Antifreezer + Destilliert Water

[Vayra86]

Your back and forth is giving me stress cracks over here

 

[jaggerwild]

Guys,
so much important stuff to argue about, other then this. A lot of injustices in the world today, this is petty. Agree to dis-agree.........

 

[Mr.Scott]

Your back and forth is giving me stress cracks over here

I very much agree. I can only tell of my own personal experiences.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@Knoxx29
Have you considered Mineral Oil? Non-corrosive, won't damage acrylic, not to viscous to stress a pump, not to expensive, doesn't go rancid, won't develop bacterial or fungal growth and is MUCH better at heat transfer than any water formulated coolant. And best of all, it's non-conductive. So if you do get a leak, it won't short out or kill your system/components.

 

[infrared]

@lexluthermiester A lot of your points are good, however oil has a terrible thermal capacity compared to water. 1.67KJ/Kg vs 4.19KJ/Kg for water, so the oil would warm up more without actually absorbing as much heat. It'd be interesting to see how much difference there would be in practice though.
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-fluids-d_151.html

 

[Vellinious]

Guys,
so much important stuff to argue about, other then this. A lot of injustices in the world today, this is petty. Agree to dis-agree.........

I didn't disagree with anyone. I merely presented facts.

Happy New Year

 

[Outback Bronze]

I don't think there would be enough alcohol in the antifreeze to warrant any issues with the plexi acrylic.

Anyways if it did cause stress fractures on my specific loop, how come there are none on the inside of the blocks? Isn't that where the contact is?

I've shown proof of 6 years of use with no stress fractures...

I will continue to use antifreeze as I have not found a product as good yet.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@lexluthermiester A lot of your points are good, however oil has a terrible thermal capacity compared to water. 1.67KJ/Kg vs 4.19KJ/Kg for water, so the oil would warm up more without actually absorbing as much heat. It'd be interesting to see how much difference there would be in practice though.
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-fluids-d_151.html

That not only depends on the formulation of the oil used(not all mineral oils are equal), but also how it's used and the thermal load applied. In the case of PC cooling, CPU's and GPU's can not physically over-saturate the oil with heat. Additionally, the heat is bled off through the radiator so quickly that it can never be a problem. So even though the Specific Heat of mineral oil is lower than water, it's ability to transfer heat is equal to or better. Given the heat being applied, it's a non-issue and the benefits far outweigh that point. For this reason, mineral oil is used as a thermal dissipation solution for sealed industrial electrical transformers. That and the fact that it, as mentioned previously, is non-electrically conductive and lasts a long time as it will not break down or go rancid.

I'm speaking from experience. Stopped using water as a liquid coolant years ago because mineral oil always seems to perform on par or better than any formulation of water tested. The benefit of not killing or corroding components in a given system should a leak happen can not be over stated, discounted or dismissed. For that reason alone, I will never go back to water based coolants. If you have the means, give it a try yourself.

I will continue to use antifreeze as I have not found a product as good yet.

Having tested antifreeze as a coolant for PC's, I offer confirmation that it is a top-tier water based coolant. There is a reason why it is used in automotive cooling. My testing showed that a 15%-85% coolant/water mix rendered the best results.
Edit; And I've never seen antifreeze do anything to damage properly formulated acrylic. Cheap crap acrylic? Maybe. But as a general rule, acrylics used for PC cooling are literally made with antifreeze in mind as every manufacturer knows that some people use it. The notion that antifreeze damages acrylic parts or coolant tubing is laughable.

 

[FireFox]

For as much as I love the idea of watercooling, I dont like the expense or the work involved with maintaining it. AIO's ftw!

Every 2 or 3 years to change the water is it that to much work for you?

is "Distilliert" a typo or what others call Distilled?

Maybe was my fault to write ( Distilliert ) it is a matter of habit

@Knoxx29
Have you considered Mineral Oil? Non-corrosive, won't damage acrylic, not to viscous to stress a pump, not to expensive, doesn't go rancid, won't develop bacterial or fungal growth and is MUCH better at heat transfer than any water formulated coolant. And best of all, it's non-conductive. So if you do get a leak, it won't short out or kill your system/components.

I have already answered you that question #32

I will continue using Innovatek Protect IP it is some kinda of premixed antifreeze, if i am not mistaken Ethelyne Glycol + Distilliert water, it can be cold down up to -50c and it can be used with temps up to a maximun of 200c.

Note: The most important part: it can be change every 3 Years.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I have already answered you that question #32

Oops. Forgot about that.

Jay over at Jayz2Cents has been using Primochill Vue for a while and seems very impressed by it. Might be worth a look.

EDIT; Here's the link to the website, https://www.primochill.com/collections/vue-unique-visual

 

[EarthDog]

Every 2 or 3 years to change the water is it that to much work for you?

or anually? It takes me an hour or so every year for a full loop breakdown and rebuild. I clean the fans/radiator of dust twice a year, but, if that needs to be done with a rad, it needs to be done with a heatsink too.

 

[lexluthermiester]

@Knoxx29
This guy also has some interesting perspectives.

The Vue seems to be an all around good coolant and looks amazing!

 

[FireFox]

Jay over at Jayz2Cents has been using Primochill Vue for a while and seems very impressed by it. Might be worth a look.

I dont like Coolants with colors added that is why i use PrimoChill PrimoFlex™ Advanced LRT™ Brilliant UV Blue

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Every 2 or 3 years to change the water is it that to much work for you?

For the amount of work it would take if the fluid changed colors, if there was corrosion, algae, etc and I had to buy new fittings/blocks/tubing, yes, that is too much work for me to do.

 

[EarthDog]

That's a paranoid worst case to look at it with, but, OK.

 

[FireFox]

For the amount of work it would take if the fluid changed colors, if there was corrosion, algae, etc

Never happened to me and don't tell me that i am lucky, if you choose the right coolant none of what you mentioned will happen

or anually?

Depends what Coolant you use, i changed mine a few weeks ago after 2 years and a few months and it was clean/clear like the one i added

 

[EarthDog]

The general rule of thumb is an annual cleaning. Longer lasting than that is gravy...annual is expected.

 

[Outback Bronze]

The general rule of thumb is an annual cleaning. Longer lasting than that is gravy...annual is expected.

Yeah I used to have to do that with distilled water + additive.... I don't have to do that anymore..

 

[EarthDog]

I dont "have to" do it either with distilled and biocide... i just do anyway to make sure.

If i use anything besides that... i sure as hell would check more often....

 

[FireFox]

The general rule of thumb is an annual cleaning. Longer lasting than that is gravy...annual is expected.

Annual but if it doesn't have to be changed and the manufacturer says that it can be done every 2 or 3 years it's pointlessto do it before

 

[Outback Bronze]

We could argue here until we are black and blue in the face, but ive found a method of water cooling my loop after a decade and i can tell you now i aint going back to distilled water.
Its what ever works for you...

 

[micropage7]

@Knoxx29
This guy also has some interesting perspectives.

The Vue seems to be an all around good coolant and looks amazing!

although they say its safe for long term i prefer clear liquid with colorful tubing

 

[FireFox]

We could argue here until we are black and blue in the face, but ive found a method of water cooling my loop after a decade and i can tell you now i aint going back to distilled water.
Its what ever works for you...

Sharing our own experiences, knowledge and opinions doesn't mean need to argue however for the next 2 or 3 years i am ok and just in case i decide to change my Machine's Case and Tubes maybe i could try a different coolant, i have never used Hard tubing before but i am tempted.

although they say its safe for long term i prefer clear liquid with colorful tubing

That's exactly what i am using.

 

[MrGenius]

...alcohol in the antifreeze...

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