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18gs damn thats alot. i read once in a magazine my dad showed me of an example of buying $100 worth of stock in some large enterprize i think some airline or somthing and that $100 was turned into over 1million after a few decades.

Yeah but thats rare and assuming nothing happens to the company. I would have killed myself if I had that kind of investment in AA after 9/11. I do what I can to stay out of things that have to do with the safety of people. On the other hand Iv owned stock in a certain manufacture of firearms since the days of Clinton and since the start of these wars Iv been making a good chunk of change:rockout:
I love supply and demand!
 
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What will happen if Nvidia and Intel have a monopoly? Is there something that goverments can do about it?
 

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What will happen if Nvidia and Intel have a monopoly? Is there something that goverments can do about it?
Its damn near impossible to "prove" a monopoly. The only time was against Standard Oil back in the day. They couldnt even nail Microsoft just because of Linux, OSX and Unix. And what OS are you running ;)
 
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Its damn near impossible to "prove" a monopoly. The only time was against Standard Oil back in the day. They couldnt even nail Microsoft just because of Linux, OSX and Unix. And what OS are you running ;)

If you go to the shop and you only buy CPU's en GPU's from one company, than it's 100% clear that there's a monoply.
 

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If you go to the shop and you only buy CPU's en GPU's from one company, than it's 100% clear that there's a monoply.

Its not that simple. IBM still makes chips and so does Via (is that how you spell it?) and since the government doesn't classify the need for a computer as "necessity" like oil or food then I think we are pretty much screwed. :shadedshu
 
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If IBM would buy AMD, that would be great. IBM is great at making CPU's but for some reason they don't sell to the regular consumer.
 
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2. if they go out they could sell to IBM or Samsung who would offer me more money than i bought the stock for now most likely.

That will probably not happen as a takeover of AMD would be too costly and too risky. AMD is worth about $3 billion on the stock market but they also have a bit more than $5 billion in long term debt and IIRC another billion or so in short-term debt. An acquisition will likely cost more than $10 billion and all Samsung or IBM would get in return is an underperforming company that requires millions and millions of dollars to get back in the game.
 
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so now my odds are 1-1 hmmm. but AMD has been in this predicament before and worse back in 2002. theyll pull it off.
 
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Oh, the reports I'm getting from this thread...:shadedshu People, it's not that hard... Stay on topic or don't post. Capiche?

Now, I'm one of the lucky people that bought AMD stock right before Phenom was released. AMD stock has been running low for quite some time since then. Sometimes with the stock market you have to stay in it for the long haul.
 

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Oh, the reports I'm getting from this thread...:shadedshu People, it's not that hard... Stay on topic or don't post. Capiche?

Now, I'm one of the lucky people that bought AMD stock right before Phenom was released. AMD stock has been running low for quite some time since then. Sometimes with the stock market you have to stay in it for the long haul.

Who's been off topic? And why would anyone "report" this thread?
 
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Wish I had $ to buy buy buy.

And the market is retarded. 5 dollars a share is waaaaay undervalued, but you gotta look at the base word of marketing....and you get the picture. It's all BS, just like so called market analysts that couldn't find their asses if they had the share value of google coming out in turds.
 
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Its not that simple. IBM still makes chips and so does Via (is that how you spell it?) and since the government doesn't classify the need for a computer as "necessity" like oil or food then I think we are pretty much screwed. :shadedshu

Well, worse yet, oil and food is rigged, too... So you can tell we're screwed when it comes to anything. I would wager that you could pay politicians to kill their mothers due to their insatiable greed.
 
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this looking like spam to me since your myspace link is below your statement with your computer business link. Maybe it's just me but it sure appears that way.

no its not spam. i havnt logged on to that myspace in idk how long. fafa21 and i made that about over a year ago. if it makes you happy i will delete it from my sig.
 
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It's great, because I bought AMD a few days when they were $5.57, now they are well under $5.00. Awesome.

What are you complaining about? I bought at $20.
 
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My point is don't bother reporting posts that don't need to be reported.
 
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Let's wait for the new Deneb architecture from AMD and let's see what happens. If at least is a competitor to the Core architecture, it isn't bad at all, it's always better than the Phenom.
 
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See that's the problem...if you don't have the techology to command a premium in the marketplace, and you can only hold onto your market share by pricing close to cost, you're going to lose a crap load of money. And if you're doing that your stock is going to fall in the toilet.

People have always cheered AMD for offering price competitive processors. Yet their manufacturing processes, technology, and scale is far behind Intel so they are cost disadvantaged. If AMD is cost disadvantaged yet sells their processors cheaper, they are going to be out of business in a few years.

I hope you can follow what you are writing or understand what is coming from your mind. AMD is never inferior in tech. FYI AMD manufactured initial days procs for Intel. AMD innovated lots and lots of things in the proc world. A64 - what do you think, this idea was pulled out of your a..? Power saving features - who pioneered that? Full 1080P - who achieved that? Integrated memory controller was such a hit that Intel is forced to implement in their CPUs.

Bad things that AMD did was very f....g poor marketing, low incentives and failed to patent lot of its technologies (mainly 64 bit and integrated mem - AMD would have planted a bomb in Intel's a..).

Above all loads and loads of Bad mouth Intel farts floating in Tech stores. Those farts boasted that the Netburst was the best of best cpus and made the customers idiots. Tell me one sales guy who can exactly understand what your needs and give the right combination of power, functionality and savings? Hardly 1% sincere sales people out there. I myself got frustrated other day at Frys, when this high 50 year old guy is asking which PC would suit for general office use and internet browsing and this guy was selling him a Q6600 PC, ofcourse there is commisions, but that is the game, I do understand and it is sad.

It is just a bad phase for AMD (which is a smaller bold company challenging a giant now). It will come back very soon (IBM/Samsung or any other big player will help this company to stand on its own again).

Until then I will keep on buying only AMD CPUs.

I think its time to help AMD directly by buying their stocks. Should start a campaign for buying 10 shares each to 1 million people.
 

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I hope you can follow what you are writing or understand what is coming from your mind. AMD is never inferior in tech. FYI AMD manufactured initial days procs for Intel. AMD innovated lots and lots of things in the proc world. A64 - what do you think, this idea was pulled out of your a..? Power saving features - who pioneered that? Full 1080P - who achieved that? Integrated memory controller was such a hit that Intel is forced to implement in their CPUs.

Bad things that AMD did was very f....g poor marketing, low incentives and failed to patent lot of its technologies (mainly 64 bit and integrated mem - AMD would have planted a bomb in Intel's a..).

Above all loads and loads of Bad mouth Intel farts floating in Tech stores. Those farts boasted that the Netburst was the best of best cpus and made the customers idiots. Tell me one sales guy who can exactly understand what your needs and give the right combination of power, functionality and savings? Hardly 1% sincere sales people out there. I myself got frustrated other day at Frys, when this high 50 year old guy is asking which PC would suit for general office use and internet browsing and this guy was selling him a Q6600 PC, ofcourse there is commisions, but that is the game, I do understand and it is sad.

It is just a bad phase for AMD (which is a smaller bold company challenging a giant now). It will come back very soon (IBM/Samsung or any other big player will help this company to stand on its own again).

Until then I will keep on buying only AMD CPUs.

I think its time to help AMD directly by buying their stocks. Should start a campaign for buying 10 shares each to 1 million people.

OK AMD fan boy. Yes AMD processors are inferior right now. They cannot compete with the current generation of Intel quad cores on both a performance and cost basis. Early review of the next generation Deneb show that it's going to be inferior to Intel's Nehalem as well. So stop the fanboism.

And that is exactly why their stock sucks right now...
 
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I don't understand why AMD doesn't have a patent on 64bit and integrated memory controller. They did invent it, so what's up with that?

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I found on the www that Intel can use AMD technology and AMD can use Intel technology. They agreed to that in the 70's.
 

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OK AMD fan boy. Yes AMD processors are inferior right now. They cannot compete with the current generation of Intel quad cores on both a performance and cost basis. Early review of the next generation Deneb show that it's going to be inferior to Intel's Nehalem as well. So stop the fanboism.

And that is exactly why their stock sucks right now...

just because AMD is behind in price:performance does not make their CPUs technologically inferior

AMD got their start in the CPU market by reverse engineering Intel's CPUs ages ago and selling clones of that architecture - the clones were selling so well that Intel finally made AMD an official manufacturer of their CPUs.

AMD developed the 64bit technology . . . any Intel CPU that supports 64b technology didn't come from Intels R&D, that came from AMD.

AMD also developed the first dual-core CPU, and also pushed for having true multi-core processors instead of Intel's method of just stitching together multiple cores on a single die.

and let's not even get started on their tech advancements in other markets . . .
 
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OK AMD fan boy. Yes AMD processors are inferior right now. They cannot compete with the current generation of Intel quad cores on both a performance and cost basis. Early review of the next generation Deneb show that it's going to be inferior to Intel's Nehalem as well. So stop the fanboism.

And that is exactly why their stock sucks right now...

Can you tell difference between 100 and 105 fps in games? Can you tell by just starring at PC which CPU is powering it? Can you tell the difference between 4.5 sec and 4.8 sec in video compilation times?

Most of AMD's CPUs are competetive.

Yes I am fanboi, but I am sensible to understand my customer's need when I prepare PCs for them, not like you just blindly saying something.

2 weeks back I built a E6750 + asus based for my friend. He has many needs that PC needs to be satisfied and I recommended him that. If he had asked me to just build a media pc a X2 4800 based PC is more than enough.
 
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Someone needs to fish ATi out of AMD...


In terms of gaming use AMD loses out these days.

However general tasks, I've actually noticed the AMD platforms are just a little bit quicker. Well, thats K8 versus Core 2.... I don't know how Phenom would fare however.
 

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I hope you can follow what you are writing or understand what is coming from your mind. AMD is never inferior in tech.
When it comes to manufacturing tech, yes they most certainly are. Intel is almost always 1 process ahead of them. For instance, Intel has been manufacturing on 45nm for how many months now? AMD has yet to release a 45nm cpu. Keep going back and you'll see that AMD is consistently behind Intel in this area. Intel released 65nm back in the Presler/prescott days, a time AMD was still on 90nm. AMD did not release a 65nm CPU until Brisbane, ages and ages after Intel.

The larger processes AMD is using costs more to manufacture, because yields are lower. That is part of the reason they are losing their asses in the stock market. Their manufacturing tech is behind, making their margins much lower.

Someone needs to fish ATi out of AMD...


In terms of gaming use AMD loses out these days.

However general tasks, I've actually noticed the AMD platforms are just a little bit quicker. Well, thats K8 versus Core 2.... I don't know how Phenom would fare however.

K8 does not, in any way, perform better than Core2 in day to day use. If it did, you were comparing a really low end Core2, to a higher end AMD. IF anything, it's in gaming that you can't tell the difference. CPU makes little or no difference in 99% of modern games.
 
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