Friday, August 1st 2008

Goodbye NVIDIA nForce?

If the report from Taiwanese industry observer DigiTimes holds ground, NVIDIA could be wrapping up its chipset division. This was revealed by sources at top motherboard manufacturers who have attended a meeting with NVIDIA where the company sought support from them to continue the chipset business. The manufacturers didn't show obvious or in other words, positive support.

Here's how the exit of nForce could affect the industry and you :

  • It will debunk any recent speculation that Apple will be adopting Nvidia chipsets for its upcoming notebook products
  • You could be using the same motherboard for multi-GPU configurations across both ATI and NVIDIA hardware
  • The subtraction of the BR-04 chip on X58 motherboards could still fetch SLI given that some manufacturers hint that they wouldn't bother using it, forcing NVIDIA to "give it away", meaning use it directly on the platform
This means Nvidia needs to find a way of licensing and enabling multi-GPU support on motherboards using Intel and/or AMD chipsets fast. Otherwise it will have to cede the top-end of the graphics card market to AMD, which now has the benefit of Crossfire.

Update: NVIDIA has responded to the DigiTimes article saying that they are not leaving the chipset business and have no intention of doing so.sourceSource: DigiTimes
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63 Comments on Goodbye NVIDIA nForce?

#1
candle_86
Nvidia would not commit suicide there are plently of nforce loyal users out there, and im one of them. Nfroce since the Nforce2 has been my platform of choice, always offered great features, decent price, and great overclocks. The intel chipsets from Nvidia don't suck, the 680i wasn't made for 45nm or quad support so the fact they are unstable at times and OC crappy with them shouldn't be a suprise, and the reports of the 780i and 790i are great, and lets not forget the older mainstay for AMD the Nforce 590SLI is still a great chipset.
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#2
robspierre6
sli

xfire scales pretty well in almost all games.theres no advantage for sli over xfire.the 3800 series cards from ati used the SFR "Split Frame Rendering" where each frame is divided in two and each half is sent to a different GPU to be processed. wich is used in the 8-9-200 series cards from nvidia.
now in the 4800 series ATI came up with SuperTiling: Under this mode the screen is divided into several small squared portions (or “tiles”), each one measuring 32x32 pixels, and each video card is in charge of handling part of the available tiles.With dynamic load balancing
technology implemented in the new cards,using to different cards in speed won't be a problem cuz the piles will be divided on the cards so that the faster card will get more piles to render than the slower one.
Amd claims a great advantge for this method over the "SFR" used in the prev. radeon series.
Actually the 4870 in xfire beats the 280gtx in sli in a lot of games.
you can check at techreport or anandtech the review of the 4870x2/4870cf.

Talking about nvidia's sli, i think only AMD can save nvidia now.If AMd comes up with a great processor,then nvidia can use its nforce a series with AMD's processors and it wont need to get the nehalem license.
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#3
GSG-9
I think it would be bad for everyone (except intel) if Nvidia was pushed out of the chipset market (Yeah AMD to). Nvidia and ATi/MD might compete with there video cards but they both compete with Intel. When one of them loses ground that means intel has a bigger piece of the pie.
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Just my 2 cents ;)[/RIGHT]
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#4
Wile E
Power User
TheGuruStud said:
^^ A serious question here: Who in their right mind goes out of their way to buy a foxxconn? I've seen them in some low quality OEM machines, but that's about it. And after reading the story about their BIOSes....
You mean the "broken linux" story? Umm yeah, it's been discovered it's AMI's fault, for not updating the tables.

And have you noticed the the innovative products they've been showcasing for the last few months? Chipsets with factory cooling that can convert between air, water, and even DICE. There are a few other things they've been doing as well, but I don't feel like looking them up right now. lol.

TheGuruStud said:
That is incredibly unlikely. Nvidia may not push chipsets like intel, but those chipsets also aren't cheap pieces of crap.
Neither are Intel's. In fact, in recent years the Intel chipsets handily outperform the NV ones. Intel does lack in the IGP arena tho.




Personally, I hope all the major manufacturers do stop making NV mobos. I want to be able to run multi-card setups on ANY chipset. I hate this having to choose between SLI and Crossfire.
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#5
TheGuruStud
Wile E said:
You mean the "broken linux" story? Umm yeah, it's been discovered it's AMI's fault, for not updating the tables.

And have you noticed the the innovative products they've been showcasing for the last few months? Chipsets with factory cooling that can convert between air, water, and even DICE. There are a few other things they've been doing as well, but I don't feel like looking them up right now. lol.



Neither are Intel's. In fact, in recent years the Intel chipsets handily outperform the NV ones. Intel does lack in the IGP arena tho.




Personally, I hope all the major manufacturers do stop making NV mobos. I want to be able to run multi-card setups on ANY chipset. I hate this having to choose between SLI and Crossfire.
They claim its AMIs bug and supposedly it affects some other boards as well. I don't know what to think about that. I think they're all half full of it.

I've seen their flashy boards, but I'm not dumb enough to shell out that kind of cash when it can be better spent. It kind of reminds me of ECS. They make some "high(er) end" boards or w/e but I'm really not stupid enough to buy one haha. Foxconn is going to have to work to convince this guy :)

And when it comes to intel, I'd like to keep my board problem free. There's always something that pisses me off with their stuff. I've been using nvidia since nforce2 and haven't ever had a problem. But I come across all kinds of intel boards that make me hate them more than the day before. For example (now these were POS dells), but a laptop and a desktop with the same intel usb controller fried two of my flash drives. How does that happen? I have no idea, but someone from intel would've got stabbed if they were there.
edit: And then another usb controller would randomly drop connection. If you plug the device into a different controller it would work or if you uninstalled and reinstalled it, otherwise, it'd say nothing at all was connected. A lot of problems could be due to manuf of the board, but when you have so many problems and ONLY on intel boards, you just have to wonder.
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#6
Widjaja
I think it depends on the motherboard manufacturer and who the nforce chipset performs on thier nforce chipset based motherboard.

My motherboard can't overclock very well due to the vcore which is all over the place regardless of PSU.
Only way I have been able to OC the CPU is by raising the vcore higher than necessary.
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#7
Wile E
Power User
TheGuruStud said:
They claim its AMIs bug and supposedly it affects some other boards as well. I don't know what to think about that. I think they're all half full of it.

I've seen their flashy boards, but I'm not dumb enough to shell out that kind of cash when it can be better spent. It kind of reminds me of ECS. They make some "high(er) end" boards or w/e but I'm really not stupid enough to buy one haha. Foxconn is going to have to work to convince this guy :)

And when it comes to intel, I'd like to keep my board problem free. There's always something that pisses me off with their stuff. I've been using nvidia since nforce2 and haven't ever had a problem. But I come across all kinds of intel boards that make me hate them more than the day before. For example (now these were POS dells), but a laptop and a desktop with the same intel usb controller fried two of my flash drives. How does that happen? I have no idea, but someone from intel would've got stabbed if they were there.
Well, considering one of the famous (can't remember if it's Kingpin, Fugger, or what) overclockers is setting records on exclusively Foxconn boards, I'd say they came a long way.

And the only chipsets I've ever had problems with on an Intel platform is nVidia. I do like their AMD chipsets tho.
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#8
thebeephaha
[I.R.A]_FBi said:
you mean your 480i?
What? ......
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#9
Widjaja
Wile E said:
Well, considering one of the famous (can't remember if it's Kingpin, Fugger, or what) overclockers is setting records on exclusively Foxconn boards, I'd say they came a long way.
I'd say so as my motherboard was one of the first which came out from Foxconn.
Reviews ave also said it's not a fantastic overclocker but decided to see for myself.
Otherwise it is rocksolid at stock speeds and I didnt need to reinstall windows for this motherboard.

I just replaced my ABIT VIA chipset AGP motherboard with this one, forgot to set the boot priority to CD and windows popped up.
Removed the VIA chipset drivers, installed the nVidia chipset drivers and away it went flawless.

To check if there was any performance decrease I installed a fresh copy of windows on to my second HDD and found no difference in desktop loading speed or gaming performance.
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#10
powerwolf
So I can run my soon to be released 65nm Kuma in my soon to be released nForce 880a board? Cool!
Poor PR people. Why are they always the last to know?

Reports of NVIDIA abandoning the chipset market are completely untrue - "at this point in time". That is to say, they still have a lot of inventory to clear.;)
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#11
HAL7000
Well it wouldn't hurt my feeling if they jumped out of the chipset business. NV has gotten very brazen over time, if anything it is a wake up call to maintain better working relationships between all competitors. We need them all to keep things level. Intel, AMD and the once great VIA all better hope that NV stays in the dance. The battle of supremacy is a better fought by many competitors price wise,,,, for us the consumer.
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#12
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
TheGuruStud said:
^^ A serious question here: Who in their right mind goes out of their way to buy a foxxconn? I've seen them in some low quality OEM machines, but that's about it. And after reading the story about their BIOSes....






thats who foxconn is, thats there stock chipset cooler to

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196206

don't post things in here that insult a manuf unless you know the facts about them

TheGuruStud said:
They claim its AMIs bug and supposedly it affects some other boards as well. I don't know what to think about that. I think they're all half full of it.

I've seen their flashy boards, but I'm not dumb enough to shell out that kind of cash when it can be better spent. It kind of reminds me of ECS. They make some "high(er) end" boards or w/e but I'm really not stupid enough to buy one haha. Foxconn is going to have to work to convince this guy :)

And when it comes to intel, I'd like to keep my board problem free. There's always something that pisses me off with their stuff. I've been using nvidia since nforce2 and haven't ever had a problem. But I come across all kinds of intel boards that make me hate them more than the day before. For example (now these were POS dells), but a laptop and a desktop with the same intel usb controller fried two of my flash drives. How does that happen? I have no idea, but someone from intel would've got stabbed if they were there.
edit: And then another usb controller would randomly drop connection. If you plug the device into a different controller it would work or if you uninstalled and reinstalled it, otherwise, it'd say nothing at all was connected. A lot of problems could be due to manuf of the board, but when you have so many problems and ONLY on intel boards, you just have to wonder.
you find an ECS that will push a QX9650 to 5.8ghz and post it here for me and i will admit foxconn is no better than ECS
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#13
TheGuruStud
cdawall said:
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thats who foxconn is, thats there stock chipset cooler to

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=196206

don't post things in here that insult a manuf unless you know the facts about them



you find an ECS that will push a QX9650 to 5.8ghz and post it here for me and i will admit foxconn is no better than ECS
and..... I bet I can go get about 10 other boards that can do the same thing. 1 or 2 models that are "uber leet" still doesn't impress me. All of their mainstream stuff looks pretty lackluster to me.
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#14
[I.R.A]_FBi
all the above proves is something ive been saying for ages, your name is made in the middle and not at the top
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#15
TheGuruStud
[I.R.A]_FBi said:
all the above proves is something ive been saying for ages, your name is made in the middle and not at the top
*whaaa whaaaa whaaaa* someone doesn't agree with me or like shitty MBs, so I call them a retard *whaaaaa*

Whoopdeegoddamndoo. So, let me guess, you like vista/M$, intel, foxconn and some other asshole manufacturers. Good, I don't give a shit and have plenty of grounds to hate or dislike them. Exceptions to the rule doesn't sway my judgement of a product or company.

Oh, and I know I'm an asshole and I don't really care. All of my positions are always against the grain.
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#16
[I.R.A]_FBi
TheGuruStud said:
*whaaa whaaaa whaaaa* someone doesn't agree with me or like shitty MBs, so I call them a retard *whaaaaa*

Whoopdeegoddamndoo. So, let me guess, you like vista/M$, intel, foxconn and some other asshole manufacturers. Good, I don't give a shit and have plenty of grounds to hate or dislike them. Exceptions to the rule doesn't sway my judgement of a product or company.

Oh, and I know I'm an asshole and I don't really care. All of my positions are always against the grain.
I actually was agreeing with you. Or maybe thats ur twisted way of saying thanks for support, or kinship due to a common thought. Either way im good.

ps: i hate brand whores
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#17
TheGuruStud
[I.R.A]_FBi said:
I actually was agreeing with you. Or maybe thats ur twisted way of saying thanks for support, or kinship due to a common thought. Either way im good.

ps: i hate brand whores
Well, it looks you're calling me a retard, which is cool b/c I do it a lot. It's still morning here, so I'm probably extra pissy.
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#18
TheLostSwede
I think a few points have been missed here. First of all, several large motherboard manufacturers have cancelled all their Nvidia designs, not just 790i, but I'm sure we'll hear about this soon enough.

Nvidia will still launch the MCP7A, but the question is what the company will do after that. It will sell the nForce 200 as a compliment for the X58 chipset to allow for SLi on an Intel platform, but again, most motherboard manufacturers are unlikely to add this chip to an already expensive motherboard. Besides, it adds a lot of extra heat and requires extra cooling which adds even more cost.

Besides, with no QPI license, lack of support from motherboard manufacturers etc. it's only a matter of time before they call it quits.
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#19
Widjaja
CDAwall

What is that thing which looks like a mouldy toilet roll next to the blue LED fan?
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#20
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
TheGuruStud said:
and..... I bet I can go get about 10 other boards that can do the same thing. 1 or 2 models that are "uber leet" still doesn't impress me. All of their mainstream stuff looks pretty lackluster to me.
thats so wrong when people look at things 9 times out of 10 they check the best of the best and then look at that companies mid range and look up the foxconn P35-a midrange and good mobo. the A7GM-S 780G and offers support for 125w chips something only top end boards support yet its $66. want some more X38A, P9657AA-8KS2H and the 975X7AB-8EKRS2H and those are just the intel LGA775 boards sold on newegg. you obviously don't know who foxconn is which is fine but insult a product you dont know anything about is just points out your ignorance.

oh and i'm loving the anit-vidsta comment cause that just proves you can't try anything new. don't like MS? thats fine get a mac wait no foxconn makes there stuff
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#21
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
Widjaja said:
CDAwall

What is that thing which looks like a mouldy toilet roll next to the blue LED fan?
LN2 pot
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#22
Widjaja
I do have to admit the latest BIOS for my Foxconn motherboard was pretty dodgy.
Not with performance but with installation.

It had a random and pointless password on the .bin file.
The BIOS would not install as it had the wrong AWDFLASH file included.
I had to install it manually for it to work.
Instructions were misleading.
Forum support is terrible because of the layout and the fact I and most others would get http400 error instead of being able to connect with the forum.
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#23
[I.R.A]_FBi
cdawall said:
LN2 pot
is it better thasn regular pot?
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#24
TheGuruStud
cdawall said:
thats so wrong when people look at things 9 times out of 10 they check the best of the best and then look at that companies mid range and look up the foxconn P35-a midrange and good mobo. the A7GM-S 780G and offers support for 125w chips something only top end boards support yet its $66. want some more X38A, P9657AA-8KS2H and the 975X7AB-8EKRS2H and those are just the intel LGA775 boards sold on newegg. you obviously don't know who foxconn is which is fine but insult a product you dont know anything about is just points out your ignorance.

oh and i'm loving the anit-vidsta comment cause that just proves you can't try anything new. don't like MS? thats fine get a mac wait no foxconn makes there stuff
Yeah, I've used vista plenty, nice try. Why would I buy a mac, I'm not retarded (leo4all) and that's all the more reason I wouldn't if they make the boards haha.

wooo, 125w, if your board can't handle that, it's crap through and through (whether it supports it or not).

and not that newegg is reliable, but it seems quite a few people don't think those are awesome boards.
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#25
DrPepper
The Doctor is in the house
All I can vouch for with foxconn is I've got an IDE cable from them and it served me for like 2 years :cool: Then i upgraded to an asus one :laugh:
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