Crysis 2 will be initially released as a DX9 Title?

char[] rager · Mar 2, 2011

My Plan
Buy and play Battlefield 3. When Crytek decides to give us PC gamers a DirectX 11 version of their game as well as a native x64 version of their game, then I will wait out for people to review the game. If it is good, then I will definitely purchase it.

newtekie1 · Mar 2, 2011

Who cares, you likely won't be able to tell the difference between DX11 and DX9 unless you pause the game and move to an inch away from the monitor.

Mussels said:
because the whole point of DX10 and 11 was better graphics at the same performance. with this stupid patch mentality, we get very slightly better graphics at massive performance hits.

No one picked up on this?

The point of DX10 and DX11 was not better graphics at the same performance. It was better graphics, period. If that came with the expense of performance, and it does, then so be it.

ctrain · Mar 2, 2011

a massive point of DX10/11 was improved performance. amd / nvidia / ms said that naive ports just for the sake of having it will NOT perform better.

as long as games continue to have it tacked on as an afterthought it's not going to deliver.

crytek markets their engine as the supreme next gen solution but here they are still sitting in the past. DICE did the intelligent thing and dumped all the legacy shit. an example would be the deferred lighting method they are using (all via compute shader) is supposedly the fastest way on modern hardware. there is no support for this in dx9.

Bundy · Mar 2, 2011

newtekie1 said:
Who cares, you likely won't be able to tell the difference between DX11 and DX9 unless you pause the game and move to an inch away from the monitor.

No one picked up on this?

The point of DX10 and DX11 was not better graphics at the same performance. It was better graphics, period. If that came with the expense of performance, and it does, then so be it.

I quoted it - the point is that no matter how logical our reasoning may be, the reality is that the game developers have not supported it. We are in marketing la la land.

TheoneandonlyMrK · Mar 2, 2011

newtekie1 said:
The point of DX10 and DX11 was not better graphics at the same performance. It was better graphics, period. If that came with the expense of performance, and it does, then so be it.

indeed and if it taketh 2 -3 or 4 gfx cards some of us would still be maxin this effin game, im well pissed i skipped the leak to wait for dx11 and i am not fond of playing a game 1player style 1st time at anything less then max if poss, i wont be amused if they patch it just after i complete the mofo.

a_ump · Mar 3, 2011

meh, fuck dx10 and 11. Microsoft is a fucking joke, as are game developers. DX11 is supposed to be easier to code in, always backwards capability to dx9.....WTF IS THE DAM DEV'S FUCKING ISSUES!!!!!!

Seriously, if i were microsoft, i'd cut dx9 and 10 off. I mean, idk if its possible, but if it is, they literally need to fucking kill that shit. Either that or stop tryin to claim we're advancing when our inability to exercise new knowledge and technologies is so prevalant. What is stopping microsoft from doing so? I could be wrong, but the way i look at it, microsoft is PC gaming right now. They make a drastic change, it'd def have an affect.

Course, i also feel they should quit all this dx9-10-11 bullshit. They shouldn't have even said dx10/11, should been dx9.0b, 9.0c,9.1c(DX10), 9.2c(dx11). Because from what i've seen implemented from 10 and 11.....i seriously doubt it couldn't be done in dx9. Companies should almost be sued for false marketing when stating games are dx10 or 11, and they're actually dx9 w dx10/11 add-ons.

Mussels · Mar 3, 2011

newtekie1 said:
Who cares, you likely won't be able to tell the difference between DX11 and DX9 unless you pause the game and move to an inch away from the monitor.

No one picked up on this?

The point of DX10 and DX11 was not better graphics at the same performance. It was better graphics, period. If that came with the expense of performance, and it does, then so be it.

ctrain said:
a massive point of DX10/11 was improved performance. amd / nvidia / ms said that naive ports just for the sake of having it will NOT perform better.

as long as games continue to have it tacked on as an afterthought it's not going to deliver.

crytek markets their engine as the supreme next gen solution but here they are still sitting in the past. DICE did the intelligent thing and dumped all the legacy shit. an example would be the deferred lighting method they are using (all via compute shader) is supposedly the fastest way on modern hardware. there is no support for this in dx9.

DX10 stopped duplicating video ram into system memory, which was supposed to speed things up. game deves took that as "WOW LETS RAMP SHIT UP TO 9000!" making it slower instead.

DX11 was the same - tesselation was meant to improve performance, so they turned it to eleventy instead, causing a performance hit.

newtekie1 · Mar 3, 2011

Mussels said:
DX10 stopped duplicating video ram into system memory, which was supposed to speed things up. game deves took that as "WOW LETS RAMP SHIT UP TO 9000!" making it slower instead.

DX11 was the same - tesselation was meant to improve performance, so they turned it to eleventy instead, causing a performance hit.

That argument works if you said "the point of DX10 and DX11 was the same graphics with better performance". However, the point of DX10 and DX11 was to give developers extra tools to use, really there would be little point to implement DX10/11 features and not make the game look better at the cost of performance. There is no point to improve performance with DX10/11 when the current cards on the market just absolutely smoked DX9 already.

Mussels · Mar 3, 2011

newtekie1 said:
That argument works if you said "the point of DX10 and DX11 was the same graphics with better performance". However, the point of DX10 and DX11 was to give developers extra tools to use, really there would be little point to implement DX10/11 features and not make the game look better at the cost of performance. There is no point to improve performance with DX10/11 when the current cards on the market just absolutely smoked DX9 already.

games running better on cheaper DX11 hardware means more people can play their game, giving them a greater customer base?

that always seemed logical to me.

MatTheCat · Mar 3, 2011

cdawall said:
i will miss them who will put out good titles like farcry, crysis etc ?

Well Crysis 2 doesn't seem to be a good title like FarCry or Crysis.

It seems like CoD in armoured/invisible costume to me.

No better no worse.

cdawall · Mar 3, 2011

MatTheCat said:
Well Crysis 2 doesn't seem to be a good title like FarCry or Crysis.

It seems like CoD in armoured/invisible costume to me.

No better no worse.

i didn't mention crysis 2 and if multiplayer is worth a damn i will be happy with it over crysis and warhead

newtekie1 · Mar 3, 2011

Mussels said:
games running better on cheaper DX11 hardware means more people can play their game, giving them a greater customer base?

that always seemed logical to me.

Except it doesn't give them a greater customer base because there isn't a game out that can't run on an inexpensive 9600GT or 9600GSO. The only people your idealolgy benefits is the idiots that go "OMFG, DX11, I gotta have it!" and then go out and buy a DX11 card that can't handle any amount of DX11 features, but the games will still play pretty well in DX9 though...

Mr McC · Mar 3, 2011

newtekie1 said:
Except it doesn't give them a greater customer base because there isn't a game out that can't run on an inexpensive 9600GT or 9600GSO. The only people your idealolgy benefits is the idiots that go "OMFG, DX11, I gotta have it!" and then go out and buy a DX11 card that can't handle any amount of DX11 features, but the games will still play pretty well in DX9 though...

Without trying to defend my own idiocy, when I puchase a card, a range of factors come into play, primarily perfomance, cost and the ratio between the two, but never ideology.

ctrain · Mar 3, 2011

newtekie1 said:
Except it doesn't give them a greater customer base because there isn't a game out that can't run on an inexpensive 9600GT or 9600GSO. The only people your idealolgy benefits is the idiots that go "OMFG, DX11, I gotta have it!" and then go out and buy a DX11 card that can't handle any amount of DX11 features, but the games will still play pretty well in DX9 though...

the API does more than just help on the GPU side fyi, there's tons of optimizations on the CPU side in DX10+. DX9 draw calls were massively expensive and were a major bottleneck. they are much cheaper now and in dx11 there's a nice interface for threading it ontop of that.

why would you honestly argue against better utilizing your hardware?

alexsubri · Mar 3, 2011

newtekie1 · Mar 3, 2011

ctrain said:
the API does more than just help on the GPU side fyi, there's tons of optimizations on the CPU side in DX10+. DX9 draw calls were massively expensive and were a major bottleneck. they are much cheaper now and in dx11 there's a nice interface for threading it ontop of that.

why would you honestly argue against better utilizing your hardware?

I'm not, I'm just arguing that it wasn't the main point behind DX10/11 and that it wasn't necessary.

MxPhenom 216 · Mar 3, 2011

MatTheCat said:
Well Crysis 2 doesn't seem to be a good title like FarCry or Crysis.

It seems like CoD in armoured/invisible costume to me.

No better no worse.

to bad Far Cry 2 was the biggest joke of a game i have ever played. The graphics for crysis 2 might not be as good as Crysis 1, but the story is a hell of a lot better!

MxPhenom 216 · Mar 3, 2011

Bundy said:
Given that Crytek did not release a DX11 game (nor will Dice for BF3), does that mean we have all fallen for the 'early adopter' fail? i.e. bought shit that can't be used?

actually im 90% sure that BF3 will be DX11. why would they put some DX11 aspects into BC2 and then do nothing to BF3 when they have even stated that BF3 will not be a port, however they said in an article that they will work and finish the version for the PC FIRST and then focus on the consoles

Aceman.au · Mar 3, 2011

Maximum... Profit loss

Btw I hope they have better crossfire support than Crysis 1

Mussels · Mar 3, 2011

Bundy said:
Given that Crytek did not release a DX11 game (nor will Dice for BF3), does that mean we have all fallen for the 'early adopter' fail? i.e. bought shit that can't be used?

maybe i'm wrong, but last i heard i thought BC3 was dropping DX9 and becoming a DX11/10 only game.

edit: nope i was right.

http://bf3blog.com/2010/12/battlfield-3-wont-support-windows-xp/

Aceman.au · Mar 3, 2011

Mussels said:
maybe i'm wrong, but last i heard i thought BC3 was dropping DX9 and becoming a DX11/10 only game.

edit: nope i was right.

http://bf3blog.com/2010/12/battlfield-3-wont-support-windows-xp/

And so begins phasing out games on Windows XP

Mussels · Mar 3, 2011

l33tGaMeR said:
And so begins phasing out games on Windows XP

and directX 9 games. therefore, DX11 exclusives shall start appearing and we'll move onto a new era of games that dont suck.

Aceman.au · Mar 3, 2011

Mussels said:
and directX 9 games. therefore, DX11 exclusives shall start appearing and we'll move onto a new era of games that dont suck.

Ha DX9 wasn't that bad.

Mussels · Mar 3, 2011

l33tGaMeR said:
Ha DX9 wasn't that bad.

neither was DX8.1, 8.0, 7.0, or whatever came before that. in their times.

Aceman.au · Mar 3, 2011

Just sounded like you were saying it was a bad version of DX

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