitable

nautil.us/is-artificial-intelligence-permanently-inscrutable-236088/

www.pcmag.com/news/is-openais-rumored-20000-ai-agent-good-enough-to-take-your-job

What was that saying "No such thing as infinite growth on a finite planet" (PHDs don't grow on trees)...

Like we need newer CPUs anyway... I'm sure this 7800X3D will last me several more years.

Broken ProcessorI learned how not to be a condescending douchebag with lessons learnt from reading your posts maybe you should do the same....

Perhaps I should ask you in a different way:
Why did you react with public expression of anger to rumors?
What benefits did it bring to the comment section?

YouseethisWasn’t that always the plan with zen 6? End of the year for server and march 2027 for desktop?

EPYC this year, yes. Desktop, both from Intel and AMD, should be announced at CES.

My brain keeps reading it as "Ozempic" Ridge for some reason lol

efikkanAnd claiming that people can't buy memory or SSDs is very disingenuous. While the selection is slim, and the stocks are usually low, the shipped volume to the consumer market is just a few percent down from an all-time high. While you probably can't find the super OC memory you want at a reasonable price, you can find excellent JEDEC spec memory at doable prices, combined with great deals on CPUs and motherboards. So it shouldn't prevent most from getting a reasonable upgrade, especially if they cut out all the wasteful stuff that doesn't really affect performance.

This is the latest analysis of prices by ComputerBase. It does not look rosy, at all. Don't forget that not everyone would go for deals or have access to those locally.
www.computerbase.de/news/storage/speicherpreise-im-check-ram-ist-wieder-etwas-guenstiger-ssds-und-hdds-legen-weiter-zu.96170/

freeagentPretty weak.

They could have made some available to the masses that already have hardware ready to go.

Seems to me they just pulled a low level Micron and bailed on consumers for a bit under the guise that Opteron is needed more.


This is just FUD.

This has not been a thing for like 2 years now.. at least.

JayzTwoCents showed that it still is an issue. And while not that significant on symmetric CCDs, it absolutely is wonky on 9950X3D where one CCD is compute and another has X3D.

Tek-CheckThis is the latest analysis of prices by ComputerBase. It does not look rosy, at all. Don't forget that not everyone would go for deals or have access to those locally.
www.computerbase.de/news/storage/speicherpreise-im-check-ram-ist-wieder-etwas-guenstiger-ssds-und-hdds-legen-weiter-zu.96170/

Exactly, things don't look good at all. Memory is up over 400%, speculated to increase even more, SSD's are 80% more than they were last year, HDD's have jumped up by 50% with WD claiming they're out of HDD's for the rest of 2026.
A few SSD's are available but I wouldn't spend $500 on a 2TB NVMe SSD, and another $600 on 32GB of DDR5 6000 RAM when I can find any in stock, but nobody in their right mind would buy any ram or storage right now. There are rumors of the professional market buying consumer grade hardware, because of AI companies hoarding all of the datacenter class memory and storage.
A Zen 6 launch doesn't make very much sense for this year, only those with an AM5 motherboard could buy one as a drop in upgrade.