Would a aftermarket cooler keep your room cooler or not? *poll*

[DRDNA]

and then not run the exhaust hose outside, because denial over powers science

now there is the real question......would the room heat up or cool down or would it stay the same....lol...an insider told me the chicken indeed came before the egg.

 

[Vulcansheart]

if you're gunna do graphs, do it empirically with data results and proper plot graphing.

Because somebody would argue it was skewed, or flawed methods, or the font was too small, or the moon was waxing.

 

[R-T-B]

had one in an office and never had it vented outside, it ran just fine lol then again the exhaust was where the cooling came from lol

You obviously have no idea how an air conditioner works. It's not an energy black hole. It has a hot air exhaust somewhere to produce cool air. What you had was most likely some type of fan or a massively flawed perception.

now there is the real question......would the room heat up or cool down or would it stay the same....lol...an insider told me the chicken indeed came before the egg.

It would obviously heat up.

Because somebody would argue it was skewed, or flawed methods, or the font was too small, or the moon was waxing.

No, science isn't really that much voodoo. That said, you make a point with your charts, but we are considering the whole room average from the way we look at it, not just the "room minus case." This may be the core of several misunderstandings here.

 

[Solaris17]

I was expecting some too not understand or know. I am really shocked at how many rebuttal the science however. This seriously is not straight up wand waving spell casting magic.

 

[R-T-B]

I was expecting some too not understand or know. I am really shocked at how many rebuttal the science however. This seriously is not straight up wand waving spell casting magic.

The scary thing I've seen with the ignorant lately is not that they do not know, but that they get aggressive and fight back with more disinformation when you try to correct them. It's been building on itself in a bad way for a long time. Heck, I'd argue it even elected a certain few politcal figures in recent times... maybe one very recent one in particular...

If you asked me what I'm most scared of right now in the world, I'd probably have to reply "antiscience" or something to that extent.

 

[thesmokingman]

Science!

 

[MrGenius]

..."antiscience" or something to that extent.

There's that. Or just as bad..."pseudoscience". It's pretty easy...apparently...to "dress" ideas that aren't so scientific in "scientific clothing" and call them "science". A lot of folks don't care to judge them beyond "the book's cover". Like a misleading graph that supposedly shows you proof of something, basically just because it's shown in a graph. And by God if it's shown in a graph it must be true right?

 

[Assimilator]

The scary thing I've seen with the ignorant lately is not that they do not know, but that they get aggressive and fight back with more disinformation when you try to correct them. It's been building on itself in a bad way for a long time. Heck, I'd argue it even elected a certain few politcal figures in recent times... maybe one very recent one in particular...

If you asked me what I'm most scared of right now in the world, I'd probably have to reply "antiscience" or something to that extent.

The Dunning-Kruger effect is terrifying.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Is name calling really necessary in this discussion? Has the thought crossed your mind that you've overlooked a CRUCIAL piece of this equation? I'll give you a hint: the room temperature is raising at a varying rate. It doesn't instantaneously warm up the moment the PC is powered on. The rate that the room warms is directly effected by the efficiency of the CPU cooler.

I've made a pretty little chart so you can all follow along.

Who the eff cares what the final room temperature is going to be? It could take 24, 48 or 1000 hours to reach it's maximum temperature. What I am arguing, and have been arguing since my first reply, is that at ANY given time interval between 0 and X hours, the room will be warmer with the aftermarket cooler. Yes, the final temps will be the same, but again, who the eff cares about the final room temp if you've been sitting in a hot room for the past 4 days?? This chart satisfies the holy need for energy conservation, which I don't know why keeps coming up in the first place, since energy is CONSTANTLY being introduced into the system via the AC current pumping into the PC, but let's just ignore that for argument's sake.

Now, what part of the below chart do you disagree with?

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Your chart says nothing only that the room heats up and gets to the same temperature, an after market cooler can help keep your CPU cooler than stock but it's not some voodoo contraption that can magically get rid of hot air out of a room.....

 

[silkstone]

Is name calling really necessary in this discussion? Has the thought crossed your mind that you've overlooked a CRUCIAL piece of this equation? I'll give you a hint: the room temperature is raising at a varying rate. It doesn't instantaneously warm up the moment the PC is powered on. The rate that the room warms is directly effected by the efficiency of the CPU cooler.

I've made a pretty little chart so you can all follow along.

Who the eff cares what the final room temperature is going to be? It could take 24, 48 or 1000 hours to reach it's maximum temperature. What I am arguing, and have been arguing since my first reply, is that at ANY given time interval between 0 and X hours, the room will be warmer with the aftermarket cooler. Yes, the final temps will be the same, but again, who the eff cares about the final room temp if you've been sitting in a hot room for the past 4 days?? This chart satisfies the holy need for energy conservation, which I don't know why keeps coming up in the first place, since energy is CONSTANTLY being introduced into the system via the AC current pumping into the PC, but let's just ignore that for argument's sake.

Now, what part of the below chart do you disagree with?

View attachment 84020

Power is measured in Joules per Second. That is units of heat emitted every second.
If 90 J of energy is being put out from PC, the size of the heat sink won't matter in the slightest.

A lot physics behind the heatsink is just thermal conductance.

 

[dorsetknob]

.lol...an insider told me the chicken indeed came before the egg.

the old Question well as any country person will tell you
The Cockerel Came first ( how else do eggs get turned into chickens )

 

[P4-630]

My old socket 775 rig was producing much more heat than my new skylake system at the back exhaust.
With my skylake system the exhaust air is more cool then warm, even during gaming because the hardware temps stay really low.

 

[R-T-B]

the old Question well as any country person will tell you
The Cockerel Came first ( how else do eggs get turned into chickens )

I bet you've been waiting here 12 years just for the chance to post that.

My old socket 775 rig was producing much more heat than my new skylake system at the back exhaust.
With my skylake system the exhaust air is more cool then warm, even during gaming because the hardware temps stay really low.

I'm willing to bet your Socket 775 had a much higher overall system TDP. Thank shrinking processes, not heatsinks.

 

[P4-630]

I'm willing to bet your Socket 775 had a much higher overall system TDP.

Ok true.
Recent hardware is able to run cooler than hardware from a decade ago.

 

[Mussels]

my skylake LAN build games at 1080p 60hz at 120W on average, vs the 220-250W of my 4K setup.

On stock cooling, the skylake system mysteriously heats my room less... but its not nothing to do with the heatsinks used.

 

[P4-630]

A larger air cooler will keep the CPU at lower temperatures during load and is in result exhausting less heat compared to a small air cooler which raises the CPU temp during load, which means higher exhaust air temp.

 

[silkstone]

A larger air cooler will keep the CPU at lower temperatures during load and is in result exhausting less heat compared to a small air cooler which raises the CPU temp during load, which means higher exhaust air temp.

Yes: A larger air cooler will keep the CPU at lower temperatures during load
No: result exhausting less heat compared to a small air cooler

 

[P4-630]

Yes: A larger air cooler will keep the CPU at lower temperatures during load
No: result exhausting less heat compared to a small air cooler

Try it, and measure the exhaust heat!!!
With the smaller cooler the CPU produces more heat.

People that OC their CPU with an air cooler want a large air cooler to keep the temps as low as possible.

 

[Mussels]

Try it, and measure the exhaust heat!!!
With the smaller cooler the CPU produces more heat.

no, it does not. the heat is simply concentrated. dont confuse celcius/fahrenheit (how hot it feels) with how much heat was produced (BTU's/Joules)

If i light a candle and put a frying pan over the candle - did i just suddenly reduce the total heat by spreading it out? no, i SPREAD IT OUT.

 

[P4-630]

no, it does not. the heat is simply concentrated. dont confuse celcius/fahrenheit (how hot it feels) with how much heat was produced (BTU's/Joules)

If i light a candle and put a frying pan over the candle - did i just suddenly reduce the total heat by spreading it out? no, i SPREAD IT OUT.

We are talking about CPU's and CPU coolers lol!
Anyways I'm one of the few that do not agree with you.

My room will heat up faster with a cheap small cooler.

 

[EarthDog]

I am disappointed in humanity at this point. This is high school science stuff people...

 

[Vulcansheart]

Well, unless any thermodynamic engineers step forward to settle this, I think it's going to be idiots vs dumbasses for the life of this thread.

 

[silkstone]

We are talking about CPU's and CPU coolers lol!
Anyways I'm one of the few that do not agree with you.

My room will heat up faster with a cheap small cooler.

It's not about agreement or disagreement. It's about Physics which obeys well established laws.

If a cpu is using 150 W of power, it is giving all of that out as heat. It doesn't matter what side the heat sink is, it's still giving it out as heat.

Now if you had a ginormously big heatsink, with an extremely high specific heat capacity, then said heat sink would be able to hold more heat due to a high thermal capacity. That would delay the heating of the room.
However, we are talking about small pieces of metal so it makes negligible difference to the heat pumped into the room.

Well, unless any thermodynamic engineers step forward to settle this, I think it's going to be idiots vs dumbasses for the life of this thread.

I'm a high school Physics teacher, does that count for anything?

 

[Mussels]

We are talking about CPU's and CPU coolers lol!
Anyways I'm one of the few that do not agree with you.

My room will heat up faster with a cheap small cooler.

seriously... its 100% the same. if the heat output is constant, it doesnt matter what you cool it with - all you're doing is spreading it out over a greater volume of air (either by a bigger surface area or by greater airflow)

 

[EarthDog]

Well, unless any thermodynamic engineers step forward to settle this, I think it's going to be idiots vs dumbasses for the life of this thread.

again, high school level science here bud.