Constant "EDP Other" under RING in ThrottleStop

[MishimaPizza]

so for me what ended up working was making the Prcohot offset 0 and locking it at 0, now my laptop works like a normal one(almost)

 

[Laer]

@unclewebb Hi, thanks for all the help. I changed thermal paste and my heat problems went away, Cpu temp didn't exceed 84°C during all tests. I changed the Speed shift settings and set core voltage offset to -187.5mV. My cinebench R20 score went up by around 200 points in each test and laptop seems stable with this undervolt.

I also think that unfortunately my laptop is locked to those 45W Power limit :/. I tried changing it to 50/55/60 but it still went back to 45W each time. I attach logs and current settings. Is there anything else I should do?

 

[unclewebb]

My cinebench R20 score went up by around 200 points

That is a significant performance boost. Best of all, it did not cost anything, except for the cost of some new thermal paste. Some people still see small improvements as the core offset is at -200 mV or -220 mV. Your can try that and watch your Cinebench scores for any improvement. Do some quick 1 and 2 thread TS Bench tests to make sure there are no errors. A setting of -187.5 mV might be good enough and not worth spending a pile of time trying to get perfect voltage settings.

Try checking the FIVR - Disable and Lock Turbo Power Limits feature. That can help some laptops get beyond the 45W barrier.

 

[fadedninna]

@unclewebb hello kind sir. can you help me aswell?

 

[unclewebb]

can you help me

Sure. Read this thread. The last two pages are a good place to start. You are not following any of the advice that has already been posted. After you get your voltages adjusted and the Diable and Lock feature checked, turn on the Log File option and go play a game. What problem needs to be fixed?

 

[fadedninna]

Sure. Read this thread. The last two pages are a good place to start. You are not following any of the advice that has already been posted. After you get your voltages adjusted and the Diable and Lock feature checked, turn on the Log File option and go play a game. What problem needs to be fixed?

here is my log file

 

[unclewebb]

@fadedninna - Have a look in the far right column of the log file. It frequently shows the word TEMP. That means your CPU is thermal throttling and slowing down. When this happens, the CPU is rapidly cycled from full speed to 800 MHz, back and forth hundreds of times per second. This can cause stuttering or poor performance when gaming.

The log file shows that this is happening when power consumption is between 30W and 35W. The 9750H has a 45W TDP rating so the cooling solution is supposed to be able to cool this CPU when running at 45W. A properly designed laptop does not need to use constant thermal throttling. Your cooling system is not meeting the challenge. It was either poorly designed and is inadequate or it was poorly installed. It might be a little of both. Many users start by replacing the thermal paste to see if they can improve this situation.

Until you fix the overheating problem, your 9750H will not be able to reach maximum performance. What laptop model do you have? Many of the major manufacturers have built laptops using this processor but have not included adequate cooling. Thermal throttling and constant sky high temperatures are the result.

 

[fadedninna]

@fadedninna - Have a look in the far right column of the log file. It frequently shows the word TEMP. That means your CPU is thermal throttling and slowing down. When this happens, the CPU is rapidly cycled from full speed to 800 MHz, back and forth hundreds of times per second. This can cause stuttering or poor performance when gaming.

The log file shows that this is happening when power consumption is between 30W and 35W. The 9750H has a 45W TDP rating so the cooling solution is supposed to be able to cool this CPU when running at 45W. A properly designed laptop does not need to use constant thermal throttling. Your cooling system is not meeting the challenge. It was either poorly designed and is inadequate or it was poorly installed. It might be a little of both. Many users start by replacing the thermal paste to see if they can improve this situation.

Until you fix the overheating problem, your 9750H will not be able to reach maximum performance. What laptop model do you have? Many of the major manufacturers have built laptops using this processor but have not included adequate cooling. Thermal throttling and constant sky high temperatures are the result.

https://www.monsternotebook.com.tr/tulpar/monster-tulpar-t5-v19-1/

that's my laptop

 

[unclewebb]

@fadedninna - Your laptop looks good but cooling is bad. Disassemble your laptop, clean it and try replacing the thermal paste.

 

[fadedninna]

@fadedninna - Your laptop looks good but cooling is bad. Disassemble your laptop, clean it and try replacing the thermal paste.

Manufacturer gives us life-time cleaning service. I will take it to them asap.

 

[unclewebb]

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  BAT_mW  TEMP    VID   POWER
2020-10-08  01:20:30  35.56   25.9  100.0       0   94   1.1143   27.2   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:31  32.76   18.5  100.0       0   94   1.1460   20.5   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:32  35.77   25.9  100.0       0   95   1.0537   29.0   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:33  35.77   25.4  100.0       0   95   1.0386   28.2   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:34  35.60   25.6  100.0       0   94   1.1119   27.7   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:35  36.14   25.8  100.0       0   98   1.1241   28.7   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:36  36.03   25.8  100.0       0   95   1.1084   28.8   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:37  36.14   25.9  100.0       0   96   1.2119   28.8   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:38  35.20   31.6  100.0       0   96   1.0549   29.9   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:39  35.50   29.5  100.0       0   95   1.1276   28.9   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:40  35.94   26.1  100.0       0   96   0.9835   29.0   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:41  35.82   25.9  100.0       0   95   1.1604   28.3   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:42  36.17   25.8  100.0       0   95   1.1000   28.8   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:43  36.81   26.5  100.0       0   96   1.1161   30.7   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:44  36.66   26.3  100.0       0   96   1.1110   32.9   TEMP
2020-10-08  01:20:45  36.12   16.6  100.0       0   95   1.1492   23.3   TEMP

C0% shows that CPU load is only about 25%. Your CPU is not overloaded.
Your computer is designed to start thermal throttling when it reaches 95°C.
When you see the word TEMP in the far right column, that shows your CPU is constantly thermal throttling.
POWER column shows power consumption is less than 30W.

Show that to the manufacturer if they do not understand that this is a problem. A CPU with a 45W TDP rating should not be thermal throttling when it is only running at 30W.

If they cannot fix your problem, learn how to apply thermal paste. It is not hard to do. You may have to do this a few times until you learn. A thicker thermal paste like Noctua NT-H2 works well on laptop CPUs. Some thermal paste that is good for desktop computers does not last very long when used on a laptop computer. It is your laptop. Best to learn how to do this procedure yourself.

 

[fadedninna]

@unclewebb I cleaned my laptop by myself but didn't change thermal paste now i'll do a test again and send you log file

 

[unclewebb]

When you see PROCHOT 95°C in red, that means your CPU is running hot and it is still thermal throttling.

 

[fadedninna]

When you see PROCHOT 95°C in red, that means your CPU is running hot and it is still thermal throttling.

View attachment 171250

here is the log file check it out

When you see PROCHOT 95°C in red, that means your CPU is running hot and it is still thermal throttling.

View attachment 171250

this screenshot was before undervolt and windows update doing something so i didn't care

I also added throttlestop settings

 

[unclewebb]

The log file shows lots and lots of EDP throttling. Your CPU is running slow.

Check to see what the PP0 Current Limit is set to and check the FIVR IccMax.
Something is not right.

Edit - Why did you set the PP0 Current Limit to 60? You used to have this set to 150.
Setting this to 60 is causing EDP throttling.

Do you remember changing this or do you have some other software on your computer changing this?

 

[fadedninna]

The log file shows lots and lots of EDP throttling. Your CPU is running slow.

Check to see what the PP0 Current Limit is set to and check the FIVR IccMax.
Something is not right.

Edit - Why did you set the PP0 Current Limit to 60? You used to have this set to 150.
Setting this to 60 is causing EDP throttling.

I didn't change it actually, this tpl settings are original I just checked speedshift

 

[unclewebb]

I didn't change it

Change PP0 Current Limit back to 150. That was working good before.

Changing the Turbo Boost Long from 45W to 60W is a good idea but you do not want to change PP0 Current to 60. Might have made a mistake by accident.

 

[fadedninna]

Change PP0 Current Limit back to 150. That was working good before.

I think 150 a little bit much.

 

[unclewebb]

The turbo boost long power is set to 45W. That is why your CPU is throttling in Screenshot_7. Try increasing that power limit.

90W for turbo boost short power is good for performance but that is too high for your heatsink. Fix the thermal paste or lower the 90W short power limit or reduce the turbo time limit so it does not spend as much time at 90W. Default is 28 seconds. Setting this to 56 seconds is too much for your cooling. Maybe 8 seconds is OK.

 

[fadedninna]

The turbo boost long power is set to 45W. That is why your CPU is throttling in Screenshot_7. Try increasing that power limit.

90W for turbo boost short power is good for performance but that is too high for your heatsink. Fix the thermal paste or lower the 90W short power limit or reduce the turbo time limit so it does not spend as much time at 90W. Default is 28 seconds. Setting this to 56 seconds is too much for your cooling. Maybe 8 seconds is OK.

how many watts should i set?

 

[Kabzon]

Greetings uncle

I am f*cking with my laptop for almost a year now. I am at all no means pro in undervolting and over\underclocking, but have tried all guides I have seen

So basically, I have asus rog strix scar ii gl504gv with i7-8750h and rtx 2060. In recent month I finally managed to drop temperatures from 94-97 to somewhat reasonable 80-85. but there is are still a lot of things bugging me as performance and what throttlestop shows me (1st screenshot). Would you mind telling me how and what to do?

Those 80-85 I was talking about were achieved when ALL of my cores were 37 clock and CPU could've drawn only max of 37W. Now I am reading this thread + some others and applied these new settings, but don't see much of a difference as of now

 

[unclewebb]

somewhat reasonable 80-85

Intel says the maximum safe temperature for an 8750H is 100°C. When you limit it to 80°C, you will be sacrificing performance for reduced temperatures. It will not make your CPU live a longer life. Any temperatures under 100°C are equally safe for long term use. If this was not safe, Intel would have lowered the thermal throttling temperature years ago.

Intel® Core™ i7-8750H Processor (9M Cache, up to 4.10 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Core™ i7-8750H Processor (9M Cache, up to 4.10 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

No need to slow your CPU down or set a 37W power limit which is below the 45W TDP rating. Instead of reducing your CPU performance, why not take it apart, replace the thermal paste and try to fix the cooling problem. The Asus website shows that these laptops have great cooling. Is it a lie?

Do some testing with Cinebench R20. Many 8750H owners get better performance or temperatures by leaving the cache at -125 mV while reducing the core offset to -200 mV. These two voltages do not have to be set equal to each other. Cinebench R20 is the best way to test this theory.

 

[Kabzon]

Intel says the maximum safe temperature for an 8750H is 100°C. When you limit it to 80°C, you will be sacrificing performance for reduced temperatures. It will not make your CPU live a longer life. Any temperatures under 100°C are equally safe for long term use. If this was not safe, Intel would have lowered the thermal throttling temperature years ago.

Intel® Core™ i7-8750H Processor (9M Cache, up to 4.10 GHz) Product Specifications

Intel® Core™ i7-8750H Processor (9M Cache, up to 4.10 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

No need to slow your CPU down or set a 37W power limit which is below the 45W TDP rating. Instead of reducing your CPU performance, why not take it apart, replace the thermal paste and try to fix the cooling problem. The Asus website shows that these laptops have great cooling. Is it a lie?

Do some testing with Cinebench R20. Many 8750H owners get better performance or temperatures by leaving the cache at -125 mV while reducing the core offset to -200 mV. These two voltages do not have to be set equal to each other. Cinebench R20 is the best way to test this theory.

Yeah I know that 80-85 is way more than safe, it's fine. What boggles me is performance being so shit. I tried -200 mV before your suggestion and it would just crash\bsod on me so max only -110 both on cache and core (I guess got unlucky with the chip, as usual). I also have additional cooling under the laptop. I might take it apart later and apply new paste, but what I was more concerned if you can tell me which clocks should I set with what power? U think 45 will do good? And also what and which ICC should I set because I have absolutely no clue what it is. Basically I suck in this kind of stuff and tired af of trying over and over again

 

[AOne]

-95mV is too much for my Cache, so I use -85 for Cache and -185 for Core. You didn't draw the short stick, don't worry. My CB20 scores are anyway higher than 3150. ASUS have really good and capable of dissipating heat cooling solutions (I'm with G731GW). Their only problem is bad quality factory applied TIM (paste/LM) or application method. Just repaste as UncleWeb said (by yourself not in RMA).

 

[Kabzon]

-95mV is too much for my Cache, so I use -85 for Cache and -185 for Core. You didn't draw the short stick, don't worry. My CB20 scores are anyway higher than 3150. ASUS have really good and capable of dissipating heat cooling solutions (I'm with G731GW). Their only problem is bad quality factory applied TIM (paste/LM) or application method. Just repaste as UncleWeb said (by yourself not in RMA).

Ok, I will definitely try that. Thanks!