Monday, September 1st 2008

RivaTuner Creator Protests Anti-Russian Nazism, Bans NvNews Linkage

Alexey Nicolaychuk, popularly known by the computer enthusiast community as "Unwinder", creator of RivaTuner graphics card tweaking utility, lodged a strong protest against community members of NvNews for allegedly using slurs against his national identity. Community members of NvNews will not be able to post links to download RivaTuner as they are explicitly blocked by the author. Not that they can't get the software some way or another, but that it is more of a retaliation by Unwinder to contents of this thread, which portrays mockery against Russia and the recent Russian-Georgian conflict. The most recent license-agreement of RivaTuner now shows an added clause:
New license agreement explicitly restricts publishing any links to RivaTuner on nvnews.net homepage or in nvnews.net discussion forums. Russian software can not co-exist with the community tolerating anti-Russian nazism.


While the forum thread that had those slurs was closed rather quickly by the forum staff at the post count of 6, ironically, the same staff didn't find it necessary to delete those comments or the thread as a whole, or the thread that followed Unwinder's actions on NvNews forums that had posts of retaliatory nature with extreme personal attacks towards Unwinder. It made 198 replies without moderation of any sort. At least it didn't seem like the forum staff was doing its job, but since it claims to be a "fansite", they may have variable thresholds to trigger moderation. Some members even protested that Unwinder was making "Anti Free Speach [sic] remarks". Truly, the Internet is serious business.
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57 Comments on RivaTuner Creator Protests Anti-Russian Nazism, Bans NvNews Linkage

#1
candle_86
nvnews unlike the rest of the tech forums is pro american, anti-liberal. Its very obvious at that, and just like me they don't trust Russia and all Russia has been doing in Georgia is murdering. Georgia went to get its own land back, and Russia attacked them.
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btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
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#3
WhiteLotus
candle_86 said:
nvnews unlike the rest of the tech forums is pro american, anti-liberal. Its very obvious at that, and just like me they don't trust Russia and all Russia has been doing in Georgia is murdering. Georgia went to get its own land back, and Russia attacked them.
Georgians own land!!?!?!?!? :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:


South Ossetia claimed independence from Georgia about 20 odd years ago. The Russians respected that, the Georgians did not. The Georgians have been skirmishing with S.O now for a very long time and Civilians with Russian passports happily living in S.O haven been dying.

The Russian pretty much said enough is enough. Fuck with a free country and you fuck with us.

If anything the Russians were having a war on terrormongerus - isn't that what the USA wants?

Seriously our Government needs to stop kissing your American "Shoot-first-ask-questions-later" trigger happy foreign policies that are doing nothing but de-stabilise the World's politics.
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#4
candle_86
S.O. was never recognized by the UN, NATO, or Georgia as a nation, Russia by attacking S. O. attacked Georgia
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#5
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Alright. Let's not resume a debate that was closed weeks ago.


Candle, in case you don't know, Georgia is a country too :) So nobody is being "pro-America" by flaming a Russian who has NOTHING to do with the Russia-Georgia conflict, they're just being pro-idiocy, anti-logic and null-brain.
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#6
PVTCaboose1337
Graphical Hacker
I have to say, no matter what side you are on, good for him. I think he is quite clever and this is a strong way to show he will not stand for this without violence.
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#7
WhiteLotus
I would continue this debate with you Candle via PM but I know you wont bother replying.
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#8
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
well i guess nvnews will think twice before ATTACKING THE NATIONALITY of someone who makes one of the best tweaking tools out there.

this is like someone attacking w1z for his nationality its crap it s stupid and he deserves more than that. i would hope that w1z did the exact same thing with all of his software if they pulled some garbage like that here or anywere else for that matter!

if he really wants to get them he will just get a hold of the sponsors of nvnews and point out the posts and see if they get their review samples etc pulled :D
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#9
xkm1948
propaganda is everywhere.

russian government. US govenrment. What's the difference!

Crap!
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#10
phanbuey
Trying to argue with idiots is a bit like pissing in the ocean. No matter how much you do it, it wont make a shred of difference.

We could never pretend for one second what would happen if there was a section of ethnic americans living in oh say... Iraq... Or that Russia's war with Georgia wont cause 1/100th of the casualties of Iraq.

Im not saying its right- it isn't... but i think (those) people forget that everyone's Sh*T stinks.
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Polaris573
Senior Moderator
This thread is a powder keg. I would like to give a preemptive warning and ask everyone to remember to be civil and stay on topic.

The topic, for those who need reminding, is the drama between nvnews and Unwinder.
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#12
candle_86
cdawall said:
well i guess nvnews will think twice before ATTACKING THE NATIONALITY of someone who makes one of the best tweaking tools out there.

this is like someone attacking w1z for his nationality its crap it s stupid and he deserves more than that. i would hope that w1z did the exact same thing with all of his software if they pulled some garbage like that here or anywere else for that matter!

if he really wants to get them he will just get a hold of the sponsors of nvnews and point out the posts and see if they get their review samples etc pulled :D
The links to his software are on guru3d, and guru3d does not have a polocy of no links they encourage it. There isn't much unwinder can do
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#13
erocker
Senior Moderator
Alex is an individual, he's not the Russian government. I'd be upset too if I worked my butt off to produce a free application and get heat because of where I live or my nationality. What a load of crap! If people are having problems with the Russian government they need to go address the leaders of their government, and not go bash a nice guy who makes free software so we can all get the most out of our video cards made by fine people who get paid less in a month than some of us get paid in an hour. The point to my last sentence is you can find anything to complain and moan about, so stop blaming the people who are not part of the problem/solution.
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#14
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
candle_86 said:
The links to his software are on guru3d, and guru3d does not have a polocy of no links they encourage it. There isn't much unwinder can do
actually there is a lot he can do he is the sole proprietor of that piece of software therefore he can do with it as he pleases. its says no one there can discuss or use it from nvnews thus if they do they violate the copyright and he can sue and he WILL win the case
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largon
cdawall said:
actually there is a lot he can do he is the sole proprietor of that piece of software therefore he can do with it as he pleases. its says no one there can discuss or use it from nvnews thus if they do they violate the copyright and he can sue and he WILL win the case
No, he wouldn't win. He wouldn't even get into the court room...
Usage of Rivatuner and as such accepting the EULA is not required for posting on NVNews forums. This means the author of RivaTuner has no right whatsoever to tell people what to post on NVNews. The new anti-nVNews-EULA is nothing but an empty statement.
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#16
cdawall
where the hell are my stars
largon said:
:roll:
That's a completely empty statement.
Usage of Rivatuner and as such accepting the EULA is not required for posting on NVNews forums. This means the author of RivaTuner has no right whatsoever to tell people what to post on NVNews.
but he can restrict them from using his program hell if he wants to he could say anyone with the name Joe Bob can't use rivatuner its up to him its his program its his EULA agreement and violating that is grounds for a lawsuit
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#17
flclisgreat
i agree with unwinder here. them 2 people in particular seam like douche bags. along with the whole thread of them after the EULA thing
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#18
candle_86
cdawall said:
but he can restrict them from using his program hell if he wants to he could say anyone with the name Joe Bob can't use rivatuner its up to him its his program its his EULA agreement and violating that is grounds for a lawsuit
none the less he can't force a website to stop talking about it or posting links, thats the discretion of guru3d, if they want to block incomming from nvnews. What should be done is Hilbert if he had half a brain would tell unwinder to hit the road, all its doing is giving a bad rep to guru3d and they have a bad enough one already.
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btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
candle_86 said:
all its doing is giving a bad rep to guru3d and they have a bad enough one already.
Let me guess...for banning you?

candle_86 said:
none the less he can't force a website to stop talking about it or posting links, thats the discretion of guru3d, if they want to block incomming from nvnews. What should be done is Hilbert if he had half a brain would tell unwinder to hit the road, all its doing is giving a bad rep to
Instead, think about the rep of NvNews, their staff in general, for letting racist slurs fly all over the forum while they themselves participated in them, again being selective on what to delete, what not to, whom to (really) ban, whom not to. Anyone would react the way Unwinder did, if you look at the flack he faced at NVN.

After so much effort is put into making RivaTuner, if someone belittles him saying "how much Georgian blood went into making it?" (and their moderators do NOTHING about this !!!) why shouldn't he react in that way?
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#20
pentastar111
btarunr said:

I agree 100% ... I will also add...It does appear that they did close the thread...It's not like it's still ongoing...I read U.S.A. bashing comments all the time...phttt! big DEAL...been slandered and called way worse names by far better people...WHO CARES!!!! If Unwinder wants to do what he does...fine...If G3D and Hibert want to do what they're doing fine...We've a nice little community here, i really don't care what any of these yokals do...It really should'nt affect us as it has nothing to do with us.
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#21
candle_86
btarunr said:
Let me guess...for banning you?



Instead, think about the rep of NvNews, their staff in general, for letting racist slurs fly all over the forum while they themselves participated in them, again being selective on what to delete, what not to, whom to (really) ban, whom not to. Anyone would react the way Unwinder did, if you look at the flack he faced at NVN.

After so much effort is put into making RivaTuner, if someone belittles him saying "how much Georgian blood went into making it?" (and their moderators do NOTHING about this !!!) why shouldn't he react in that way?
he went a conservative site, has read it before, knows they are conservative, also knows they can't stand Russia or Iran because of there actions and he went and picked a fight is what he did. I personally applaud nvnews for there remarks on this issue, he picked the fight and now he acts like a child, after telling the admins who he wants banned. I don't come here and say I want someone banned. And its no diffrent here than there, the mods here are liberals in nature and lock delete anything ultra conservative or non polticlly correct also blocking both views at times, the only diffrence is you agree with the views here and not there. Its there forum to do what they please with it, unwinder openly supports the genocide of Georgian citizens, he has openly admitted that, and you expect no come back honestly bta. All this boils down to is senseless Russian Agreesion and this programer taking it from the war to the internet to get a polotical agenda across. I don't speak for this forum, but anyone that came here and made similar posts id have an issue with also.
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btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
candle_86 said:
he went a conservative site, has read it before, knows they are conservative, also knows they can't stand Russia or Iran because of there actions and he went and picked a fight is what he did. I personally applaud nvnews for there remarks on this issue, he picked the fight and now he acts like a child, after telling the admins who he wants banned. I don't come here and say I want someone banned. And its no diffrent here than there, the mods here are liberals in nature and lock delete anything ultra conservative or non polticlly correct also blocking both views at times, the only diffrence is you agree with the views here and not there. Its there forum to do what they please with it, unwinder openly supports the genocide of Georgian citizens, he has openly admitted that, and you expect no come back honestly bta. All this boils down to is senseless Russian Agreesion and this programer taking it from the war to the internet to get a polotical agenda across. I don't speak for this forum, but anyone that came here and made similar posts id have an issue with also.
Unfortunately, the site claims to be a NVIDIA fansite, nowhere on the homepage is it mentioned pit of trolls "conservative". A Russian wouldn't know/care if America is split from within between conservatives and liberals. All he did was choose not to take crap, pointless accusations, and BS such as "how much Georgian blood went into making" his free computer program that has nothing to do with politics, when you start up RivaTuner, it doesn't play out Russian Propaganda, it's a no-nonsense app with which you get a free performance boost. Is that hard to understand? You applaud that? Thanks, you've just typed out important info about yourself that helps this site's forum staff in dealing with problems in the future. Info not as in "candle loves NvNews" but info as in "candle thinks like them".
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#23
ShiBDiB
Good for him, if the users want his program they just have to go to another site to get it. No big deal, but he's proving a point and I like it.
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#24
Polaris573
Senior Moderator
candle_86 said:
And its no diffrent here than there, the mods here are liberals in nature and lock delete anything ultra conservative
If that were true you would have been banned a long time ago. Get off your high horse and don't drag us into this. You can take your mere existence here as proof positive we don't lash out at people just for disagreeing with their political viewpoints. Unfortunately, my tolerance of differing viewpoints has to extend to you as well.

So once again. Don't drag Techpowerup into this we have nothing to do with it.
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#25
newconroer
Katanai said:
Damn. This just goes to show how some forums are... I've stumbled across stuff like this too, where everybody thought I was black because of an avatar. I've found out for myself how you're treated if you're not a white american by some of these scumbags... :shadedshu It's just sad really as nationality or race shouldn't be an issue on the internet...
You know, it's ignorant retaliatory attitudes like that, that just fuel the fire for stereotypes in the first place.


Why shouldn't race, religion, nationality, creed, sexual orientation and etc. be relevant? It's still a human behind the screen. Since when did the internet become a haven for faceless punks? Ok, I guess that answer is self explanitory. Let me try again : Since when did the pre-requisite for using the internet, start requiring the user to be a faceless punk?

That's a prime problem of the internet; noone wants to take responsibility for their words and/or actions.


Anyways, Alexey is just another little *****, who's gotten too used to adoration and adulation on the internet, because he made some two-bit program that got popular. His ego is rampant, and the mods are slack to him; he's like the equivilant to a 'superstar' in a sports league. His voice carries more weight, and his negative actions go less noticed. He thought he was invincible, then made the mistake of opening his mouth one too many times and it caught up with him.

I really don't care about the instigator, because if someone's just being a dipshit, then there you go, life's full of them, move on. But when you retaliate, you're just as guilty as the provoker AND +1 for being too emotional or too stupid to realise you're committing the same offense, and didn't bother to learn from that person's mistake.

and WTF does this have to do with Nazism?


Anyways, I love how moderators threaten, and close and ban, but then manage to leave all the incriminating evidence (posts) behind, instead of wiping them out........


PS, I thought the flag drawing was funny. Am I a "Nazi!!!!???!!?"
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