Why i'm boycotting corsair (iCue 4.x)

[WhitetailAni]

I wonder if they will:
A. Allow 3.x and 4.x to coexist
B. Stop forcing 4.x on users
C. Allow 4.x to support older devices
Given that there's a LOT of angry people right now.

I doubt they will, but they might.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Your cases history with Phanteks is interesting. I don't know if I can go downgrade to other cases, even from Phanteks, from Evolv ATX TG. The build quality is astounding.
My only complain was the restrictive front panel, it creates negative air pressure with default fan config. But I managed to solve it with less than $5 simple modification. P500A is also a nice case though. Next time I change case, I'd like to give Fractal Design a try, I love their Define 7.

It was hard selling my Evolv mATX, for sure, especially since I had bought custom top and front panels for it (to help the airflow problem you mentioned with the Evolv) that not only helped with airflow, but made the case pop aesthetically as well. My only complaint with the mATX Evolv was the placement of the thumbscrews that secure the expansion slot brackets -- mounting my GPU was way harder than it needed to be, but I suppose it really is a minor gripe.

I'll be honest, when I was recently shopping for cases, I REALLY wanted to snag the Evolv X in galaxy silver but...$200 USD is a lot to swallow, and I feel like that case was made to showcase custom loops and high-end hardware, not the meager rig I have So I think the P500A was the next logical choice. Also, I've not had any problems with the cable covers on it like some have had. I loved the look of the light bar on the PSU shroud (my P360X had one as well) but I didn't want the DRGB fans because I'd read that they were only 3-pin rather than 4-pin, even though Phanteks sells 4-pin DRGB fans separately. You'd figure that for what the DRGB version of the case costs, the fans would be PWM out of the box.

I wonder if they will:
A. Allow 3.x and 4.x to coexist
B. Stop forcing 4.x on users
C. Allow 4.x to support older devices
Given that there's a LOT of angry people right now.

I doubt they will, but they might.

I doubt any of those will happen, honestly. It's similar to what Asus is doing with Armoury Crate vs. Aura. They're killing updates for the standalone Aura program and forcing people to adopt Armoury Crate if they want updated support for Aura.

 

[Mussels]

It was hard selling my Evolv mATX, for sure, especially since I had bought custom top and front panels for it (to help the airflow problem you mentioned with the Evolv) that not only helped with airflow, but made the case pop aesthetically as well. My only complaint with the mATX Evolv was the placement of the thumbscrews that secure the expansion slot brackets -- mounting my GPU was way harder than it needed to be, but I suppose it really is a minor gripe.

I'll be honest, when I was recently shopping for cases, I REALLY wanted to snag the Evolv X in galaxy silver but...$200 USD is a lot to swallow, and I feel like that case was made to showcase custom loops and high-end hardware, not the meager rig I have So I think the P500A was the next logical choice. Also, I've not had any problems with the cable covers on it like some have had. I loved the look of the light bar on the PSU shroud (my P360X had one as well) but I didn't want the DRGB fans because I'd read that they were only 3-pin rather than 4-pin, even though Phanteks sells 4-pin DRGB fans separately. You'd figure that for what the DRGB version of the case costs, the fans would be PWM out of the box.



I doubt any of those will happen, honestly. It's similar to what Asus is doing with Armoury Crate vs. Aura. They're killing updates for the standalone Aura program and forcing people to adopt Armoury Crate if they want updated support for Aura.

yeah and AC is so bad i'm never going asus again either... holy shite that thing is a bloated mess

 

[Space Lynx]

yeah and AC is so bad i'm never going asus again either... holy shite that thing is a bloated mess

I can't relate to any of these experiences. I never install software from the companies for mobo, cooler, lighting, etc. I don't even use software for my Razer Naga, since I only use the side buttons anyway, no need to program them. It's not that I don't find it interesting, I actually just forget LOL looks like that was a good thing after all

edit: I just do clean install of win 10, install chipset, reboot, install graphics, reboot. and that;s about it. away I go lol

 

[Mussels]

I can't relate to any of these experiences. I never install software from the companies for mobo, cooler, lighting, etc. I don't even use software for my Razer Naga, since I only use the side buttons anyway, no need to program them. It's not that I don't find it interesting, I actually just forget LOL looks like that was a good thing after all

edit: I just do clean install of win 10, install chipset, reboot, install graphics, reboot. and that;s about it. away I go lol

AC installs a whole heap of third party software automatically, most for other brands RGB (multiple brands RGB software for RAM, SSDs and so on) - for NO GODDAMN REASON.

 

[tabascosauz]

AC installs a whole heap of third party software automatically, most for other brands RGB (multiple brands RGB software for RAM, SSDs and so on) - for NO GODDAMN REASON.

Doesn't Armoury Crate have an option to be disabled in BIOS? I think I noticed it the first time I booted and set all my timings and fan curves and whatnot, and turned it off. No software automatically installed on my system.

I mean, yes, it's stupid and I don't expect anyone to find it off the bat if they don't have a routine with tinkering a whole bunch of settings, but...

 

[Space Lynx]

Doesn't Armoury Crate have an option to be disabled in BIOS? I think I noticed it the first time I booted and set all my timings and fan curves and whatnot, and turned it off. No software automatically installed on my system.

I mean, yes, it's stupid and I don't expect anyone to find it off the bat if they don't have a routine with tinkering a whole bunch of settings, but...

omg I forgot Asus did this at the BIOS level... yuck... I'm really glad other companies are not doing this yet... at least I don't think my MSI X570 Tomahawk installed anything... doesn't look like it in the programs section... heh

 

[Mussels]

Doesn't Armoury Crate have an option to be disabled in BIOS? I think I noticed it the first time I booted and set all my timings and fan curves and whatnot, and turned it off. No software automatically installed on my system.

I mean, yes, it's stupid and I don't expect anyone to find it off the bat if they don't have a routine with tinkering a whole bunch of settings, but...

thats an even worse thing, where the BIOS makes clean windows installs *DOWNLOAD* armoury crate without asking the user, and the BIOS setting is how to stop that happening

 

[WhitetailAni]

yeah and AC is so bad i'm never going asus again either... holy shite that thing is a bloated mess

I'm very confused as to all the hate this software gets.
Right now, running a custom RGB profile, it's using 0.1% CPU and 100MB of RAM. I'm only using the integrated RGB on my motherboard and 3 120mm Phanteks Halos running off of one 12v RGB header.
Yes, it does install a bunch of stuff for other vendors, but those aren't doing anything. Kingston's DRAM process is 0% CPU 1.4MB RAM. The main two processes (ARMOURY CRATE Service and ARMOURY CRATE User Session) are using 0% CPU and 31MB RAM between them. Heck, I've got F@H running on 2 GPUs and BOINC running on 8 threads right now and there's no slowdowns, lag, etc.
Is there something that I'm missing?

 

[Mussels]

I'm very confused as to all the hate this software gets.
Right now, running a custom RGB profile, it's using 0.1% CPU and 100MB of RAM. I'm only using the integrated RGB on my motherboard and 3 120mm Phanteks Halos running off of one 12v RGB header.
Yes, it does install a bunch of stuff for other vendors, but those aren't doing anything. Kingston's DRAM process is 0% CPU 1.4MB RAM. The main two processes (ARMOURY CRATE Service and ARMOURY CRATE User Session) are using 0% CPU and 31MB RAM between them. Heck, I've got F@H running on 2 GPUs and BOINC running on 8 threads right now and there's no slowdowns, lag, etc.
Is there something that I'm missing?

you're missing that it loves to break, and almost nothing short of an OS wipe gets rid of it all. Even Asus released uninstall and cleanup tools, i've had 3 OS installs get jammed up with it this year alone - two conflicted with iCue and required iCue and AC to be reinstalled, except that AC would break halfway through uninstalling and be forever in limbo, where it would neither fully remove, nor reinstall. The Manual solution involved safe mode, registry edits, altering permissions for files to manually delete them, and then removing every single random extra software it had installed before it would install again.
And then of course, it still never integrated with iCue, like corsair advertised it would - both softwares conflicted constantly, with corsair saying to use asus aura, and Asus saying to use armoury crate.

You've just got lucky with no conflicts, basically.

 

[WhitetailAni]

you're missing that it loves to break, and almost nothing short of an OS wipe gets rid of it all. Even Asus released uninstall and cleanup tools, i've had 3 OS installs get jammed up with it this year alone - two conflicted with iCue and required iCue and AC to be reinstalled, except that AC would break halfway through uninstalling and be forever in limbo, where it would neither fully remove, nor reinstall. The Manual solution involved safe mode, registry edits, altering permissions for files to manually delete them, and then removing every single random extra software it had installed before it would install again.
And then of course, it still never integrated with iCue, like corsair advertised it would - both softwares conflicted constantly, with corsair saying to use asus aura, and Asus saying to use armoury crate.

You've just got lucky with no conflicts, basically.

Guess I am lucky - the software has given me no problems and the only time it did was when I tried to run Aura and Armoury Crate at the same time (which was dumb).
I've also never had to uninstall it (it gets removed due to a Windows reinstall, I've had 4 reinstalls in 6 months, all times because I was stupid - first time I decided to play "hot-swap the GPU between Maxwell, Kepler, and Tesla", second time was "let's install WordPerfect 2000 7 times without restarting", third time was "let's install Iomega's Zip tools" (that one just straight off killed Windows, no attempting to boot, just straight recovery mode), fourth time was "let's try Hackintoshing with MBR Windows and GPT macOS, and then boot Windows with OpenCore!" (Windows was on an MBR volume because my dad upgraded from Windows 7, and I never bothered switching until that happened - now it does not matter which bootloader I choose to boot Windows with).

So yeah. Windows has had a fun ride.
And Armoury Crate has been great for me. I wish I knew what was making it suck for others.

 

[Splinterdog]

I only use static RGB and after I updated to iCUE v4, the H100i Platinum wouldn't keep its lighting setting when minimised to system tray, so I uninstalled it and reinstalled v3.38.61.
The Strafe RGB, M65 Pro and H100i Platinum work fine now with static RGB and I certainly didn't like the dumbed-down interface of v4.00.
If it ain't broke...

 

[Mussels]

This ones gold


"Why does icue 4 think my keyboard looks NOTHING like what it really does?"
'Oh because multi region or something?' (rep genuinely did seem confused by this one too)

 

[MentalAcetylide]

This ones gold


"Why does icue 4 think my keyboard looks NOTHING like what it really does?"
'Oh because multi region or something?' (rep genuinely did seem confused by this one too)

icue 4? Which keyboard do you have?
I'm looking on their website and they still have CORSAIR iCUE v3.38.61 for downloading for the K95 RGB PLATINUM XT Mechanical Gaming Keyboard, which is the one I'm getting.

 

[Mussels]

oh and they removed their OSD (no plans to bring it back) so people who switch profiles have no idea which profile they're on, nor can they get low battery alerts

 

[FireFox]

I still don't understand why not to.use the old version of iCUE it's still working.

 

[Mussels]

I still don't understand why not to.use the old version of iCUE it's still working.

cause its got some serious bugs

1. CPU usage at idle breaks most systems power saving, prevents cores sleeping so others cant turbo (occurs on AMD and intel, you dont get affected with an all core OC)
2. their new hardware forces you to use 4.x

 

[FireFox]

cause its got some serious bugs

1. CPU usage at idle breaks most systems power saving, prevents cores sleeping so others cant turbo (occurs on AMD and intel, you dont get affected with an all core OC)
2. their new hardware forces you to use 4.x

I need to check again because i haven't noticed any of those issues so far.

 

[Mussels]

I mean just bumming here on TPU i tested, watching my CPU wattage in HWinfo

Icue closed: 37W
Icue minimised: 43W
Icue open: 44.5W

closing the services makes it idle even better, but i cant do that since this build relies on a corsair commander pro for the fan controller

 

[Arcdar]

I still don't understand why not to.use the old version of iCUE it's still working.

The main issue is for newer hardware you NEED the version 4 .... while it's not supporting "older" hardware which requires version 3 to still run - but you can't use both at the same time.

So you either lose functionalities on one or the other side (the old or the new) where it doesn't make sense at all ..... I get that "old chipsets" of mainboards stop being supported by newer software (see asus AI-Suite .... even though its not a good example *lol* ) but stuff like fan-control? RGB-Control?

It's not like they completely changed how fans and RGB is controlled. Or that it would be a big hussle to still allow the H115i to control the fans - or the "massive amount of rgb" on the pump/cooler-combo. Most people would be fine if they disabled the RBG for stuff like this as long as they at least would allow you to control your fans/pump speeds. And those sensors are not different to the H115i Platinum or any of the newer AIOs in such a major way that it would be impossible to show them and allow you to set a fan curve.

And breaking a system like this while those AIO's are still sold as "new" with no EOL information is just wrong. Especially in a case where support would be so easily implemented ((even "unknown AIO" or "generic AIO" with basic fan and pump-settings would be fine. I don't need to see a picture of it. Or have a lot of options. Just a fancurve and a pump-speed. thanks)).

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So I rebuilt my pc due to genuine hardware issues(GPU block blockage)
Thought for four days the build had an issue.
Every time I ran it flat out ,CPU and GPU it crashed eventually, straight to bsd, nothing of note in the logs.
Shut down icue , problems gone.

Wtaffff Corsair, without doubt you get no more coins from me until you sort your SHIT out.

Right now I'd kick Corsair in the face, lawsuits be damned, but it's not possible.

@Mussels I'm looking at hwinfo64 while ICue is not running, my Corsair commander runs one whole 360 rad set to ramp only with the GPU, my mobo runs a rad for the CPU.
Anyway I am seeing the fan speeds Barry(vary wtaf phone) as I would expect.

You might want to have a look despite shutting Icue Corsair still has some services running in the background.

 

[FireFox]

I installed the version 4 a week ago because i wanted test it, disgusting, it is so damn uglya few minutes later uninstalled it.

 

[Makaveli]

I'm on this version and its been fine for me.

however my corsair products aren't that old.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I'm on this version and its been fine for me.

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Well you are using completely different hardware and older software so I would suggest you either live happily as you are, or try putting a commander in their and join me in pondering the how(to kick Corsair in the face).

@FireFox it is fugly.

 

[Makaveli]

Well you are using completely different hardware and older software so I would suggest you either live happily as you are, or try putting a commander in their and join me in pondering the how(to kick Corsair in the face).

@FireFox it is fugly.

lol no thanks for the commander i'll stick to what I got