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AMD To Give Up Competing With Intel On x86? CPU Prices Already Shooting Up

Discussion in 'News' started by qubit, Nov 29, 2011.

  1. CrAsHnBuRnXp

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    What I dont understand is how the AMD engineers find it so damn difficult to make a solid chip that is competitive with Intel's offerings. Especially after all these years.
     
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    two things:

    1: finally the crappy amd can leave x86 and make room for a real cpu company to compete with intel
    2: bought time we moved past x86, isn't it...
     
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    Just how much money did amd put into bulldozer?:confused:
     
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    Except that then Intel will have to compete against themselves to try and get people to actually buy CPU's. Why would they continually make the same product when people would then have no reason to upgrade and thus give Intel actual income? They would face heaps of Anti-Trust suits forcing the company apart well before AMD was allowed to go under.

    The bottom line is AMD isn't going anywhere, and they have nobody but themselves to blame for subpar products. I don't buy for a second that they didn't see BD being weak from the get-go. It's fucking Multi-Core Netburst with a slightly better version of Hyper-Threading. I knew just by hearing the description of it that it was going to disappoint. This article is just sensationalist crap, similar to all those articles that pop up about how Apple will overtake everything and Microsoft is a stones throw from going belly-up.

    The fact is, things in the Tech Industry move fast, and fluctuate often, for all we know the 7xxx series could blow the 6xx series away and AMD could post huge gains in their GPU segment, we just don't know. I mean, TSMC's Revenue was down ~35%, but everyone still raves about how great they are doing.
     
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    I don't know about Jakarta but here AMD is only competitive in the $125-180 price point. That may be a popular price point but apparently not enough to survive on.
     
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    Probably just shifting focus after Bulldozer, they more likely just want to focus on other markets as stated such as mobile devices like smartphones and tablets.

    I still think it's nonsense that AMD will be quitting the desktop CPU market, as there is still a lot of money to be made in that segment.
     
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    one more failure like BD and they can exit the cpu market.they didn't learn anything from the Phenom fail:/
     
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    When BEASTS get cornered they get 180% more vicious and become super agressive as they are fighting for their life/survival.

    When AMD gets cornered, they lay down and prepare to get rick-rolled without a fight.

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    you could say that AMD has been fighting for a long time - If you can class rolling over as as fighting then yeah, they the best at it.

    Bulldozer is not the first monumental fuck up AMD have made.... Remember the days when AMD staff said their new CPU's were 'PHENOM-INAL'?? Then Intel came out with a game changer - the Core 2 Duo and slapped AMD's new phenom around like a cheap worthless whore.

    I still remember reading a article in customPC magazine about AMD talking about their phenom and their thoughts on Intels new C2D chips. Aparently, AMD knew about the new C2D chips way before the phenom was due for release but refused to delay it while they tweaked the performance some more.

    And the same thing happed with Bulldozer except Bulldozer was a 'victim' of clever marketting. AMD had ample time to come up with a superior CPU since the C2D's, C2Q's and even SB chips as they were out long before AMD's BD. And what happends??? they fail to grasp victory again. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

    AMD's move does not suprise me. Obviously I want them to carry on competing just like everyone else does but it comes to a point in the road where flogging a horse no longer makes the horse run faster.
     
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    I like it - yes and yes. :toast:

    The only problem with point 1 is that "exclusive" licence. I use the quotes, because I know VIA and one or two others have an x86 licence, so I don't quite understand the deal here.

    I might have to research this point and perhaps write up an editorial on it. :)
     
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    Things would be lookin a lot better for amd at this point if they just would have simply marketed the 8 core as a 4core 8 thread processor. Everyones perception of the new CPU would have been quite the opposite if that were the case.
     
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    That's a great rant and well put. :toast:
     
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    I'm fairly certain AMD are going to remain in the x86 market but probably focus on APUs, assuming computing software carries on the way it is APUs are a good investment.

    (APUs would make great super computer processors potentially given that they have a GPU in them that can do floating point brilliantly)

    They also don't make bad desktop cpus for the very same reason ( although not many desktop apps that utilise the tech at the moment)
     
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    you really think the existence of AMD is what's driving intel's incredible innovation rate :confused:
     
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    I don't think Intel should be punished for doing well. If Amd can't keep up with Intel why should Intel help them out? If we end up with an Intel monopoly, it might not be so good for us, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

    Remember, in business the idea is to crush your opposition, not help them to crush you. Unfortunately it's a dog eat dog world.
     
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    Why would they bother if they had no competition?
     
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    Why do you think they have any competition?


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    Well, yeah, it's something. Well, it was until Sandy Bridge came out...
     
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    Not sure how it will go out as monopoly is illegal in the US, Europe, Japan and many other countries.

    I don't think Mike Silverman is right. He may say what he thinks but there will always be AMD competing against intel. Look at VIA, they still offer their processors, not sure if they sell them but they are there. AMD got around 20% of CPU market share. Its not that bad, the problem is that in the times we're living anything can happen.
     
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    I think Intel just caught AMD off gaurd and now they're paying for it, actually no . . . . they should have stopped developing BD once they saw how bad it was in closed testing

    If they stopped and continued the Phenom II line, this would be a different situation

    they really stepped on a mine they made themselves.
     
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    The same thing applies to both comments here.

    Intel owns say 75% of the CPU market. They have the capacity to meet the demand of that part of the market, but really, not much more than that.

    AMD has 23%. They currently have issues getting chips on store shelves.

    AMD can NEVER compete with Intel until they can PRODUCE enough chips to meet Intel's demand. The cost of the foundries needed is not possible for AMD's foundry partners, nor anyone else.

    Intel literally OWNS the market, because they OWN the fabrication facilities. Even if x86 code use disappeared completely tomorrow, Intel would still own the market, as none else can make the chips the meet demand. As long as computing products are sold, Intel will own the CPU market completely, and that's just that.


    If hte industry is truly going to thrive, each company needs to centralize focus on the products they produce, in order to meet specific needs, rather than a broad range of capabilities. Current technology is so advanced that there really is very little need for further growth in overall computing power...we need more uses for computing technology before that will ever become an issue.

    Frankly, I think dropping the x86 CPU market is the bet thing for AMD, so they can focus on GPU designs, and use other companies CPUs to power their GPU technologies. All AMD really needs is a small, efficient CPU, not any server-based technology like Bulldozer is. Low-power, small footprint technology has far more possible uses once functionality is "made-to-order".

    The sad part is that AMD needs the revenue from CPU sales to pay their loans.
     
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    Do you guys know how a business the size of intel works.

    They have shareholders which demand profit and innovation.

    Even if AMD tanks intel still has to release cpu's to hold their huge profit margins up.

    And no is gonna buy sandbridge 3 if its only 100mhz faster than the last and with no IPC improvement. The server market always need faster chips and we just get the left overs for desktop processors that is always how it has been.

    And the desktop segment is slowing down due to the shift to more mobile devices it was already happening and will happen regardless if AMD is here or not.


    You need to start looking at the bigger picture!
     
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    Of course they are not. You'll be getting AMD branded chips for years to come. :D

    Ahahah on 1. Who do you suggest that be?
    2: About time we move past d-sub too (yah, on computer's that's happening but friggin TV's will be calling it a "PC input" for ages)
     
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    I am disappointed in AMD's inability to compete with Intel, but that does not make AMD a crappy company.

    I suppose noone remembers when AMD held the performance crown back in the Athlon XP/64 days. This made Intel completely change the way they designed processors. They realized that you can make a fast processor by making it more efficient instead of just ramping up clockspeed(p4).

    Intel wouldn't be what it is today if AMD never stepped in.

    I don't know why they're having such a hard time, a few years ago they were doing great.

    However, I don't think that Intel will slow down their development of extremely fast processors with AMD gone.

    I will personally miss having great processors for a good price.

    I just unlocked an Athlon II x4's L3 cache and clocked it to 3.5ghz for 100 bucks. Wish I could get that kind of bang for buck with Intel.

    I have nothing against either processor manufacterer, competition is good for the consumer. These companies kept each other in check for years.

    I hope AMD bounces back but it looks like the company is being ran by pussies now. They are ready to give up. Sad, really.

    Just because Intel wins in synthetic benchmarks doesn't mean that AMD processors are crappy. Most users wouldn't see a difference while using a high end AMD machine vs a high end Intel machine.
     
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    AMD is a good company for progression of technology, so they should be fine with this new move that they have.

    Despite the loss of profit, the company is still slowly increasing in profit for their Phenom series as affordable solutions, and same goes for their server solutions. My thought is that they are just rethinking their company after helping innovate such products like the popular APUs. AMD is a collaborative company in nature, allowing a fair chance competing in other markets.

    If anything, they are making a catalyst (haha) towards future solutions with their presence in mobile computing solutions. If they progress well, they may give high performance desktops another go. As for Intel, they are either going to monopolize and show weakness in value for other competitors in the market or stay where they are and slowly begin price cuts.
     
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    i said it soo many times, amd should give up on the high end stuff and go mid range/low end/energy efficient, thats where all the volume is, this is a sad day, but i doubt intel will be given the market on a silver platter, someone will step in to save amd
     

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