CPU NOT SUPPORTED

[biffzinker]

You need an upgrade period. That part is ranked like an Atom

The Atom CPU has improved significantly over what it started out as but even the recent Goldmont (Pentium N4200) spin is still under powered compared to a Core i3-6100U.


http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-N4200-vs-Intel-Core-i3-6100U

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldmont#Mobile_processors_.28Apollo_Lake.29

 

[Toothless]

"cpu not supported for gaming"

 

[Frick]

its not a tablet its a laptop and i cant run most games smoothly that i play which is why i want to get my GHz higher

I hope you didn't pay much for it.

 

[wahaab]

I hope you didn't pay much for it.

£280

 

[Gorbush]

If you want to help with development, run my RegReport program and attach that file here or copy and paste the info to www.pastebin.com

I would love to help. I'm sorry I can't send you any device .

For changing TDP limit MSR 0x610 is responsible. I can do this with RW_everything tool but it is rather inconvenient. And most people cannot do that.

Please read this.

There is also good article about benefits of changing this TDP limit on Apollo Lake SoC.

 

[unclewebb]

I will try to add Apollo Lake SoC support by the end of the month. Can you send me a private message? I will start working on this next week if you are interested in helping. I need someone that is willing to do some testing for me.

 

[Gorbush]

I'm willing to help. Thank you.

 

[Gorbush]

Adding MSR report generated without applying any modification to MSR reg 0x610 by myself.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

You can always play old games. I'm still playing Doom 2. Haven't found a better FPS yet.

Then I guess you really havent looked. Or ? I dunno. Much better games than Doom 2 out there.

Regardess, @OP, everyone has already said it a thousand times and it really doesnt need repeating again after this post. CPU is a low power draw. It is not meant to really do anything but surf the internet and maybe light office work. Overclocking the CPU will not save you. Games mostly depend on the GPU with a little bit of CPU mixed in for good measure. If you dont have the GPU to play the games, it's going to run like shit. Period. No amount of overclocking or unlocking anything is going to fix that. If you want to game on a laptop, go buy a laptop that is capable of doing so. But expect to drop a few grand.

 

[Gorbush]

CPU is a low power draw.

CrAsH with all due respect. That isn't whole truth. Four Goldmont cores clocked at 2.1GHz alone can easily consume 4W. Saturated with 100% core load they will settle at 1.6-1.8GHz with 6W TDP SoC without GPU being used actively. Do not forget than in SoC you also have uncore and GPU which even idling consumes about 2W. Finally 9th gen Intel GPU at 700MHz use sometimes more than 6W.

Many game engines calculate AI and physics with constant speed to achieve 30 or 60fps and even dropped GPU frames don't change that. That generates almost constant load on CPU. When you have 6W SoC power limit then GPU will be mostly under clocked (400-500MHz). For this generation SoC 10W TDP is optimal.

Proof:
https://techtablets.com/2017/08/increase-apollo-lake-tdp-boost-intel-hd-graphics-performance-80/

 

[unclewebb]

Intel chips have a power limit that is shared between the Intel CPU and Intel GPU. A limit of 6 Watts doesn't go very far. 10 Watts doesn't sound like much but a 70% increase will allow the CPU and GPU to run indefinitely at close to their full rated speed without any throttling. As long as cooling is adequate, this can make a huge difference in performance and usability for these low power devices. Gorbush is already using RW Everything to increase the package power limit up to 10 Watts so he knows first hand the significant difference that this makes.

He is not expecting this tweak to turn his low power device into a $3000 gaming laptop. He just wants an easier way to go up to 10 Watts. RW Everything is a powerful program but using it to edit CPU registers is not exactly user friendly.

Now that I have been provided with a MSR register dump, it will be easy to add Apollo Lake support to RealTemp and ThrottleStop. Thanks.

 

[Gorbush]

Just tested ThrottleStop 8.50 on Apollo Lake platform - N3450 (Goldmont cores).

I need it mostly for TDP limit settings with hotkeys. I'm a little sad that I can't do undervolting but I was expecting that from this SoC.

Thank you unclewebb.

Screens:


Note:
FID and CPU clock are 1/11th of actual value.

 

[chupa]

To have the 20 second burst limit extended makes all the difference on an Apollo Lake 3450.
I just try to figure out how to get the best thermal setting in a plastic case Jumper 3s.
I extended the coolingsurface over the whole bottom with a 1mm thick tin piece. Now when the processor runs hot there is not a small area what heats the thigh but a whole bottom what does not reaches over 33 degrees Celsius.
This Apollo lake replaces an aging I3 370M and whith the thermal mod and TS 850 it outperforems the I3 by around 10%.
The test was done in Handbrake re-encoding a 1080p file.

Here is a screenshot from a one hour re-encodig of a 18 minute 1080p file. It took a bit over one hour with sturdy 7fps, 7.8W CPU power. This was one as a background job while surfing and image viewing and other tasks where done simultan.
The nice thing, no speeding up fan, no heat, no noise, no hot lap - AND the whole thing was done on battery power

Thank you for a nice piece of work.

 

[Gorbush]

Nicely done. N3450 is quite fast. It is good to hear that it can beat 35W TDP CPU. Even if that is from seven years ago.

With FireFox Quantum it is comfortable machine for Internet browsing and watching video. But it needs at least 10W TDP to do so without throttling.

 

[chupa]

I just like to figure out how to set the throttle temps higher. There are so many settings in the BIOS, but I have no Idea what they are doing.
If someone is interested, here is a link to my modification log:
https://techtablets.com/forum/topic...ints-how-to-get-the-most-out-of-your-jumpers/

 

[chupa]

A simple how to get 15w tdp out of a N3450






1. get ThrottleStop
2. put it somewhere and run it (I have it in my portable folder with all my essential programs like waterfox, firefox, thunderbird, Ccleaner and a bunch more
3. check the pictures above and copy my settings
4. get the temp and cpu speed out of the hidden icons and drag n drop them in the taskbar
your N3450 will run cool as normal but will have max power for hours or until the overheating protection kicks in.
The speed readout is a bit faulty 90 can be 900 or 1900, but the temp will clarify that for you.
"Apollo Lake CPU speed is not working correctly in ThrottleStop 850. There was a big hurry to release this version before it was properly tested. The next release might be better."
I am now with GTA V on 1280x720 playable in full screen with all the little tweaks in place.