can someone explain to me why this exists when smart tv's are your only option for 4k anyway? so confused...

Selaya · Apr 15, 2021

New WiFi standard is easier to market than 1,000base ethernet ...

dirtyferret · Apr 15, 2021

Bill_Bright said:
100Mbps is more than enough. That can easily support two streams of UHD 4K with full surround sound with another 30+Mbps to spare.

two uncompressed streams, streaming services like Amazon Prime (Netflix also uses AWS) compress the hell out of stream so even a 4k movie is coming in between 3-8 Mbps. I don't think Hulu streaming at 1080p even breaks 2Mbps.

Bill_Bright · Apr 15, 2021

R-T-B said:
That's all well and dandy but it's still a dated standard and weird that the wifi link can outperform it, particularly if transfering media files to tv storage

Dated, maybe but weird? Nah!

How is that different from brand new, top of the line motherboards still coming with USB 2.0? Look at all the external drive enclosures that support USB 2.0 only.

Or brand new networkable printing devices coming with wifi only, no Ethernet?

Selaya is right - wifi is easier to market and that is largely due to users hating to deal with cables - not to mention the aesthetics of cables.

Don't misunderstand me, I get what you are saying. And for sure, if 100Mbps couldn't easily handle anything you threw at it, that would be a different ball game. But a 1Gbps network adapter in a smart TV is really just a waste of capability. And besides, if they put a 1Gbps adapter in there, you likely would have had to pay at least 100 more pennies for the TV!

P4-630 · Apr 15, 2021

TheLostSwede said:
Same, but I only get 5Mbps out of mine...

Weird thing was my plan is 150/15 , so the upload speed was a bit unusual and couldn't reproduce that on my PC haha...
That result on the TV was by wifi ac.

dirtyferret · Apr 15, 2021

R-T-B said:
That's all well and dandy but it's still a dated standard and weird that the wifi link can outperform it, particularly if transfering media files to tv storage

still better latency and less potential interference on hard wire even at 100Mbps

TheLostSwede · Apr 15, 2021

P4-630 said:
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Weird thing was my plan is 150/15 , so the upload speed was a bit unusual and couldn't reproduce that on my PC haha...
That result on the TV was by wifi ac.

What if you run the speed test built into the Netflix app, assuming you use Netflix.

P4-630 · Apr 15, 2021

TheLostSwede said:
What if you run the speed test built into the Netflix app, assuming you use Netflix.

Just checked, I don't have a speedtest in my (Dutch)Netflix app... :confused:

I'm using wired internet normally on my TV, download speed was around 9mbps or so, 4K Netflix , Primevideo and others always without hiccups once playing.

Splinterdog · Apr 15, 2021

Our speeds are very respectable, unlike my brother in the UK who somehow manages with 3Mbps

Night · Apr 15, 2021

For ads, you can block ad domains in your router. Youtube however cannot be helped easily, unless you have Android.

TheLostSwede · Apr 15, 2021

P4-630 said:
Just checked, I don't have a speedtest in my (Dutch)Netflix app...

I'm using wired internet normally on my TV, download speed was around 9mbps or so, 4K Netflix , Primevideo and others always without hiccups once playing.

Sure you do, go into help and networking, it's a bit hidden.

P4-630 · Apr 15, 2021

TheLostSwede said:
Sure you do, go into help and networking, it's a bit hidden.

R-T-B · Apr 15, 2021

dirtyferret said:
still better latency and less potential interference on hard wire even at 100Mbps

Funny you say that. A bit back, the set was having "red stripe" artifacts for some users and the temporary fix (before the firmware one) was to turn off the wifi.

P4-630 · Apr 15, 2021

@TheLostSwede ok found it:

Wired:

Since I got a Premium account 84 Mbps is more than enough, 25 Mbps for 4K.

TheLostSwede · Apr 16, 2021

P4-630 said:
@TheLostSwede ok found it:

Wired:
View attachment 196849

Since I got a Premium account 84 Mbps is more than enough, 25 Mbps for 4K.
View attachment 196858

That's still really good, as I said, our TV maxes out at around 5Mbps, but it's not always stable, so at times Netflix starts to buffer...

mtcn77 · Apr 16, 2021

U guys should really connect your pcs to tv via hifi. It is kinda good all around instead of the measly mobile compression artifacts(vp9) in your tv boxes.

AV1 is good and VVC is gooder still, but I bet nobody with a tv box cares enough to upgrade, so an htpc is your best bet.

TheLostSwede · Apr 16, 2021

mtcn77 said:
U guys should really connect your pcs to tv via hifi. It is kinda good all around instead of the measly mobile compression artifacts(vp9) in your tv boxes.

AV1 is good and VVC is gooder still, but I bet nobody with a tv box cares enough to upgrade, so an htpc is your best bet.

Yes, because I want to run a 30m active HDMI cable for $300 to the ground floor of the house...

mtcn77 · Apr 16, 2021

TheLostSwede said:
Yes, because I want to run a 30m active HDMI cable for $300 to the ground floor of the house...

Have you tried transmitting over wifi? I did it. It works.
PS: You'd do it over LAN in this case. Install Splashtop.

P4-630 · Apr 16, 2021

TheLostSwede said:
our TV maxes out at around 5Mbps

So you can get up to Full HD.

RJARRRPCGP · Apr 16, 2021

dirtyferret said:
can someone explain to me why this exists when smart tv's are your only option for 4k anyway?

For the same reason you have a Ryzen 5600x based PC and even though you can go to the town dump and get a Phenom II x6 based PC for free

I rather find a plasma that's still working well at a town dump or of course a CRT, LOL.

P4-630 · Apr 16, 2021

Splinterdog said:
Our speeds are very respectable, unlike my brother in the UK who somehow manages with 3Mbps
View attachment 196833 View attachment 196834

What is your speed with the netflix speedtest?

TheLostSwede · Apr 16, 2021

mtcn77 said:
Have you tried transmitting over wifi? I did it. It works.
PS: You'd do it over LAN in this case. Install Splashtop.

Eh? How does that connect my PC to my TV without using the built in "smarts"?

P4-630 said:
So you can get up to Full HD.

On a good day, yes. When the TV doesn't want to play along, it just buffers and you have to try multiple times before it starts streaming. Very annoying.

mtcn77 · Apr 16, 2021

TheLostSwede said:
Eh? How does that connect my PC to my TV without using the built in "smarts"?

You either install 'splashtop' on your smart tv, or the device receiving the routed video. Not so hard.
PS: a router, or modem with router function can send quite high bandwidths over cable without issues. Don't send over hdmi is the message. It is the amateur way.

TheLostSwede · Apr 16, 2021

P4-630 said:
So you can get up to Full HD.

mtcn77 said:
You either install 'splashtop' on your smart tv, or the device receiving the routed video. Not so hard.
PS: a router, or modem with router function can send quite high bandwidths over cable without issues. Don't send over hdmi is the message. It is the amateur way.

So how is that using your PC?

Splinterdog · Apr 16, 2021

P4-630 said:
What is your speed with the netflix speedtest?

The ones I posted.

mtcn77 · Apr 16, 2021

TheLostSwede said:
View attachment 196941

So how is that using your PC?

You are aware of MadVR, I presume. You should take it into consideration imo. It will never get outdated.

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can someone explain to me why this exists when smart tv's are your only option for 4k anyway? so confused...

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