OMG! Xigmatek HDT-S1283 vs AC Freezer 64 pro

[Random Murderer]

random, just chill man. im not gonna lock it, but seriously, it was just a request from a friend to a friend, just cut it out man, theres no need for this, and the points have been argued many times... who gives a crap as to who's right. people can see the evidence that both of you have provided and make up their mind.. dragging this on will only create a rift between you guys and cause this thread to get locked, when it could be used for better purposes then be food for the archives. come on man, neither of you are gonna win, and all of this is going to end up in a disaster, which i dont think anyone wants.

yea, immediately after i said that to you i felt bad. that was uncalled for. sorry, pancho.
but i still say trog is a wanker.

 

[Wile E]

as for me leaving the forum.. well perhaps its time.. i make too many enemies.. its hard not too.. the truth hurts sometimes..

The problem isn't that you tell the truth, because most of the time, you do not. The problem is that you state an opinion as fact, and do it like a total and complete asshole in the process. You use no civility whatsoever when you disagree with people around here. That's the reason you make "enemies". I use that term loosely, because I don't personally consider you an enemy, although we have gone a few rounds in the past. I don't want to see you leave, but I wish you would quit being a dick when you disagree with people.

 

[Random Murderer]

The problem isn't that you tell the truth, because most of the time, you do not. The problem is that you state an opinion as fact, and do it like a total and complete asshole in the process. You use no civility whatsoever when you disagree with people around here. That's the reason you make "enemies". I use that term loosely, because I don't personally consider you an enemy, although we have gone a few rounds in the past. I don't want to see you leave, but I wish you would quit being a dick when you disagree with people.

i don't view him as an enemy either. in fact, the only thread we haven't gotten along in is this one.

 

[trog100]

a wanker and a dick.. i dont mind.. as long as i can insult back.. but it seems i cant..

but this thread has got silly.. wile it seems is one of the odd hangers on waiting to leap into a thread that really is none of his business.. "dick".. i wont insult him back or state my oppinon of him.. but i would be entitled to..

however good a new cooler is it isnt 20 C better than last years number one.. it cant be.. so to claim that one is.. well.. lets politely call it an exaggeration..

no way have i called anybody liers.. to make a false claim.. whilst believing it to be true is not a lie.. its a mistake.. or an over enthusiastic product endorsement in this case..

it could still be (impolitely) called bulsh-t thow.. he he..

why do make enemies.. i know a fair bit.. i dislike the posting of erroneous or misleading information (bullsh-t) and i have a good line in arguement..

why does wile feel the need to call me a dick.. cos his line in arguement clever thow it is aint as good as mine.. he loses when he plays his favourite devils advocate.. too many people lose.. too many enemeis not enough friends..

the bullsh-ters out number the truthers.. its just the way it is..

i am here for two reason.. to pass time.. to help others with basic information.. my problem.. my mostly correct information is totally swamped by erroneous junk.. sometime i have to use "impact" words to make a point.. sometimes this offends.. hard shit..


trog

 

[Kursah]

*Long Post*

.. my mostly correct information is totally swamped by erroneous junk.. sometime i have to use "impact" words to make a point.. sometimes this offends.. hard shit..


trog

Opinion, maybe with experienced answers man...but the way you say things, you know you're trying to jab and get attention in the wrong fashion. And some of your answers, like this post, still focuses on something that's been cleared up. I feel you like to keep jabbing at something that's just enough to get attention...that's fine, as you can see, you've gotten plenty in just this thread alone. Maybe you should start a Trog's Cave 2008 Thread...hang out there and educate people with your experience, then if someone doesn't like it, they can leave.

Alright guys...I gotta lol a bit, because this is still going. I see reasons behind it, and just wish it would stop. Trog, stop instigating things...I know you like attention, but look at the wasted space in this thread because you had to insist that you are the only one that's right. Who cares, donate your two cents, and move along, it's not hard to do...just know in "your" mind that you are right and help in the next topic/thread...if all of us had to argue that in our experience with certain applications, hardware, devices, components we know what was actually going to happen for the OP, this thread would be 200+ pages long already, with less help than should be for a thread that's not located in the General Nonsense area.

I hope we can all move on from this and not clutter other threads in such a manner, I know it will happen, I know I will be guilty of posts like this again, but if we all try a little harder to swallow our pride, and just help the damn OP instead of bickering about who's right or more knowleged, this place would be better off IMO. Just my two cents, and that's about all it's worth, have a nice day.

 

[trog100]

kursa

had one for ten years..

http://www.cavecom.com/cave/

but thank u for your "oppinon".. u are entitled to express it.. and as i said earlier moving on would be good advice.. having to give equal credence to the opinions of children does get silly..

opinions without respect for the mouth that utters them are a waste of time..

the internet is a great leveler.. but opinions are just like aresoles.. everybody has one.. including ten years olds.. not a place for a sane adult.. a modern day tower of babel.. a million voices all saying nothing.. all crying to be heard.. he he he

sadly i love forums and at one time thought the the ability to pass information would be wonderfull.. but after tens years of participation.. i see a million voices all saying nothing.. just babble.. every piece of good information drowned out by ten pieces of bad information..

as time passes it gets worse.. i dont know just how many forum posts i have made over the years but its a lot.. more than any of u would believe.. its a habit i have to stop.. he he he

live long.. live well dudes..

trog

 

[Kursah]

I don't think you need to stop posting, I just think the way you type things out to others could use some modifying because it does seem like you type from what I have seen in forums over 10 years ago.

Just remember, if you're trying to fight because you think everyone but you is giving bad information, you might as well just push further to a flamewar in every thread you are active in on every forum out there, because there will be those who just spout something, but those with experience in that particular issue your situation will get their 2 cents in. It's up to the person looking for help to do proper research and listen to the proper suggestions.

Like this topic, I'm sure the Xig does a great job and it does beat other coolers in the price range, and some higher end coolers from years' past. Good and great, but I take that to a certain grain of salt because there is a difference between what my findings would be with my rig and it's past coolers and your rig and it's past coolers, same with anyone else here.

But because every piece of good information is drowned by 10 pieces in your opinion, doesn't mean you need to offend others to get your point out. That just makes you look worse and makes your information look less than good imo. Image is just as important as information anymore, if you want to look like a jackass, nobody's gonna believe what you post...no matter the experience or knowlege behind the topic. I know you have a lot of good knowlege, but you have a bad way of sharing it more often than not...I'd rather see you try to change your style to something that is less offensive to others and more helpful at the same time then leave. But it's your decision to make, and your choices that have gotten you here.

 

[trog100]

there a certain reality in what i say.. people that know me ask my advice and value my opinion.. i do not want to wast my time offering advice to those who do not value my opinion.. wise up dude..

u insult me without trying to.. my opinion aint about to be devalued by the likes of u.. thats a fact.. the thought thats its worth no more than the average guy or ten year old aint exactly good news my friend..

u miss the entire point.. misinformation destroys real information..

u are either very young or naive.. either way u aint qualified to pass judgment on me.. so dont do it..

jeesh.. what the f-ck next.. he he he

trog

 

[panchoman]

once again, why cant we just end this and live happily after ever?

 

[Random Murderer]

there a certain reality in what i say.. people that know me ask my advice and value my opinion.. i do not want to wast my time offering advice to those who do not value my opinion.. wise up dude..

u insult me without trying to.. my opinion aint about to be devalued by the likes of u.. thats a fact.. the thought thats its worth no more than the average guy aint exactly good news my friend..

u are either very young or naive.. either u aint qualified to pass judegment on me.. so dont do it..

jeesh.. what the f-ck next.. he he he

trog

trog, i'm not trying to slam you or make enemies here, as i previously stated. it's just come to the point that either you need to see the results yourself or stop calling bullshit. and btw, i never said "last year's best," i said "zalman 9500."

 

[Kursah]

*Recent Defense Post*

trog

Take what I say however you want, I mean no offense, but at the same time I hope to see you open your eyes a little more. But ignorance is bliss to those who care not of others or their opinions, right?

I think you're a valued member with a great amount of knowlege and you are willing to share it, those are good qualities which are helpful to the whole of TPU Forums. As-far-as what your opinoins or pass of judgement for me, I just hope it makes you feel better when you wake up in the morning, it'll make 0 difference in my TPU experience. I enjoy helping others, and usually don't get as involved in piddly wastes of thread space like this situation unless I feel there's good people involved, which everyone involved here are awesome people that I hope can move on from this and get along and look forward to helping those in need. BTW I dig the Cave!



Back to ON TOPIC stuff, my buddy just ordered a Xig 1298 to replace his Zalman 9500...so I'll get to see up front and personal how much of a difference is made. I'm much looking forward to this cooler swap, and will post results hopefully in the next week or so..depends on when the cooler shows up, and how available he is.

I replaced my G/F's Zalman 7700ALCu with the AC Freezer 7 Pro, and there was a pretty good difference of almost 8C idle and 10C load, I couldn't believe my eyes. But that just goes to show how effective that heatpipe solution is in comparison to an older designes...though I still like the old Zalman design, it's a shame their new take on it (what is it the 8700?) performed so horribly. It should also be noted that I did upgrade the case fans too, which would also help the temp differences between coolers, by how much...at this point it's not worth tearing down to verify, but overall temps between old fans/cooler and new fans/cooler is enough to justify the replacement in my mind.

I will keep you guys posted when the 9500 get's replaced...he's already making some logs for idle/load temps and such, and it is an overclocked C2D rig. So far, I definately recommend the Xigmatek cooler, it performs very well, and if it can be found for under $30 US, then it's a helluva deal that is well worth a serious consideration since it can take on competitors that can cost up to almost twice as much.

Just a side note, case airflow and ambient temps can also have a huge impact on temps...if you want completely silent with air-cooling, you should expect less effective cooling in comparison to someone who can stand some fan/airflow noise, how much of a difference should only be looked at as a system-per-system basis. But the difference can be enough to entice a higher OC, or even just a more stable OC depending on how hot you let your components get.

 

[theonetruewill]

I'm a bit skeptical of this 20*C drop at load.... I read TPU's review and othersand I may have to try it myself as I can't see this infamous 20*C drop against 'last years best'. Partly because the Cooler Master TX2 is not last years best. Not going to say anymore - but I agree with trog being skeptical about it. Simple answer is to try it out for myself. Don't blame someone for saying 20*C is an exaggeration as none of you have actually got that 20*C drop against 'last years best'. If you say 20*C, it better be 20*C against 'last years best'.

 

[PaulieG]

Guys, bring it down a notch, ok?

 

[anticlutch]

Hm.. seems like a heated debate even if I didn't read all of the posts in here. But anyways, to the OP: have you considered lapping the AC64 Pro before buying a new heatsink? From personal experience, AC64 Pro heatsinks aren't exactly the cream of the crop in terms of flatness and smoothness... when I built my 2 of my friends' and my dad's computer (all with the AC64 Pro cooler) not one of them had what I would consider a "nice" base... my dad's heatsink and one of my friend's heatsink had noticable machining marks as well as a slightly concave surface, while my other friend's heatsink had what I would call severe machining marks out of the box (i.e. when I ran my fingernail over the base it would feel similar to a file). Obviously it's too late for you since you've already bought the Xigmatech cooler (which is awesome from what I can gather ), but when you have some free time I'd suggest lapping the AC64 heatsink and giving it a go on your current rig. 50+C load at stock speeds is ridiculous IMO...

 

[Kursah]

Hm.. seems like a heated debate even if I didn't read all of the posts in here. But anyways, to the OP: have you considered lapping the AC64 Pro before buying a new heatsink? From personal experience, AC64 Pro heatsinks aren't exactly the cream of the crop in terms of flatness and smoothness... when I built my 2 of my friends' and my dad's computer (all with the AC64 Pro cooler) not one of them had what I would consider a "nice" base... my dad's heatsink and one of my friend's heatsink had noticable machining marks as well as a slightly concave surface, while my other friend's heatsink had what I would call severe machining marks out of the box (i.e. when I ran my fingernail over the base it would feel similar to a file). Obviously it's too late for you since you've already bought the Xigmatech cooler (which is awesome from what I can gather ), but when you have some free time I'd suggest lapping the AC64 heatsink and giving it a go on your current rig. 50+C load at stock speeds is ridiculous IMO...

That's a great thought actually man...the base of the Freezer 7 is very similar to the 64...feels like a file, and I know they have the ability to shave at least another couple degrees with a good lap job. I've never lapped any of my coolers or CPU's, but I've seen results when one of my friends do.

It can be very worth the few dollars worth of supplies to lap an HSF to get better results, in the end it comes down to user's wants and needs...plus it wouldn't hurt to in-turn lap the CPU also...I've considered lapping my 6300 since I'm about peak for sub 1.35vcore OC...and we all know temps increase more with increased voltage on an overclock.

I agree with clutch that you should totally give a lap job to the AC64 and see what results you get with it before you install the Xig. Lapping the Xig on the other hand, while it could be a tad tricky and you'd have to clean the partricles that end up in the gaps between the pipes and base, could in-turn provide even better results. I may just have to go get some wet-sanding kits and a plate of glass and give it a go myself!

 

[Widjaja]

Indeed 20deg drop is unbelieveable.

My Tuniq Tower dropped my X2 4800+ 8-10degC, somewhere along those lines anyway.
Adding a 120mm intake the the three empty drive bays also dropped it another 2-3 degrees.
With the X2 4800+ at stock voltage my processor is 1-2 degrees under ambient room temp at idle with my current setup.

I think once the OP gets it install he has to show screenshots of the temps.

Some of us need evedience.

 

[trog100]

Indeed 20deg drop is unbelieveable.

My Tuniq Tower dropped my X2 4800+ 8-10degC, somewhere along those lines anyway.
Adding a 120mm intake the the three empty drive bays also dropped it another 2-3 degrees.
With the X2 4800+ at stock voltage my processor is 1-2 degrees under ambient room temp at idle with my current setup.

I think once the OP gets it install he has to show screenshots of the temps.

Some of us need evedience.

just bear in mind room ambient is the bottom line..

if u blow room ambient air say at 20 C at anything.. it cant go lower then 20 C.. if it appears to as it often does.. the temp read outs are wrong..

forgive my minor correction but it is relevant..

the disputed 20 C drop is down to other factors not simply the new wonder cooler but people should be sceptical when extraordinary claims are made.. if they aint its a sad sign..

for the record i believe all claims made are made in good faith.. mistakes not lies.. even fanboys think they are stating the truth.. we all know they aint thow..

trog

 

[Kursah]

That's dead on the money trog...and a lot of people overlook that stuff when looking for the next best cooler. There are a lot of variables that can make a large change in temp performance, and as you said, if you're getting less than ambient temps on your readout...odds are it's wrong...you cannot go cooler than ambient with air cooling.

From my findings I have found the Xig 1298 to be a good cooler that does a great job for a budget, but I also am using my antec 900, I have the cooler facing towards the 200mm exhaust vertical fan, I'm next to a window that I leave cracked allowing 20-40F air inside, I keep the heater at 65F (until my G/F turns it up, DOH!). I also have C1E, EIST ON as it's stable, so my idle temps are 3.0 @ 1.21v...which explains the 30C+ difference between idle and load temps, there are a lot of factors that people overlook or fail to mention with situations like this. And results WILL vary from build to build, which is also part of the fun of building rigs and using different components in each build imo.

My curiosity with air coolers are the ones that are using carbon rods and water that I have seen pics of...whether or not those will be worth it has me curious, but so does the price tag. I don't believe in spending top dollar on anything really...look at my rig in sys specs. That doesn't mean I had to give up any huge performance or cooling abilities, but wait for sales, or next gen stuff to be released so I could snag a better deal on "older" stuff. I would rather get the best "bang for the buck" than have the next-best thing this week, I'm sure most of you know what I mean.

 

[Widjaja]

just bear in mind room ambient is the bottom line..

if u blow room ambient air say at 20 C at anything.. it cant go lower then 20 C.. if it appears to as it often does.. the temp read outs are wrong..

trog

Then your'e saying the coretemp program most people use to overclock reads wrong?

I'm was pretty sure something wasn't right when I would enable Cool n Quiet I would get sub ambient temperatures at idle.
Something like 8-9 degrees cooler.

But then my temp read out from BIOS says 34degC idle at 25degC ambient room temperature.

 

[Nick89]

Geeeze I goto work and come back to find that you guys are having a fit about temps and are in the process of getting my thread locked...

knock it the F off. I make a good thread and you guys flame EACH OTHER in it...


ANYWAY with my proc OCed to 2.62GHz with 1.4v its idling at 38C in my hot house with all my case fans on low. it gets to about 50C load somtimes if my room is hot.

OK I'll post screenies

 

[poohball]

Man theres so many people talking about how amazing this cooler is now and yet its still not avaliable in canada.... i can't justify spending $65 on the ultra 120 when the xigmatek appears to be better and cheaper

I checked there website for where to buy, and this company "http://www.powernode.com/" showed up for Canada. Not sure if they are retailer though =P

 

[poohball]

Geeeze I goto work and come back to find that you guys are having a fit about temps and are in the process of getting my thread locked...

knock it the F off. I make a good thread and you guys flame EACH OTHER in it...


ANYWAY with my proc OCed to 2.62GHz with 1.4v its idling at 38C in my hot house with all my case fans on low. it gets to about 50C load somtimes if my room is hot.

OK I'll post screenies

Yes, good thread , don't screw it up =)

SD-964, Any thoughts on this model? I saw that on their website, 4 heatpipe but 92mm fan.

 

[VroomBang]

The Xigmatek HDTS1283 beats the AC PRO hands down. I've tried both and cpu is 15-20C cooler under Xigmatek, compared to AC, and 25-30C less compared to stock intel cooler.

Xigmatek is easier to install, especially thanks to harder pins whereas the AC's bend and break. I had to RMA the AC. Xigmatek has direct touch heatpipe, much more efficient system. It's a small difference in price and yet the Xig belongs to another league.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

The Xigmatek HDTS1283 beats the AC PRO hands down. I've tried both and cpu is 15-20C cooler under Xigmatek, compared to AC, and 25-30C less compared to stock intel cooler.

Xigmatek is easier to install, especially thanks to harder pins whereas the AC's bend and break. I had to RMA the AC. Xigmatek has direct touch heatpipe, much more efficient system. It's a small difference in price and yet the Xig belongs to another league.

AC freezer 7 pro is much easier to install!!!

Xigmatek in a mid tower is F#<^!ng rediculous!

 

[VroomBang]

AC freezer 7 pro is much easier to install!!!

Xigmatek in a mid tower is F#<^!ng rediculous!

Xigmatek takes 10 min. Yes, it's quite high, but not a problem for me.

Honestly, I spend almost an hour trying to insert the AC pins on my mobo, as they wouldn't fit properly. Also, the plastic tips were too wide (wider than intel stock cooler) and too soft for the job. Two pins broke on me. With a bit of DIY, I managed to secure the cooler for a while, but not worth risking overheating the cpu if the cooler gest lose, so RMA and replacement straight to ebay.