AMD RDNA 2 "Big Navi" to Feature 12 GB and 16 GB VRAM Configurations

[medi01]

2019s LG OLEDs wont work with Big Navi

2019 LG OLEDs support HDMI VRR, which Big Navi is highly unlikely NOT to support, please, don't spread FUD, user who registered today to post that strange message.

 

[FreedomOfSpeech]

Here is my source, sry, it's in german because I'm from germany.

LGs OLEDs aus dem Jahr 2019 müssen auf AMD FreeSync verzichten

Die LG-OLED-TVs des Jahres 2019 sind exzellent für Spiele geeignet: Sie bieten sehr geringen Input Lag und unterstützen bereits HDMI 2.1. ...

stadt-bremerhaven.de

 

[F-man4]

Large VRAM is useful for working but useless for gaming.

 

[ARF]

If you think a $700 on par with a 2080 is mid-range then you're going to have to wait to get high end until the aliens visit.

The price tag itself doesn't tell the whole story. In this case, it's super overpriced because of several factors, but yes, on 7nm technology, that is mid-range performance.
RTX 2080 is 16nm/12nm.

 

[Patriot]

Here is my source, sry, it's in german because I'm from germany.

LGs OLEDs aus dem Jahr 2019 müssen auf AMD FreeSync verzichten

Die LG-OLED-TVs des Jahres 2019 sind exzellent für Spiele geeignet: Sie bieten sehr geringen Input Lag und unterstützen bereits HDMI 2.1. ...

stadt-bremerhaven.de

Don't care the language, personal blogs yours or otherwise are not sources they are opinions. The blog itself appears to be lower than WCCFtech...

 

[Valantar]

Don't care the language, personal blogs yours or otherwise are not sources they are opinions. The blog itself appears to be lower than WCCFtech...

LG has been pretty clear on this for a while now. The G-sync implementation on these TVs was a bespoke implementation, not FS-over-HDMI, and does not work on AMD cards. They have also confirmed publicly that FreeSync support will not be added to them in the future. What isn't quite clear is whether this means that future HDMI 2.1-equipped AMD cards will also be out of luck, or if these are compatible through HDMI VRR - because it isn't clear whether these TVs fully support HDMI VRR. It could go either way depending on how interested LG is in providing this service to existing users, given that their new 2020 models are advertised as working with GPUs from both vendors.

 

[FreedomOfSpeech]

Thanks Valantar. Sry to disappoint you, Patriot and medi01.

 

[Kapone33]

Large VRAM is useful for working but useless for gaming.

Unless you like to play at 4K.

 

[Patriot]

LG has been pretty clear on this for a while now. The G-sync implementation on these TVs was a bespoke implementation, not FS-over-HDMI, and does not work on AMD cards. They have also confirmed publicly that FreeSync support will not be added to them in the future. What isn't quite clear is whether this means that future HDMI 2.1-equipped AMD cards will also be out of luck, or if these are compatible through HDMI VRR - because it isn't clear whether these TVs fully support HDMI VRR. It could go either way depending on how interested LG is in providing this service to existing users, given that their new 2020 models are advertised as working with GPUs from both vendors.

Ah more TVs that claim specs that they don't actually support, cool cool.

Sorry for jumping on you new germen blog poster, I read quoted message which was truncated from your original greatly changing the meaning. Will not function is different than will not support VRR universally.
Please use real sources that cite things not blogs...

https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/08/10/lgs-2019-oled-tvs-arent-getting-amd-freesync/ Notice how they link their source?

 

[Chrispy_]

Looking at 250mm2 5700/XT vs 2070/2060 and supers, seriously?

Are you really going to use die size to equate two products on completely different process nodes? Like, really?
/Facepalm.

Navi10 is great, but it's about a cheap, good-enough part for AMD. At 10.3 billion transistors its closest Nvidia relative is the original 2070 (full-fat TU106) that has 10.8 billion transistors.

They trade blows but I reckon the 5700XT wins more than it loses and is about 10% ahead. That sounds about right, if you look at all the various reviews around the web, the 5700XT is a little bit faster than the 5700XT and how much faster depends on the game selection tested.

Here's the thing(s) though:

• AMD has the process node advantage; 7nm vs 12nm
• AMD has the clock frequency advantage; ~1905MHz vs 1620MHz
• AMD has the shader count advantage; 2560 vs 2304
• AMD needs 30% more power, despite the more efficient node; 225W vs 175W
• AMD uses all 10.3bn transistors without tensor cores or raytracing support; TU106's 10.8bn transistors includes all that.

So yeah, Nvidia has the architectural advantage. If you took the exact same specs that Navi10 has and made a 7nm, TU106 part with 2560 CUDA cores and let it use 225W, it would stomp all over the 5700XT. Oh, and it would still have DLSS and hardware raytracing support that Navi10 lacks.

 

[ARF]

• AMD has the clock frequency advantage; ~1905MHz vs 1620MHz

I thought that every RTX 2080 Ti card can hit 2000-2100 MHz.

 

[windwhirl]

I thought that every RTX 2080 Ti card can hit 2000-2100 MHz.

According to TPU's GPU database , at best they reach 18xx MHz for boost clock. Pretty close, though.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER Specs

NVIDIA TU104, 1815 MHz, 3072 Cores, 192 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1937 MHz, 256 bit

www.techpowerup.com

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Specs

NVIDIA TU102, 1545 MHz, 4352 Cores, 272 TMUs, 88 ROPs, 11264 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 352 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Chrispy_]

I thought that every RTX 2080 Ti card can hit 2000-2100 MHz.

Where did I mention a 2080Ti? You need to read, then think, then comment

The big video of 2070 vs 5700XT was the first clue, but also all the specs in that bullet-point list are 2070 specs. There are three mentions of TU106 and two mentions of 2070.

I picked the 2070 because it's the closest price/transistor count match for navi10 and is also the fully enabled silicon, not a chopped down variant like the 5600XT or 2060S.

 

[ARF]

2080 Ti Owners, what are your overclock settings? (Core clock/memory clock)

Pretty much every card hits 2000-2100mhz overclocked. So just boost your power to whatever maximum your card allows, add anywhere from 100-200mhz or so depending on your card to reach the before mentioned overclock range and you good to go.
Pretty much every card also gets the same memory overclock from anywhere to +500-800mhz.
FE cards just need the fan rpm turned up a bit higher but get the same clocks as the rest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/9jzbon

Where did I mention a 2080Ti? You need to read, then think, then comment

If the largest chip with the highest power consumption can hit over 2 GHz with ease, then the smaller chips should do at least on par.

 

[Kapone33]

If the largest chip with the highest power consumption can hit over 2 GHz with ease, then the smaller chips should do at least on par.
[/QUOTE]
What?

 

[JAB Creations]

The price tag itself doesn't tell the whole story. In this case, it's super overpriced because of several factors, but yes, on 7nm technology, that is mid-range performance.
RTX 2080 is 16nm/12nm.

Okay, that makes much more sense relative to itself though the 5000 series did not exist until the Radeon 7 was discontinued. It was high end for what it was: Vega at 7nm.

 

[mouacyk]

Unless you like to play at 4K.

Or lots of mip-map levels or lots of texture varieties in the same scene. Photogrammetry is the new mega texture.

 

[Kapone33]

Or lots of mip-map levels or lots of texture varieties in the same scene. Photogrammetry is the new mega texture.

Exactly why I bought a 1440P monitor for Gaming the difference in picture quality is not as drastic as 1080P to 1440P but 4K eats GPUs for breakfast and lunch.

 

[Chrispy_]

I thought that every RTX 2080 Ti card can hit 2000-2100 MHz.

It probably can, but WTF does that have to do with my point? I wasn't even replying to you - you've just successfully trolled the discussion with your inability to understand english.

If the largest chip with the highest power consumption can hit over 2 GHz with ease, then the smaller chips should do at least on par.

What?
Do you even have a clue what you're talking about? Are you suggesting that a 10900K can reach 5.3GHz so the i3-10100 should be able to as well?
Are you sober right now, even?

 

[ARF]

It probably can, but WTF does that have to do with my point? I wasn't even replying to you - you've just successfully trolled the discussion with your inability to understand english.


What?
Do you even have a clue what you're talking about? Are you suggesting that a 10900K can reach 5.3GHz so the i3-10100 should be able to as well?
Are you sober right now, even?

You are wrong on every angle with regards to your claim that Radeons achieve higher clocks. That is some very serious shifting of the reality to some imaginary "facts".

 

[londiste]

LG has been pretty clear on this for a while now. The G-sync implementation on these TVs was a bespoke implementation, not FS-over-HDMI, and does not work on AMD cards. They have also confirmed publicly that FreeSync support will not be added to them in the future. What isn't quite clear is whether this means that future HDMI 2.1-equipped AMD cards will also be out of luck, or if these are compatible through HDMI VRR - because it isn't clear whether these TVs fully support HDMI VRR. It could go either way depending on how interested LG is in providing this service to existing users, given that their new 2020 models are advertised as working with GPUs from both vendors.

LG OLED TVs do not have a bespoke GSync implementation. These have HDMI 2.1 and its VRR which is a pretty standard thing (and not compatible with bespoke FS-over-HDMI). Although no cards have HDMI 2.1 ports, Nvidia added support for some HDMI 2.1 features - in this context namely VRR - to some of their cards with HDMI 2.0. Nothing really prevents AMD from doing the same. FS-over-HDMI will not be added but AMD can add VRR support in the same way Nvidia did. And it will probably be branded as Freesync something or another.

Not confirmed but I am willing to bet both next-gen GPUs will have HDMI 2.1 ports and VRR support.

 

[Chrispy_]

You are wrong on every angle with regards to your claim that Radeons achieve higher clocks. That is some very serious shifting of the reality to some imaginary "facts".

My claim? It's literally the official specs.

Sure, Geforce boost is more dynamic than AMD; There are plenty of videos from mainstream channels like Jayz/GN/HW Unboxed reviewing 5700XT AIB cards with 2GHz+ game clocks at stock though so the point you're trying to make falls apart even as you're pushing it. So what? Clockspeeds was only one of my points and if you're going to argue with official specs then your argument is with Nvidia, not me. You might want to take up all the AIB cards on their power consumption figures too, if you're in that sort of mood.

You've set up a straw man by introducing a 2080Ti for no reason to a 2070/5700XT discussion and I'm not buying it.

 

[londiste]

Clock speeds? TPU has reviews.

Reference RX 5700XT - average 1887MHz. Best cards average at around 2000MHz, ASUS Strix is the only one that averages above that at 2007MHz but couple others are very close.

Spoiler

ASUS Radeon RX 5700 XT STRIX OC Review

The ASUS Radeon RX 5700 XT STRIX OC is a huge improvement over the AMD reference design. It comes with an excellent cooler that reduces temperatures and noise levels at the same time, matching NVIDIA's offerings. Idle-fan-stop is included, too, and the factory overclock nets additional performance.

www.techpowerup.com

Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT Pulse Review

The Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT Pulse is equipped with a factory overclock and features a much better thermal solution than the AMD reference design. The card not only runs a lot quieter as temperatures are better than on any other RX 5700 XT we've tested so far, and idle fan stop is included, too.

www.techpowerup.com

MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT Evoke Review

The MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT Evoke is a completely new line of graphics cards by MSI. Visually, this factory-overclocked board pleases with a champagne-gold cooler and matching backplate. Temperatures of the triple-slot, dual-fan card are excellent, and idle fan stop is included, too.

www.techpowerup.com

PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT Red Devil Review

The PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 XT Red Devil is overclocked out of the box and uses a massive triple-slot, triple-fan cooler that delivers outstanding noise levels. It's actually the quietest Radeon card we ever tested, and quieter than all NVIDIA RTX cards except for one custom-design.

www.techpowerup.com

XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT Ultra THICC II Review

The XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT Ultra THICC II is one of the highest-clocked Navi custom designs out there. It is cooled by a large triple-slot, dual-fan thermal solution that runs quieter than the AMD reference card and includes idle fan stop. With $440, pricing isn't unreasonable, either.

www.techpowerup.com

MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT Gaming X Review

The factory-overclocked MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT Gaming X is a large triple-slot, dual-fan design with a completely new cooler that achieves the best temperatures of all Navi cards we've tested so far. Even at its low temperatures, the card runs very quietly, and idle-fan-stop is included, too.

www.techpowerup.com

Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT Nitro+ Review

Sapphire's Radeon RX 5700 XT Nitro+ is the company's flagship Navi card. It comes with a large triple-slot, triple-fan cooler that runs quiet and cool. Adjustable RGB lighting and fan-stop is included, too. A unique addition is the ability to control the dual BIOS switch through software.

www.techpowerup.com

ASRock Radeon RX 5700 XT Taichi OC+ Review

The ASRock RX 5700 XT Taichi OC+ is the fastest factory overclocked Navi card we've tested so far. We measured it to run almost 2 GHz real clock on average in our real-life, mixed gaming load. Temperatures are good, too, and the cooler includes idle-fan-stop.

www.techpowerup.com

XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra Review

The XFX RX 5700 XT THICC III Ultra is a brand new triple-fan design from the company, which runs higher clocks, too. XFX listened to criticism and improved the memory cooling plate, reducing temperatures and noise levels significantly, which makes the THICC III one of the quietest RX 5700 XT...

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Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT Nitro+ Special Edition Review

Sapphire's RX 5700 XT Nitro+ Special Edition is the fastest air-cooled Radeon RX 5700 XT on the market. It has what no other card has: overclocked memory. Noise levels and thermals of the adjustable RGB fans are impressive. Does it beat the PowerColor Red Devil?

www.techpowerup.com

ASUS Radeon RX 5700 XT TUF EVO Review - Improved Cooler, Tested

Our ASUS RX 5700 XT TUF EVO review takes a look at the new cooler design, which fixes the memory temperature problem of the original TUF without the "EVO". The card is very solid and runs quietly with excellent GPU temperatures and idle-fan stop.

www.techpowerup.com

RTX 2070 Founder's Edition - average 1862MHz. There are less reviews and average speeds seem to end up somewhere in 19xx MHz range. Best card is Zotac's AMP Extreme with average of 1987MHz.

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ZOTAC GeForce RTX 2070 AMP Extreme 8 GB Review

Zotac's GeForce RTX 2070 AMP Extreme is the highest-clocked RTX 2070 card out there, and its memory is overclocked, too. This results in 7% higher performance than the Founders Edition, which is finally a meaningful increase for an out-of-the-box overclock on GeForce 20.

www.techpowerup.com

EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 Black 8 GB Review

EVGA's GeForce RTX 2070 Black is sold for just $499, a price point at which it has better price/performance than the GTX 1080, GTX 1080 Ti, Vega 56, and Vega 64. Compared to the more expensive RTX 2070 Founders Edition, the performance difference is almost negligible, too.

www.techpowerup.com

MSI GeForce RTX 2070 Gaming Z 8 GB Review

The MSI GeForce RTX 2070 Gaming Z comes at NVIDIA Founders Edition pricing of $600, yet beats that card in every regard. The cooler is whisper-quiet during even heavy gaming sessions, and when not loaded, the fans turn off completely because of the idle-fan-stop feature.

www.techpowerup.com

ASUS GeForce RTX 2070 STRIX OC 8 GB Review

The ASUS GeForce RTX 2070 STRIX OC is a custom-design variant using a large triple-slot cooler that delivers excellent temperatures or very low noise levels because of the inclusion of a dual-BIOS feature, which offers a "quiet" mode. ASUS has also upgraded the power delivery capability of their...

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Palit GeForce RTX 2070 GameRock Premium 8 GB Review

Palit's GeForce RTX 2070 GameRock Premium is the company's highest-specced RTX 2070 variant. It comes overclocked out of the box to 1815 MHz boost and features a large triple-slot cooler that delivers excellent temperatures. With $600, pricing matches that of the NVIDIA Founders Edition.

www.techpowerup.com

Pretty even overall.
Performance and power consumption seem to be pretty much at the same level as well.

May be worth noting that non-super Turings are relatively modestly clocked to keep them in power-efficient range.

In terms of shader units and other resources, RX 5700XT is equal to RTX 2070 Super but the latter uses a bigger cut-down chip.
Similarly in terms of shaders and resources RX 5700 (non-XT) is really equal to RTX 2070 (non-Super) but this time RX 5700 uses a bigger (more shader units and stuff) cut-down chip.

 

[ARF]

I still think that the GeForces as a rule of thumb always achieve higher clocks.
This is my overall observation on the things and overall impressions.

See 2.16 GHz on the RTX 2070 FE.

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 Founders Edition Review: Mid-Range Turing, High-End Price

www.anandtech.com

 

[F-man4]

Unless you like to play at 4K.

Even 4K it’s useless. Only one or two games can consume 11GB+ VRAM. Most of the modern games are around 4-8GB according to TechPowerUp’s reviews.
Besides that, no AMD GPU can reach modern game’s 4K 60.
So the RDNA II’s large VRAM is a nonsense unless people who will buy it are creators.