AMD Vega Discussion Thread

[ratirt]

You see its Google foo hunters like you that truly are ruining the world , a 6800 was never an enthusiats card despite nv doing said page ,did you buy one? Have you run one , i did for 1 month then it got flipped.
Again earthdogs right on the grander point yet you sidestep to talking about what is an enthusiast card.
Op ????

Vega Xt. @ 10% above or below 1080ti dep on app
Vega Xs ? @ 1080 performance +10%
Vega Lt nano at 1070 performance+10%
All dependant on the game load

All ishy guestimates just for you

Google hunter? isn't this obvious? you always ask for link here you go. for me enthusiast is a highest end graphics. but it has also different value than just game performance. Titan is an enthusiast for me. but high end is 1080 as well. you can play each game 1080p with 60FPS 2k may apply here too. with good quality. that's a high end card knowing that most players play these resolutions. Enthusiast? play 4k and what they will need? Enthusiasts card maybe? Aka Titan xp?

I hope your estimates will come true if this is what you really think. I been waiting for Vega so long and no matter where it will end up no matter what tier I'm buying one and fsync monitor. Haven't decided yet if 2 or 4k. still struggling with this.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Google hunter? isn't this obvious? you always ask for link here you go. for me enthusiast is a highest end graphics. but it has also different value than just game performance. Titan is an enthusiast for me. but high end is 1080 as well. you can play each game 1080p with 60FPS 2k may apply here too. with good quality. that's a high end card knowing that most players play these resolutions. Enthusiast? play 4k and what they will need? Enthusiasts card maybe? Aka Titan xp?

I hope your estimates will come true if this is what you really think. I been waiting for Vega so long and no matter where it will end up no matter what tier I'm buying one and fsync monitor. Haven't decided yet if 2 or 4k. still struggling with this.

right ill let the world know the reclassification , so only Titan is enthusiast , and a 1080 is high end in your opinion, and for 4k as an enthusiast now ,you need Titan XP

just to measure then my rx 480 , just one, must be high end then because 1080p or 2k doesnt sweat it.

oh and i asked for no links , i asked you to get back OT and to stop stating the obvious, which to be fair you have , now your expressing an opinion about some other shit then this threads about for the most part.


"I hope your estimates will come true if this is what you really think. I been waiting for Vega so long and no matter where it will end up no matter what tier I'm buying one and fsync monitor. Haven't decided yet if 2 or 4k. still struggling with this."

start a thread , ill join in there too

 

[kruk]

https://twitter.com/GFXChipTweeter/status/869895814545514497

Did he make the situation worse ("about 60" typo) or better? You decide ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[r9]

You see its Google foo hunters like you that truly are ruining the world , a 6800 was never an enthusiats card despite nv doing said page ,did you buy one? Have you run one , i did for 1 month then it got flipped.
Again earthdogs right on the grander point yet you sidestep to talking about what is an enthusiast card.
Op ????

Vega Xt. @ 10% above or below 1080ti dep on app
Vega Xs ? @ 1080 performance +10%
Vega Lt nano at 1070 performance+10%
All dependant on the game load

All ishy guestimates just for you

If those asumptions are end up being correct that would be a hit for AMD. Especially if they manage to sell it little bit cheaper compared to NV.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Sadly, the first guy in that string is clueless. The card is yet to be invented that can play every game 60fps at 4k. One 1080Ti certainly can't do that. Personally, I believe it's the mythical white whale, or unicorn, since games will get progressively better on graphics. It will never be achieved without a "YUGE" leap forward in GPU technology beyond any game engine.

 

[Fluffmeister]

A single GTX 1080 Ti seems to do fine running Prey @ 4K for what it's worth.

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-05/prey-benchmark/2/#diagramm-prey-3840-2160

 

[cdawall]

If those asumptions are end up being correct that would be a hit for AMD. Especially if they manage to sell it little bit cheaper compared to NV.

How would it be a hit Volta comes out within a couple of months?

 

[r9]

How would it be a hit Volta comes out within a couple of months?

More like 2018 from what I could find.
80%-90% of users are fine with 1070-1080 performance. And we can have that for cheaper. Plus as we know nvidia drivers don't play that well with Ryzen. Because of their shitty software scheduler. With Vega Ryzen users won't have to worry abut that. I get that having the fastest product is important because silly enough that is somehow important even to the people who gonna buy the gt 1030.
But realistically Vega would cover 99% of the users.
And if the can offer slightly cheaper and faster product than NV is a win even with NV having the fastest GPU.

 

[cdawall]

More like 2018 from what I could find.
80%-90% of users are fine with 1070-1080 performance. And we can have that for cheaper. Plus as we know nvidia drivers don't play that well with Ryzen. Because of their shitty software scheduler. With Vega Ryzen users won't have to worry abut that. I get that having the fastest product is important because silly enough that is somehow important even to the people who gonna buy the gt 1030.
But realistically Vega would cover 99% of the users.
And if the can offer slightly cheaper and faster product than NV is a win even with NV having the fastest GPU.

The only useful thing coming from vega is an increase in mining performance. Everything else is already in a 1080ti

 

[erocker]

Delay after delay and what little they just showed doesnt leave me with much confidence with whatever they're releasing whenever they actually release it.

 

[the54thvoid]

Well, when was the last time a company released a gfx card that was 100% faster than it's previous high end card? Because in Prey - an AMD optimised game, the 1080ti is almost 100% faster than the Fury X....

With the same 4096 cores, does anyone really think Vega can double Fury's performance?

All the architecture improvements and a huge ramp in clocks will have to be miraculous to perform better than the 1080ti. I certainly think it will be faster than a 1080 but not close enough to the GP102.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Don't think you can even buy Fury X cards anymore. Even if you could, it'd probably only go for about $300-$350. 1080 Ti costs twice as much.

 

[r9]

Well, when was the last time a company released a gfx card that was 100% faster than it's previous high end card? Because in Prey - an AMD optimised game, the 1080ti is almost 100% faster than the Fury X....

With the same 4096 cores, does anyone really think Vega can double Fury's performance?

All the architecture improvements and a huge ramp in clocks will have to be miraculous to perform better than the 1080ti. I certainly think it will be faster than a 1080 but not close enough to the GP102.

Steep mountain to climb for Amd that's for sure.
I always cheer for the underdog .
If Amd pulls a rabbit of their hat, pushes development and lowers prices, everybody wins.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Well, when was the last time a company released a gfx card that was 100% faster than it's previous high end card? Because in Prey - an AMD optimised game, the 1080ti is almost 100% faster than the Fury X....

With the same 4096 cores, does anyone really think Vega can double Fury's performance?

All the architecture improvements and a huge ramp in clocks will have to be miraculous to perform better than the 1080ti. I certainly think it will be faster than a 1080 but not close enough to the GP102.

I'm not so sure , these cards are bandwidth constrained (1080ti/Vega) but vega has a Potential game changer (cache cntrl), im most interested in the included infinity fabric too, only possibilities for now.

 

[HTC]

I think AMD underestimated just how much ahead the 1080Ti was going to be VS the 1080, and the Xp is slightly faster then the Ti so it's even worse.

I'm pretty sure Vega was going to easily beat the 1080 but, because of the 1080 higher then expected difference to both the Ti and Xp, Vega doesn't quite reach it, unless they raise the clocks allot, which destroys both overclocking ability as well as performance per watt, and they'll lose the performance per dollar because of the usage of HBM2 (i'm expecting Vega to be priced @ 1080Ti $ or higher price because of that). If they launched the card with the originally planned specs, they would lose to nVidia very convincingly so they opted to make as many optimizations as possible, which took (and are STILL taking) time so that they can @ least close the gap to the Ti and Xp without sacrificing OC ability and power usage.

Even with that, i'm convinced they'll still lose much more then they'll win in game benchmarks, but @ least it won't be by allot.

That said, here's to hoping i'm wrong because, if Vega trades blows with Ti / Xp, then there will be price wars and we the consumers will benefit from it.

 

[cdawall]

Delay after delay and what little they just showed doesnt leave me with much confidence with whatever they're releasing whenever they actually release it.

Join the club I got a 1080Ti for a reason. This is getting stupid.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I think AMD underestimated just how much ahead the 1080Ti was going to be VS the 1080, and the Xp is slightly faster then the Ti so it's even worse.

I'm pretty sure Vega was going to easily beat the 1080 but, because of the 1080 higher then expected difference to both the Ti and Xp, Vega doesn't quite reach it, unless they raise the clocks allot, which destroys both overclocking ability as well as performance per watt, and they'll lose the performance per dollar because of the usage of HBM2 (i'm expecting Vega to be priced @ 1080Ti $ or higher price because of that). If they launched the card with the originally planned specs, they would lose to nVidia very convincingly so they opted to make as many optimizations as possible, which took (and are STILL taking) time so that they can @ least close the gap to the Ti and Xp without sacrificing OC ability and power usage.

Even with that, i'm convinced they'll still lose much more then they'll win in game benchmarks, but @ least it won't be by allot.

That said, here's to hoping i'm wrong because, if Vega trades blows with Ti / Xp, then there will be price wars and we the consumers will benefit from it.

I doubt they were blind sided by a chip that had been on sale in another guise for a year ,it was a tesla ,you could buy and know its performance.

Either time for that matter , when it became titan or geforce ,volta had some surprises to be sure , Kepler /Pascal not really.

 

[xkm1948]

Join the club I got a 1080Ti for a reason. This is getting stupid.

I will join the green side during Volta generation. Might get a Titan as well. I have been playing a bit with my colleague's TitanXp. Performance wise nothing can touch it in terms of CUDA/OpenCL applications(OK HBM2 GP100 will). Design wise that fan is horribly loud. Too bad that card never even see any benchmark, it went directly to a Linux workstation for bioinformatic mining.

 

[ratirt]

Sadly, the first guy in that string is clueless. The card is yet to be invented that can play every game 60fps at 4k. One 1080Ti certainly can't do that. Personally, I believe it's the mythical white whale, or unicorn, since games will get progressively better on graphics. It will never be achieved without a "YUGE" leap forward in GPU technology beyond any game engine.

Right clueless. You are talking about few games that maybe stress GPU to the limit and the frames are 50 or something, good quality is not Crazy preset. Admire you people for reading and understanding nothing sticking to your flawed understanding picking right texts from others to support yours making fun of the, It really sucks. There's no other way just yours right?
Give me an example of one game that you wont be able to play 1080p with 1080 TI 60 FPS with good image quality.

right ill let the world know the reclassification , so only Titan is enthusiast , and a 1080 is high end in your opinion, and for 4k as an enthusiast now ,you need Titan XP

just to measure then my rx 480 , just one, must be high end then because 1080p or 2k doesnt sweat it.

oh and i asked for no links , i asked you to get back OT and to stop stating the obvious, which to be fair you have , now your expressing an opinion about some other shit then this threads about for the most part.


"I hope your estimates will come true if this is what you really think. I been waiting for Vega so long and no matter where it will end up no matter what tier I'm buying one and fsync monitor. Haven't decided yet if 2 or 4k. still struggling with this."

start a thread , ill join in there too

Tired of you and the "obvious" repeated all the time over and over. Like a broken record. I think you don't even know what to say I guess. Well good for you
I did some time ago. haven't noticed you there. Please be my guest https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/monitors-4k.233139/

 

[rtwjunkie]

Right clueless. You are talking about few games that maybe stress GPU to the limit and the frames are 50 or something, good quality is not Crazy preset. Admire you people for reading and understanding nothing sticking to your flawed understanding picking right texts from others to support yours making fun of the, It really sucks. There's no other way just yours right?
Give me an example of one game that you wont be able to play 1080p with 1080 TI 60 FPS with good image quality.

I did your work for you:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1080_Ti_Gaming_X/

And the guy clearly was talking 4k, not 1080p. Reading is fundamental.

 

[ratirt]

I did your work for you:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_1080_Ti_Gaming_X/

And the guy clearly was talking 4k, not 1080p. Reading is fundamental.

yeah my bad. I meant 4k. You can run practically any game 4k with 1080ti 60PFS with good quality. I was referring to 4k gaming enthusiast and Titan as enthusiast graphics which I consider as one but for you is high-end.
If you read my previous posts you would know too. Yeah fundamentals that's for sure.

 

[Vayra86]

I mean, if you take for example StriX card you're assured it's gonna run quiet, cool and generally overclock well. That's branding 101.

This is total BS, because there are strix versions that can't even OC on Pascal, there have been Strix cards that aren't that great in terms of cooling either.

Kinda destroys your whole theory on why one would pick a brand or a series within a brand. Its nonsense, history has shown that you need to make an informed purchase every single time and the one time you don't do your research, big chance you'll get a dud that doesn't do what you expect it to do.

And not just Asus either. All brands have zero-db fan solutions now, all brands have overkill boards that you can't even use, all brands have budget blowers that perform as shit as the FE versions. And every new round of releases, all these little brands do changes. And all of this doesn't even include the OEM cards that sometimes miss shaders, VRAM or other stuff. Anyone who buys on just brand/series is making an uninformed purchase, its as simple as that.

yeah my bad. I meant 4k. You can run practically any game 4k with 1080ti 60PFS with good quality.
If you read my previous posts you would know too. Yeah fundamentals that's for sure.

Don't talk nonsense, if you say this you obviously don't push your systems. You can run 4K practically any game 'with good quality' on a 980ti as well, that still doesn't say shit about what you consider good quality. The fact remains, that 1080ti is not 'the end all 4K card' and it never will be, it is just 30% on top of a 1080's performance and that is all it is. In 6 months you will re-read your statement and facepalm on it.

 

[ratirt]

Don't talk nonsense, if you say this you obviously don't push your systems. You can run 4K practically any game 'with good quality' on a 980ti as well, that still doesn't say shit about what you consider good quality. The fact remains, that 1080ti is not 'the end all 4K card' and it never will be, it is just 30% on top of a 1080's performance and that is all it is. In 6 months you will re-read your statement and facepalm on it.

Excuse me ? Nonsense? https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti_Amp_Extreme/
Here you go. All games on TI run 60 FPS average. That's decent.
3 games give a bit struggle. Warhammer, Deus EX and watch dog2 average 45 FPS. Those were measured in highest possible settings. you can get those tweaked to make it go 60 FPS without much effort. What is a 4k gaming for you? 4K and 160FPS ? or what is it?
980 Ti 4k? yeah with 20 FPS? Good quality - highest preset with tweaks like reduce shadows a bit and you are good to go. Not going medium detail preset. did You get hit in the head or something?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Excuse me ? Nonsense? https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti_Amp_Extreme/
Here you go. All games on TI run 60 FPS average. That's decent.
3 games give a bit struggle. Warhammer, Deus EX and watch dog2 average 45 FPS. Those were measured in highest possible settings. you can get those tweaked to make it go 60 FPS without much effort. What is a 4k gaming for you? 4K and 160FPS ? or what is it?
980 Ti 4k? yeah with 20 FPS? Good quality - highest preset with tweaks like reduce shadows a bit and you are good to go. Not going medium detail preset. did You get hit in the head or something?

I'm there, i game at 4k all the time and now i can thats all i want to do, i also like every setting maxed but no one can do that on one card atm on Every game, thats a fact , and the three games you noted plus prey and dues ex mankind divided go to show where games are going with increased scene complexity and better and more use of lighting and less use of defferred rendering.

Your perception is limited by your experience I believe.

One card to rule them all ,thats all a few of us want, for now ,,,,then 8k(technically im using 2x4k screens) and 200hz please amd/nvidia Asap, oh and cheap.

 

[ratirt]

I'm there, i game at 4k all the time and now i can thats all i want to do, i also like every setting maxed but no one can do that on one card atm on Every game, thats a fact , and the three games you noted plus prey and dues ex mankind divided go to show where games are going with increased scene complexity and better and more use of lighting and less use of defferred rendering.

Your perception is limited by your experience I believe.

One card to rule them all ,thats all a few of us want, for now ,,,,then 8k(technically im using 2x4k screens) and 200hz please amd/nvidia Asap, oh and cheap.

Well from my stand point. What I saw with 4k and how it performs it is awesome. That is why I want this. Reducing some effects makes no difference to me actually. It still rocks with the visuals and creams my corn just to think about it. I know that games develop and they will eat more resources but that wont happen within 6 months so there's still time. Besides GPU's develop as well and are more powerful. Hopefully 4k will become mainstream at some point. I wish but that's a long run.