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That's the thing , this situation is occurring in a time when the manufacturing of these devices is still driven by the "old rules".

Your saying AMD/Nvidia managed to adapt in no time and make huge gains in profitability in an industry where deals are made years before production even begins. Although they are certainly not losing cash , they are not in a perfect situation from which they can profit at full capacity either.
I never said huge gains in any post. I said they gained additional funds by selling lesser cards for a profit.

Number of cards sold is up quite a bit however. Which is very interesting considering it was down q1 of this year. The only reports really showing this are AMD's q2 results.
 

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EDIT: like your power company surcharge idea, it would be justifiable for companies to charge you a secondary business rate for electricity usage. After all, if you are consuming 5 households worth of energy and that trend increased, we'd be more prone to blackouts in vulnerable times. People need to release fast that energy isn't infinte.
Energy Company is more lightly to report you to police (For A Pre Dawn Vist with the Sledge Hammer front door key ) as you would then be a suspect for Cannabis Farming/Home Growing
Now Would that be" POT hole mining":roll:o_O:laugh:
 
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Energy Company is more lightly to report you to police (For A Pre Dawn Vist with the Sledge Hammer front door key ) as you would then be a suspect for Cannabis Farming/Home Growing
Now Would that be" POT hole mining":roll:o_O:laugh:
I'm guessing he doesn't know about renewable energies. Here in Illinois we're going to have LOTS of solar arrays that will be pumping out some serious juice within the next few years. There are also wind farms...solar is basically free energy and the costs are getting a lot better.
 

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I'm guessing he doesn't know about renewable energies. Here in Illinois we're going to have LOTS of solar arrays that will be pumping out some serious juice within the next few years. There are also wind farms...solar is basically free energy and the costs are getting a lot better.
lol, I know enough about renewables, what you dont know is in the UK the energy companies pass on the ful costs to develop them. The UK is not like the US. Our version of a free market is pretty much, don't pass on the savings, charge extra for the R&D. Our bills are rising over here (even before brexit) even though energy wholesale costs have risen and fallen etc.

Our govt plain sucks at improving business to help all. So renewables, ironically, end up adding a tariff onto our bills as the govt imposes CO2 emission chrages on coal and gas etc. And solar is not free. The R&D plus manufacture and actual solar efficiency is pretty bad. And where i live it's very green and very cloudy - no droughts, very little sun.
 
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I'm guessing he doesn't know about renewable energies. Here in Illinois we're going to have LOTS of solar arrays that will be pumping out some serious juice within the next few years. There are also wind farms...solar is basically free energy and the costs are getting a lot better.
OH MY GOD.
First we had "mining is free money" and now "solar is free energy". Where do you guys come from? :eek:
Where is this going? What's next? Fridge contains free food?

Why would anyone install a solar panel in Illinois? I checked some figures on sun exposure and it should be similar to central Europe - that is: rubbish. Solar panels in Europe are subsidized, because they can hardly make a profit.
 
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OH MY GOD.
First we had "mining is free money" and now "solar is free energy". Where do you guys come from? :eek:
Where is this going? What's next? Fridge contains free food?

Why would anyone install a solar panel in Illinois? I checked some figures on sun exposure and it should be similar to central Europe - that is: rubbish. Solar panels in Europe are subsidized, because they can hardly make a profit.
Don't worry, after everyone installs them, IL will pass a high tax on owning solar panels and give half the money to the electric companies (the rest into their wallets).
 

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OH MY GOD.
First we had "mining is free money" and now "solar is free energy". Where do you guys come from? :eek:
Where is this going? What's next? Fridge contains free food?

Why would anyone install a solar panel in Illinois? I checked some figures on sun exposure and it should be similar to central Europe - that is: rubbish. Solar panels in Europe are subsidized, because they can hardly make a profit.
Mining is free money :roll: What is the saying "if you love your job you never work a day in your life"?
 

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Well, with miners already drooling over VEGA for their mining garbage, it's not looking good. I'm frankly still interested in RX Vega, I'm just afraid it won't be obtainable or the prices will be ridiculous. It's even more of a problem because I have to wait for september because that's when aftermarket Vega's arrive. Blower just isn't worth it and AiO version might be priced a bit too high. But I think they'll be easier obtainable now than in september.
Vya the funny thing is i went with lower cards. and boards- making due until i bought the Ryzen 7 1800x i had been using a I7-930 cpu on gigabyte boards and a amd R9 270-- which i'm currently using still on this R71800x, Intel and Nvidia both have been Screwing us over with Incremental 3-8% increases in CPU and graphics.. and charging inflated prices. i haven't had a single prob with this CPU took the time to put on water cooling- my first ever
but after reading thru this and other forums and shoveling out the crap and whining. I look at it this way for the price of a 1080 ti water cooled is $1200 or so a amd vega 64 Liq is $700 the same results slightly lower when you look at benchmarks, all the review and testing. well im ok with that at this point.. if your like me using a r9-270x or such card then this is a good deal if your using a card bought in the last year or 2 and price is a contention then Just Make due until it stabilizes. just like Monitors the price is crazy - bought a 43" Vizio 4k tv and use it as a monitor 120htz, 2160p we all make choices to get there.
looking at the price of the FE edition being 1500.00 water cooled then the Vega64 falls in line with the price. Asus msi and others wont be coming out with water cooled versions until mid sep at the earliest. the stock air cooled versions prob earliest last week august Asus is making a limited edition vega 64 x2 ie 2 cards in one water cooled im guessing around $1680+ and over 600 watts :)

anyway this forum is entertaining to read.
 

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Vya the funny thing is i went with lower cards. and boards- making due until i bought the Ryzen 7 1800x i had been using a I7-930 cpu on gigabyte boards and a amd R9 270-- which i'm currently using still on this R71800x, Intel and Nvidia both have been Screwing us over with Incremental 3-8% increases in CPU and graphics.. and charging inflated prices. i haven't had a single prob with this CPU took the time to put on water cooling- my first ever
but after reading thru this and other forums and shoveling out the crap and whining. I look at it this way for the price of a 1080 ti water cooled is $1200 or so a amd vega 64 Liq is $700 the same results slightly lower when you look at benchmarks, all the review and testing. well im ok with that at this point.. if your like me using a r9-270x or such card then this is a good deal if your using a card bought in the last year or 2 and price is a contention then Just Make due until it stabilizes. just like Monitors the price is crazy - bought a 43" Vizio 4k tv and use it as a monitor 120htz, 2160p we all make choices to get there.
looking at the price of the FE edition being 1500.00 water cooled then the Vega64 falls in line with the price. Asus msi and others wont be coming out with water cooled versions until mid sep at the earliest. the stock air cooled versions prob earliest last week august Asus is making a limited edition vega 64 x2 ie 2 cards in one water cooled im guessing around $1680+ and over 600 watts :)

anyway this forum is entertaining to read.
The 1080ti from 980ti is a massive perfirmance jump...I don't know what 8% you are looking at
 
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Energy Company is more lightly to report you to police (For A Pre Dawn Vist with the Sledge Hammer front door key ) as you would then be a suspect for Cannabis Farming/Home Growing
Now Would that be" POT hole mining":roll:o_O:laugh:
Ironic that the cheap power is in one of the pot legal states then, eh?
 
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anyway this forum is entertaining to read.
But you comment wasn't. Maybe it would be easier if it was in English...

NVIDIA provides quite massive jumps.
For the last 3 generations the *70 model was at least matching previous flagship. They're offering solid +30% in most segments and generations are 2 years apart at most.
And don't you worry about Intel. They've concentrated on other things lately and got slightly surprised by Zen, but will be back to leading CPU efficiency sooner than you think. It's inevitable.

AMD has been making GPUs for a decade now and they still can't match the quality ATI offered. Such a pity this great company was taken over by such a management tragedy. :-(
 
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Tragedy? HD6000 was first AMD generation and it wasn't bad at all. HD7000 was the first actually designed entirely by AMD and it introduced GCN which is still beating today to some degree. It is one of the most highly praised Radeon cards of all times. Had one and it was pretty awesome indeed. R9 290X, despite everyone whining about it was actually very powerful card. So powerful they could later just rebrand it as R9 390X and go against NVIDIA's brand new GTX 980. Successfully. Polaris, despite all the whining again proved to be perfectly capable card. Minimal performance gains over R9 290X, but huge in efficiency. R9 Fury is probably a bit meh, but still capable card, but RX Vega, although not the speed king seems like decent card as well. The last generations after R9 290X aren't out of this world spectacular, made with tradeoffs, but calling them bad would be disingenuous.
 
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I wonder how many people still live with the false impression that everything about ATI just sort of vanished when they were acquired by AMD.
 

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Tragedy? HD6000 was first AMD generation and it wasn't bad at all. HD7000 was the first actually designed entirely by AMD and it introduced GCN which is still beating today to some degree. It is one of the most highly praised Radeon cards of all times. Had one and it was pretty awesome indeed. R9 290X, despite everyone whining about it was actually very powerful card. So powerful they could later just rebrand it as R9 390X and go against NVIDIA's brand new GTX 980. Successfully. Polaris, despite all the whining again proved to be perfectly capable card. Minimal performance gains over R9 290X, but huge in efficiency. R9 Fury is probably a bit meh, but still capable card, but RX Vega, although not the speed king seems like decent card as well. The last generations after R9 290X aren't out of this world spectacular, made with tradeoffs, but calling them bad would be disingenuous.
AMD acquired ATi in 2009 the HD2k series was the first AMD branded cards...
 
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That can't be right. Neither Wiki agrees with that and neither my memory. If that was true, my HD4850 (Sapphire, reference blower) and HD5850 (MSI reference blower) should be AMD branded (they came after HD2000 series, clearly). And they weren't for sure. They were both branded ATi. Even the HD6950 that I had I think was still ATi branded even though they were already stamping AMD on boxes (not on actual cards afaik). I just can't find any images of it. It was Sapphire HD6950 2GB Silent Efficiency with single fan in the middle of rectangular shroud. Similar to HD6950 Flex, but I know my model wasn't Flex...
 
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The branding change did not coincide with the moment they were bought by AMD. 6xxx series was the first AMD branded GPU series but by then ATI was already part of AMD for quite some time. 6xxx was TeraScale.
 
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Tragedy? HD6000 was first AMD generation and it wasn't bad at all. HD7000 was the first actually designed entirely by AMD and it introduced GCN which is still beating today to some degree. It is one of the most highly praised Radeon cards of all times. Had one and it was pretty awesome indeed. R9 290X, despite everyone whining about it was actually very powerful card. So powerful they could later just rebrand it as R9 390X and go against NVIDIA's brand new GTX 980. Successfully. Polaris, despite all the whining again proved to be perfectly capable card. Minimal performance gains over R9 290X, but huge in efficiency. R9 Fury is probably a bit meh, but still capable card, but RX Vega, although not the speed king seems like decent card as well. The last generations after R9 290X aren't out of this world spectacular, made with tradeoffs, but calling them bad would be disingenuous.
I've always thought the problem with the 290 is it took too long to get out the door. I recommended AMD cards only to watch people ignore me and pay more for worse performance. The GTX 1K series is a significant gap but the damage was already done.
 

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That can't be right. Neither Wiki agrees with that and neither my memory. If that was true, my HD4850 (Sapphire, reference blower) and HD5850 (MSI reference blower) should be AMD branded (they came after HD2000 series, clearly). And they weren't for sure. They were both branded ATi. Even the HD6950 that I had I think was still ATi branded even though they were already stamping AMD on boxes (not on actual cards afaik). I just can't find any images of it. It was Sapphire HD6950 2GB Silent Efficiency with single fan in the middle of rectangular shroud. Similar to HD6950 Flex, but I know my model wasn't Flex...
I apoligize I typod 2006 ATi became part of AMD. Just because it still said ATi on the logo doesn't make it any less of an AMD product.
 
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Energy certainly isn't free and I haven't heard much of solar in Illinois, but there have been many large wind turbine farms in Illinois for years. There are ones with 100+ turbines just outside Peoria and close to 100 near DeKalb, and many others. Combined with cheap natural gas, thankfully energy is relatively very cheap here (.065 a kw/hr).

Unless you're running a ton of cards (like 20+) I doubt it would be a blip on a energy company radar. 1 plasma tv uses as many watts as 2 Vegas. I've also filled pools before which used thousands of extra gallons of water and I didn't have police at my door.
 
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Energy certainly isn't free and I haven't heard much of solar in Illinois, but there have been many large wind turbine farms in Illinois for years. There are ones with 100+ turbines just outside Peoria and close to 100 near DeKalb, and many others. Combined with cheap natural gas, thankfully energy is relatively very cheap here (.065 a kw/hr).

Unless you're running a ton of cards (like 20+) I doubt it would be a blip on a energy company radar. 1 plasma tv uses as many watts as 2 Vegas. I've also filled pools before which used thousands of extra gallons of water and I didn't have police at my door.
Energy isn;t totally free, ever. Anyone imagining it is living in cuckoo land, there are maintenance, material, personnel costs involved in using renewables.
Unless you can eliminate all 3, basically free installation & free everything afterwards, there will be certain costs associated with solar, wind et al forever.
 
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I wonder how many people still live with the false impression that everything about ATI just sort of vanished when they were acquired by AMD.
Of course nothing vanished (instantly). But the management changed and that's what I mentioned. The key difference is that ATI was GPU-centric, so they had to work hard to survive. For AMD this whole branch is just a side-project. Partly to make APUs, partly to get a strong position in consoles. IMO the idea of GPU as a device made for gaming on PCs got a much lower priority after the takeover.

Few years later AMD's consumer GPUs are better for mining and general calculations than they are for games. And hardly anyone cares about their HPC lineup, so we don't know if it's good for games...

Energy certainly isn't free and I haven't heard much of solar in Illinois, but there have been many large wind turbine farms in Illinois for years. There are ones with 100+ turbines just outside Peoria and close to 100 near DeKalb, and many others. Combined with cheap natural gas, thankfully energy is relatively very cheap here (.065 a kw/hr).
Solar-wise Illinois is rubbish - no point discussing that further. :)

As for wind... Generally speaking, Illinois is quite far from the central US area known for strong winds. Yet, there are quite many wind farms.
Is wind energy subsidized by the state? Or maybe there's some microclimat that helps? Lakes?
Potential: http://www.tindallcorp.com/site/user/images/USA_Wind_Map_for_Tindall_Transp_2.jpg
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I know how to get back at miners, well a miner. I'm staying up late Sunday night, going to order a Vega from Amazon and another one from my local Microcenters as pickup. I'll sell both for Triple the price.
 

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I know how to get back at miners, well a miner. I'm staying up late Sunday night, going to order a Vega from Amazon and another one from my local Microcenters as pickup. I'll sell both for Triple the price.
You do understand the market isn't hot enough to spend $1500 on a gpu? You know how I know that? Vega is out for that price already.
 
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You do understand the market isn't hot enough to spend $1500 on a gpu? You know how I know that? Vega is out for that price already.
You know what I mean, if it's worth $399 MSRP then I'll sell it for $650. Triple was just an exaggeration :)
 
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