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Apple MacBook Pro 2018 Appears to Have a Serious Design Flaw

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Growing up has little to do with it, its kinda seemingly in the human soul to hate on whatever is new, different and successful.
That said, Apple might do some things very well, but they are quite a crappy company as well.
But that crappyness might be the reason for their success.
nope, we're just amazed how people likes to get f*cked by a company which doesn't give a flying f. about it's customers.
I don't hate apple, apple is forcing innovation, others following by creating "better" hardware. apple is the artist of the computer world, asus, msi, hp, dell are the engineers.
 
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nope, we're just amazed how people likes to get f*cked by a company which doesn't give a flying f. about it's customers.
I don't hate apple, apple is forcing innovation, others following by creating "better" hardware. apple is the artist of the computer world, asus, msi, hp, dell are the engineers.
I mean, what do you base this on? quite consistently Apples products rise above what the competition puts out as a means to copy what Apple is doing, atleast thats what professional reviewers conclude time and time again.
And if others "like to get f*cked by a company" or maybe dont even see it as such, how does that impact anyone else? why do people feel the need to drop hate fueled comments every time anything is written about Apple, or Tesla, or Justin Bieber, etc etc etc etc? Its like people being against gay marriage or something.
 
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I mean, what do you base this on? quite consistently Apples products rise above what the competition puts out as a means to copy what Apple is doing, atleast thats what professional reviewers conclude time and time again.
And if others "like to get f*cked by a company" or maybe dont even see it as such, how does that impact anyone else? why do people feel the need to drop hate fueled comments every time anything is written about Apple, or Tesla, or Justin Bieber, etc etc etc etc? Its like people being against gay marriage or something.
Apple have started copying others more lately.
They never have bad products per se but the difference is smaller now.

This might as well be on AMD and not apple, wouldn't be the first time an gpu manufacturer is the cause (Nvidia!) on some of the products it's apple's fault.
Overall apple has higher death rate of the products because of design over function at all cost.
Some poeple like that, I am not one of them, OSX is pretty ok (have hackintosh on my rig too :) )
 
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There are other laptops with that profile with those same specs?
No, and there isn't even a MacBook Pro with those same specs considering how much it throttles.
 
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I mean, what do you base this on? quite consistently Apples products rise above what the competition puts out as a means to copy what Apple is doing, atleast thats what professional reviewers conclude time and time again.
And if others "like to get f*cked by a company" or maybe dont even see it as such, how does that impact anyone else? why do people feel the need to drop hate fueled comments every time anything is written about Apple, or Tesla, or Justin Bieber, etc etc etc etc? Its like people being against gay marriage or something.
We want people to read, search and commit to buying products with intelligence. Almost all intelligent beings tends to hate stupid ones.
Most of the ignorant people likes to get carried away by their idiom and they want to continue their life like they used to. Intelligent people can adapt and improve. Stupid can talk and criticize nothing more, youtube full of these people, one of the biggest tech/channels on youtube pewdiepie, ltt, gamersnexus instigate this instinct on homo sapiens.
 
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There are other laptops with that profile with those same specs?
DELL Precision 5530 @ $2,709 I didn't went deep in customizing the specs just the main components : Intel Core i9-8950HK + 32GB,DDR4-2666MHz Non-ECC + M.2 1TB NVMe PCIe SSD + Nvidia Quadro P2000 w/4GB GDDDR5

https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/pdr/precision-15-5530-laptop/xctop5530hwus?selectionState=eyJPQyI6InhjdG9wNTUzMGh3dXMiLCJNb2RzIjpbeyJJZCI6MywiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJHSk1TVDRLIn1dfSx7IklkIjo2LCJPcHRzIjpbeyJJZCI6IkcwU01ZNTkifV19LHsiSWQiOjgsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiR0s5SjE4TiJ9XX0seyJJZCI6MTEsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiR1dJOTg2WSJ9XX0seyJJZCI6MTQ2LCJPcHRzIjpbeyJJZCI6IkdDQldaVTIifV19LHsiSWQiOjE0OSwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJHNUdBSUM4In1dfSx7IklkIjo3NDksIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiRzhCWFdZSSJ9XX1dfQ==&cartItemId=



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https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/20MDCTO1WWENUS1/customize?guid=ca98f45c-0230-4b30-bbf0-aad903e96099&options_11=
 
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I mean, what do you base this on? quite consistently Apples products rise above what the competition puts out as a means to copy what Apple is doing, atleast thats what professional reviewers conclude time and time again.
And if others "like to get f*cked by a company" or maybe dont even see it as such, how does that impact anyone else? why do people feel the need to drop hate fueled comments every time anything is written about Apple, or Tesla, or Justin Bieber, etc etc etc etc? Its like people being against gay marriage or something.
If you mean rise above in purely how many flaws there are, sure
 

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https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/pdr/precision-15-5530-laptop/xctop5530hwus?selectionState=eyJPQyI6InhjdG9wNTUzMGh3dXMiLCJNb2RzIjpbeyJJZCI6MywiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJHSk1TVDRLIn1dfSx7IklkIjo2LCJPcHRzIjpbeyJJZCI6IkcwU01ZNTkifV19LHsiSWQiOjgsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiR0s5SjE4TiJ9XX0seyJJZCI6MTEsIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiR1dJOTg2WSJ9XX0seyJJZCI6MTQ2LCJPcHRzIjpbeyJJZCI6IkdDQldaVTIifV19LHsiSWQiOjE0OSwiT3B0cyI6W3siSWQiOiJHNUdBSUM4In1dfSx7IklkIjo3NDksIk9wdHMiOlt7IklkIjoiRzhCWFdZSSJ9XX1dfQ==&cartItemId=



ThinkPad P1 Mobile Workstation @ $2,904 with Intel® Xeon® E-2176M ( Not i9 but Comparable) (6 Core (2.70GHz, up to 4.40GHz)) + 32 GB DDR4 2666MHz ECC + 1TB PCIe-NVMe OPAL2.0 M.2 + Nvidia Quadro P2000 4GB

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/20MDCTO1WWENUS1/customize?guid=ca98f45c-0230-4b30-bbf0-aad903e96099&options_11=
Those laptops are as thick as my 2014 MBP.
 
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We want people to read, search and commit to buying products with intelligence. Almost all intelligent beings tends to hate stupid ones.
Most of the ignorant people likes to get carried away by their idiom and they want to continue their life like they used to. Intelligent people can adapt and improve. Stupid can talk and criticize nothing more, youtube full of these people, one of the biggest tech channels on youtube pewdiepie, ltt, gamersnexus instigate this instinct on homo sapiens.
I dont think its very intelligent to hate on the less intelligent....
Also cannot believe you called pewdiepie a "tech channel" and called it in the same sentence/breath as gamersnexus.
Lastly non of it answered anything I said
 

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Those laptops are as thick as my 2014 MBP.
Here's the thing, outside Apple nobody buys laptops by the mm or kg.
You're seriously telling me two similarly configured laptops priced over $1k apart aren't comparable because one of them is like 5mm thicker? Well, here's something for your thought: the thicker laptop will do better job cooling that CPU and actually give you better performance.
 

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Here's the thing, outside Apple nobody buys laptops by the mm or kg.
You're seriously telling me two similarly configured laptops priced over $1k apart aren't comparable because one of them is like 5mm thicker? Well, here's something for your thought: the thicker laptop will do better job cooling that CPU and actually give you better performance.
Quite a few people buy laptops based on size. Mainly people who travel and don't want a 14lb brick carried around with them.

A huge number of modern companies also fully engulf the applesphere of tech so using Apple products becomes basically expected and almost impossible to do without them.

Most people using these or even the ones you linked are doing a 4hr render of whatever. Having the added cooling capacity is wasted space for a large portion of the people actually purchasing these. My 4980HQ based MBP absolutely throttles. It also wipes the floor with anything in its class.

I don't care your opinion on Apple. The laptops are brilliant feats in engineering. Makes the MSI and Dell products look like they were designed by toddlers with crayons.
 
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I dont think its very intelligent to hate on the less intelligent....
Also cannot believe you called pewdiepie a "tech channel" and called it in the same sentence/breath as gamersnexus.
Lastly non of it answered anything I said
-intelligent hates the ignorant and they use them worldwide, you have to see the big picture.
-you missed the / between tech and channel.
-in the end it is all related to ignorance or knowledge, if you can't understand this I don't think you'll understand anything at all.
 

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You're one funny man is all I can say...
Ever taken apart the pair? MSI is the closest laptop in size and probably quality and you take it apart and it looks like a 2008 MBP design. Tons of terrible nonsense all over that gets brittle and fails.

The logic boards also seem to have 3-4 the lifespan an alienware of a similar gen. I can't tell you just how many Dell boards I replaced because the dumb things went bad.
 
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I mean, what do you base this on? quite consistently Apples products rise above what the competition puts out as a means to copy what Apple is doing, atleast thats what professional reviewers conclude time and time again.
And if others "like to get f*cked by a company" or maybe dont even see it as such, how does that impact anyone else? why do people feel the need to drop hate fueled comments every time anything is written about Apple, or Tesla, or Justin Bieber, etc etc etc etc? Its like people being against gay marriage or something.
That hasn't been the case for years, Steve jobs was still alive and cancer free when that was remotely true.
 
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I’ll tell you what, I’ve owned a lot of hardware over the years, and Apple has had a really good track record of durability for me. Maybe things have changed in recent years—especially on ultra-thin laptops, but every iOS device I’ve owned has worked well for years, and my desktop Macs ran just fine (had a perfectly functional 2009 cMP that I just sold last year). I always found Apple hardware to be quite well engineered to be honest. Compared to the many MS devices I’ve owned (Surfaces, Bands, Xbox, Lumia), the differences are night and day. I’ve RMAed more MS hardware than I can count. I won’t tell you Apple is perfect, but they have produced a lot of worry free devices for me.

That said, I do think Apple tried to stick too much hardware into too thin a chassis, so I’m not surprised that there are thermal or other issues. I do wonder about the GPU, too—are there even any other Vega 20 laptops on the market?
 

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It's not a design flaw, it's a driver/firmware/operating system bug which will likely get fixed pretty quick.
 

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Oh NO! An extra .3 inches thick! My POOR BACK! Wont somebody think of those without muscles!
Dude I barely wear clothes when I travel. Which is more often than probably a lot of people on here. Trust me 0.3" and half a pound for something with similar performance, but somehow worse battery life? Lol yea y'all keep hating apple products. I'm going to keep using my 2014 MBP which still maintains solid performance today. Something I cannot say about any thin and light windows machine.
 
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"TechPowerUp staff member Crmaris depended on this MacBook Pro to see him through the rigors of TechPowerUp's CES 2019 coverage, which includes image editing and video rendering on the move, which requires the serious CPU and GPU power on tap with this particular MacBook Pro variant."

Why would anyone knowingly do this to themselves when it's obvious there are more capable laptops on the market?
 
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"TechPowerUp staff member Crmaris depended on this MacBook Pro to see him through the rigors of TechPowerUp's CES 2019 coverage, which includes image editing and video rendering on the move, which requires the serious CPU and GPU power on tap with this particular MacBook Pro variant."

Why would anyone knowingly do this to themselves when it's obvious there are more capable laptops on the market?
The master has spoken.
 
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It's not a design flaw, it's a driver/firmware/operating system bug which will likely get fixed pretty quick.
Which is why they hastily traded out the device, you need X amount to root cause the issue.
As an engineer, when something fails... you want as many devices that reproduce as possible.

Years ago I made the mistake of trying to help track down fail state on drive carriers... they wanted 4 drive carriers with fail states...
Found 1 carrier in 2k drives... I made myself unavailable for future research sessions.
 
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Processor 1.2700x @4.2 2. i7 7700k @5. 3. i7 7700hq
Motherboard 1.aorus b450 elite 2. z270-a asus prime
Cooling 1.240mm AIO 2. 240mm AIO
Memory 1.hyperx preditor @3600 16gb 2.vengence 32gb @3000 3. 16gb hyperx @2400
Video Card(s) 1.MSI AERO 1080 8gb 2. sapphire nitro+ rx580 8gb @1450 3. gtx 1060 4gb
Storage 1.256gb M.2,500gb ssd, 2 3tb HDs 2. 256gb ssd, 2tb 3. 256 m.2. 1tb ssd
Display(s) 1.LG 50inch UHD , oculus rift VR headset with touch. 2 SONY bravia1080p flat pannel 3. 17 inch
Case 1. HAF XB evo, "the only case anyone would ever need" 2. loop
Power Supply 1.750 80+gold mod 2. thermaltake 600w rbg
Mouse some cheapo rbg thingy
Keyboard 1. dont have one use on screen 2. some old HP thingy 3. steelseries RBG
Software 1. win 10 enterpise 2. win10 pro 3, win10 home
Benchmark Scores 1.1950 cb 2. 1106 cb
the last good macbook pro was the 2012-14 the all alloy one with the i7 quad core since then thay have gone down hill and up in price. charl.
 
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"TechPowerUp staff member Crmaris depended on this MacBook Pro to see him through the rigors of TechPowerUp's CES 2019 coverage, which includes image editing and video rendering on the move, which requires the serious CPU and GPU power on tap with this particular MacBook Pro variant."

Why would anyone knowingly do this to themselves when it's obvious there are more capable laptops on the market?
if you are good at programming you can utilize the Nvidia's rendering capabilities to accelerate your video processing by 3x@4K, 10x@1080p. You don't need to use anything special, you just need a lot of space to save raw footage from premiere pro as AVI then compress it with ffmpeg to get the perfect result.
for image editing, you can always use opencv & python.
I have never needed anything more than core i5 & gtx1050 as a mobile workstation, my previous machine had i7&960M almost similar performance.
 
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