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Well, you know what they say - it's hard to pinpoint a bug, when you have a colony...
System Name | Good enough |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen R9 7900 - Alphacool Eisblock XPX Aurora Edge |
Motherboard | ASRock B650 Pro RS |
Cooling | 2x 360mm NexXxoS ST30 X-Flow, 1x 360mm NexXxoS ST30, 1x 240mm NexXxoS ST30 |
Memory | 32GB - FURY Beast RGB 5600 Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire RX 7900 XT - Alphacool Eisblock Aurora |
Storage | 1x Kingston KC3000 1TB 1x Kingston A2000 1TB, 1x Samsung 850 EVO 250GB , 1x Samsung 860 EVO 500GB |
Display(s) | LG UltraGear 32GN650-B + 4K Samsung TV |
Case | Phanteks NV7 |
Power Supply | GPS-750C |
Nvidia: bugs numbered and description is precise and narrowed down to specifics.
System Name | Purple rain |
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Processor | 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v |
Motherboard | Zee 490 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Noctua D15S |
Memory | 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG |
Case | P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans |
Audio Device(s) | K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless |
Power Supply | Superflower Leadex Gold 850W |
Mouse | G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | A LOT |
While doing stuff to put it in amds termsReally... what stands out to me in the above lists is a difference in documentation and administration more than anything.
Nvidia: bugs numbered and description is precise and narrowed down to specifics.
AMD: "bad stuff may happen while doing XYZ". And that includes standard activity like a simple alt tab (?!?!?!)...
They need an exterminatorWell, you know what they say - it's hard to pinpoint a bug, when you have a colony...
Must be your ryzen Im getting better gpu utilization,higher fps and no stutter with hagsOr so it seems, like I wrote above Detroit Become Human doesn't just crash for me, it crashes the entire system (probably just the driver but I have to restart the PC anyway). And all games stutter when using GPU hardware scheduling. None of those things are written in there, so it's not precises at all.
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
AMD has it all internally in JIRA but JIRA doesn't output a plain English interpretation of tickets; ergo, AMD's list is the result of a manager or engineer looking through the list and summarizing some of the highlights. It is never exhaustive; issues are fixed that are never listed and not all known issues are listed as well, just more prolific ones that they intend to fix.Really... what stands out to me in the above lists is a difference in documentation and administration more than anything.
Nvidia: bugs numbered and description is precise and narrowed down to specifics.
AMD: "bad stuff may happen while doing XYZ". And that includes standard activity like a simple alt tab (?!?!?!)...
Well, if they would ACK that this is a hardware issue, guess what it would happen. Refunds of millions of dollars.Since this is acknowledged in the drivers release notes, it would indicate AMD thinks it's a driver issue.
System Name | Purple rain |
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Processor | 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v |
Motherboard | Zee 490 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Noctua D15S |
Memory | 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG |
Case | P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans |
Audio Device(s) | K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless |
Power Supply | Superflower Leadex Gold 850W |
Mouse | G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | A LOT |
Yeah this would be a massive recallWell, if they would ACK that this is a hardware issue, guess what it would happen. Refunds of millions of dollars.
I tend to believe this is not a hardware bug, since the same cards are working fine on Linux and Mac OS, BUT those OSes are much more simple in terms of GPU usages so the scenario far less random to trigger the issues that people see.
In any case, I think there should be a law which states that if more than 5-10% of the products are bad, then the manufacturer should be forbidden to sell it and get back to the drawing board.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 9 5900X ||| Intel Core i7-3930K |
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Motherboard | ASUS ProArt B550-CREATOR ||| Asus P9X79 WS |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U14S ||| Be Quiet Pure Rock |
Memory | Crucial 2 x 16 GB 3200 MHz ||| Corsair 8 x 8 GB 1333 MHz |
Video Card(s) | MSI GTX 1060 3GB ||| MSI GTX 680 4GB |
Storage | Samsung 970 PRO 512 GB + 1 TB ||| Intel 545s 512 GB + 256 GB |
Display(s) | Asus ROG Swift PG278QR 27" ||| Eizo EV2416W 24" |
Case | Fractal Design Define 7 XL x 2 |
Audio Device(s) | Cambridge Audio DacMagic Plus |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus PX-850 x 2 |
Mouse | Razer Abyssus |
Keyboard | CM Storm QuickFire XT |
Software | Ubuntu |
A very key difference, but the difference in a controlled software environment is much more important than the hardware config. A PC user runs all kinds of applications in the background, including a web browser, which does a lot of requests to the graphics driver all the time. A graphics driver needs to be able to handle all kinds of "misbehavior" from these tasks without affecting stability. Graphics developers experiences how much such "misbehavior" the drivers can handle, and there is a large difference between AMD and Nvidia in this regard, which ultimately is what end users experiences as more stable drivers, although hard to prove scientifically.people are bringing up consoles, i don't think this has much to do with them. since the systems run their own os and companies are developing games for those consoles and testing them, its much easier to fix issues because the hardware is static (doesn't change). in a pc, all of the components are different and interchangeable, the os, and the 3d api's (dx12, vulcan). your running background software of varying quality that could affect the drivers running the cards.
Such decisions are usually done by non-technical people, and they have to answer to their superiors if they postpone a launch.i don't think companies will release a driver if they know it is not stable, this goes for nvidia as well.
New Tech will always have issues, that is the nature of new tech.
Yeah, but when you have a recurring bug problem for years, do you fight the symptoms, or do you fight the cause?They need an exterminatorWell, you know what they say - it's hard to pinpoint a bug, when you have a colony...
Benchmark Scores | Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :) |
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They were all sent by board partners.Out of curiosity, were the review cards store bought? Sent by AMD?
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
I was hoping I could rule out cherry-picking...They were all sent by board partners.
Well, if they would ACK that this is a hardware issue, guess what it would happen. Refunds of millions of dollars.
I tend to believe this is not a hardware bug, since the same cards are working fine on Linux and Mac OS, BUT those OSes are much more simple in terms of GPU usages so the scenario far less random to trigger the issues that people see.
How do you define "bad" wrt such a complex product? Is the driver part of the product?In any case, I think there should be a law which states that if more than 5-10% of the products are bad, then the manufacturer should be forbidden to sell it and get back to the drawing board.
System Name | Hotbox |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6), |
Motherboard | ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax |
Cooling | LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14 |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W |
Storage | 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro |
Display(s) | Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary |
Case | SSUPD Meshlicious |
Audio Device(s) | Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3 |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech G603 |
Keyboard | Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Wait, how can they be cherry-picking if they also can't identify the source of the issue nor reliably recreate it in their testing? That is quite clearly a case where one option logically precludes the other.I was hoping I could rule out cherry-picking...
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
That's how logical implication works: buy the cards yourself -> no cherry-picking. The reverse is not necessarily true.Wait, how can they be cherry-picking if they also can't identify the source of the issue nor reliably recreate it in their testing? That is quite clearly a case where one option logically precludes the other.
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
True , but remember ,the point Was that no chip is made and released without fault's.Really... what stands out to me in the above lists is a difference in documentation and administration more than anything.
Nvidia: bugs numbered and description is precise and narrowed down to specifics.
AMD: "bad stuff may happen while doing XYZ". And that includes standard activity like a simple alt tab (?!?!?!)...
System Name | Hotbox |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6), |
Motherboard | ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax |
Cooling | LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14 |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W |
Storage | 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro |
Display(s) | Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary |
Case | SSUPD Meshlicious |
Audio Device(s) | Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3 |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech G603 |
Keyboard | Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
And I would argue that the seeming inability to reliably replicate the errors in testing itself rules out cherry-picking - how do you cherry-pick something if you don't know which factors to select for?That's how logical implication works: buy the cards yourself -> no cherry-picking. The reverse is not necessarily true.
Frankly, I don't suspect cherry-picking, I was looking for some info that would allow me to rule it out.
System Name | Purple rain |
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Processor | 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v |
Motherboard | Zee 490 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Noctua D15S |
Memory | 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG |
Case | P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans |
Audio Device(s) | K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless |
Power Supply | Superflower Leadex Gold 850W |
Mouse | G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | A LOT |
stability in a standard testing suitehow do you cherry-pick something if you don't know which factors to select for?
System Name | Hotbox |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6), |
Motherboard | ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax |
Cooling | LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14 |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W |
Storage | 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro |
Display(s) | Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary |
Case | SSUPD Meshlicious |
Audio Device(s) | Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3 |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech G603 |
Keyboard | Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
...but isn't the entire issue here that a standard testing suite doesn't reproduce these issues? Cherry-picking samples from results in a testing suite that doesn't reproduce the issues in question is essentially the same as a random selection of samples, at least in terms of statistical probability of them then having the issues in question when put into the testers' systems. Your statement assumes a correlation between the general stability of a single GPU in standardized testing and the elusive black-screen issue, which nobody has so far been able to establish, including AMD's own testing labs.stability in a standard testing suite
System Name | Purple rain |
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Processor | 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v |
Motherboard | Zee 490 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Noctua D15S |
Memory | 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG |
Case | P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans |
Audio Device(s) | K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless |
Power Supply | Superflower Leadex Gold 850W |
Mouse | G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | A LOT |
if you know a given card works on a given driver with a given application then you could cherry pick if you wanted to....but isn't the entire issue here that a standard testing suite doesn't reproduce these issues? Cherry-picking samples from results in a testing suite that doesn't reproduce the issues in question is essentially the same as a random selection of samples, at least in terms of statistical probability of them then having the issues in question when put into the testers' systems.
Processor | Intel i5-12600k |
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Motherboard | Asus H670 TUF |
Cooling | Arctic Freezer 34 |
Memory | 2x16GB DDR4 3600 G.Skill Ripjaws V |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GTX 1060 SC |
Storage | 500GB Samsung 970 EVO, 500GB Samsung 850 EVO, 1TB Crucial MX300 and 2TB Crucial MX500 |
Display(s) | Dell U3219Q + HP ZR24w |
Case | Raijintek Thetis |
Audio Device(s) | Audioquest Dragonfly Red :D |
Power Supply | Seasonic 620W M12 |
Mouse | Logitech G502 Proteus Core |
Keyboard | G.Skill KM780R |
Software | Arch Linux + Win10 |
It's not that hard. Reviewers have their setups out in the open (both hardware and software), just make sure it works fine on a similar setup.And I would argue that the seeming inability to reliably replicate the errors in testing itself rules out cherry-picking - how do you cherry-pick something if you don't know which factors to select for?
You do realize talking about release problems almost a year after launch only paints you desperately grasping at straws, don't you?True , but remember ,the point Was that no chip is made and released without fault's.
It's not possible or done.
The new Navi and Ampere cards Will have issues.
System Name | Purple rain |
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Processor | 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v |
Motherboard | Zee 490 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Noctua D15S |
Memory | 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG |
Case | P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans |
Audio Device(s) | K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless |
Power Supply | Superflower Leadex Gold 850W |
Mouse | G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | A LOT |
no.You do realize talking about release problems almost a year after launch only paints you desperately grasping at straws, don't you?
System Name | Hotbox |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6), |
Motherboard | ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax |
Cooling | LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14 |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W |
Storage | 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro |
Display(s) | Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary |
Case | SSUPD Meshlicious |
Audio Device(s) | Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3 |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech G603 |
Keyboard | Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
Haven't there been reports of AMD struggling to reproduce this even in test systems configured identically to users experiencing the issue?It's not that hard. Reviewers have their setups out in the open (both hardware and software), just make sure it works fine on a similar setup.
Doesn't the wordingI mean, like posted above, if AMD knew this was a hardware thing and didn't want to deal with returns, they would intentionally leave this as not reproducible and try to shift attention to the drivers. Which would include cherry-picking of parts sent from review.
I don't think AMD does this (in general, I don't like it when people paint companies as evil, I don't want to do the same), but since AMD does not give us a root cause, we cannot rule this out entirely, no matter how improbable it is.
NB There are a million other possible causes for this, this one is just a sample of what my mind can come up with.
strongly imply that they have yet to positively identify the source of these black screens? Some seem to have been due to Enhanced Sync, as that is singled out as its own point, but this point clearly states that this is as of yet unknown and under investigation. I agree that this could theoretically be an attempt at hiding a known hardware bug, though that seems unlikely to me - a hardware bug typically means a hardware design bug and not hardware manufacturing, which should then be near universally reproducible even if it requires multiple other variables to be in place. It's still really bad that AMD hasn't fixed this yet; I'm just hoping they are pouring some of that currently abundant Ryzen money into RTG and go on a hiring spree for their driver development team.Some users may still experience black screen or system hang issues during extended periods of gameplay. AMD will continue to monitor and investigate reports of these issues closely.
Again: the seemingly random and difficult-to-reproduce nature of the black screen issue contradicts statements like that. If an issue isn't reproducible, that means precisely that you can't know if a given card that you have tested and found working in a given system with a given driver running a given application will perform the same in a different system with the same variables being controlled for. If that was the case, reproducing the issue would be as simple as assembling a system identical to the people experiencing the issue. That clearly isn't the case.if you know a given card works on a given driver with a given application then you could cherry pick if you wanted to.
we'll never know what is going on tho.
System Name | Purple rain |
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Processor | 10.5 thousand 4.2G 1.1v |
Motherboard | Zee 490 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Noctua D15S |
Memory | 16GB 4133 CL16-16-16-31 Viper Steel |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio |
Storage | SU900 128,8200Pro 1TB,850 Pro 512+256+256,860 Evo 500,XPG950 480, Skyhawk 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer XB241YU+Dell S2716DG |
Case | P600S Silent w. Alpenfohn wing boost 3 ARGBT+ fans |
Audio Device(s) | K612 Pro w. FiiO E10k DAC,W830BT wireless |
Power Supply | Superflower Leadex Gold 850W |
Mouse | G903 lightspeed+powerplay,G403 wireless + Steelseries DeX + Roccat rest |
Keyboard | HyperX Alloy SilverSpeed (w.HyperX wrist rest),Razer Deathstalker |
Software | Windows 10 |
Benchmark Scores | A LOT |
Yes but you arent interpreting "reproducing" correctly.Haven't there been reports of AMD struggling to reproduce this even in test systems configured identically to users experiencing the issue?
Doesn't the wording
strongly imply that they have yet to positively identify the source of these black screens? Some seem to have been due to Enhanced Sync, as that is singled out as its own point, but this point clearly states that this is as of yet unknown and under investigation. I agree that this could theoretically be an attempt at hiding a known hardware bug, though that seems unlikely to me - a hardware bug typically means a hardware design bug and not hardware manufacturing, which should then be near universally reproducible even if it requires multiple other variables to be in place. It's still really bad that AMD hasn't fixed this yet; I'm just hoping they are pouring some of that currently abundant Ryzen money into RTG and go on a hiring spree for their driver development team.
Again: the seemingly random and difficult-to-reproduce nature of the black screen issue contradicts statements like that. If an issue isn't reproducible, that means precisely that you can't know if a given card that you have tested and found working in a given system with a given driver running a given application will perform the same in a different system with the same variables being controlled for. If that was the case, reproducing the issue would be as simple as assembling a system identical to the people experiencing the issue. That clearly isn't the case.
Processor | i7 8700k 4.6Ghz @ 1.24V |
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Motherboard | AsRock Fatal1ty K6 Z370 |
Cooling | beQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 3 |
Memory | 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200/C16 |
Video Card(s) | ASRock RX7900XT Phantom Gaming |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 1TB + Samsung 830 256GB + Crucial BX100 250GB + Toshiba 1TB HDD |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G34QWC (3440x1440) |
Case | Fractal Design Define R5 |
Audio Device(s) | Harman Kardon AVR137 + 2.1 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova G2 750W |
Mouse | XTRFY M42 |
Keyboard | Lenovo Thinkpad Trackpoint II |
Software | W10 x64 |
System Name | Hotbox |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X, 110/95/110, PBO +150Mhz, CO -7,-7,-20(x6), |
Motherboard | ASRock Phantom Gaming B550 ITX/ax |
Cooling | LOBO + Laing DDC 1T Plus PWM + Corsair XR5 280mm + 2x Arctic P14 |
Memory | 32GB G.Skill FlareX 3200c14 @3800c15 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Radeon 6900XT Liquid Devil Ultimate, UC@2250MHz max @~200W |
Storage | 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro |
Display(s) | Dell U2711 main, AOC 24P2C secondary |
Case | SSUPD Meshlicious |
Audio Device(s) | Optoma Nuforce μDAC 3 |
Power Supply | Corsair SF750 Platinum |
Mouse | Logitech G603 |
Keyboard | Keychron K3/Cooler Master MasterKeys Pro M w/DSA profile caps |
Software | Windows 10 Pro |
I never said they could or couldn't reproduce it on users' cards, though availability of cards that have had issues for testing is of course a tricky proposition. Nonetheless, in the year these cards have been on the market it really shouldn't be difficult for AMD to get their hands on a decent selection of these - some of them are bound to have been RMA'ed, and for others it shouldn't be more difficult than to track down users with severe issues and ask if they would send in their cards for testing if they were first provided with a replacement. Even barring this, AMD should really have access to sufficient numbers of cards for testing that some with issues would show up even in an entirely random selection of testing cards off production lines. Of course, if the errors require (for example) both specific silicon characteristics AND a highly specific system setup, that would be near impossible to reproduce.Yes but you arent interpreting "reproducing" correctly.
AMD cant reproduce them on their own samples not your sample.
System Name | Alienation from family |
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Processor | i7 7700k |
Motherboard | Hero VIII |
Cooling | Macho revB |
Memory | 16gb Hyperx |
Video Card(s) | Asus 1080ti Strix OC |
Storage | 960evo 500gb |
Display(s) | AOC 4k |
Case | Define R2 XL |
Power Supply | Be f*ing Quiet 600W M Gold |
Mouse | NoName |
Keyboard | NoNameless HP |
Software | You have nothing on me |
Benchmark Scores | Personal record 100m sprint: 60m |
System Name | Home |
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Processor | Ryzen 3600X |
Motherboard | MSI Tomahawk 450 MAX |
Cooling | Noctua NH-U14S |
Memory | 16GB Crucial Ballistix 3600 MHz DDR4 CAS 16 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RX 5700XT EVOKE OC |
Storage | Samsung 970 PRO 512 GB |
Display(s) | ASUS VA326HR + MSI Optix G24C4 |
Case | MSI - MAG Forge 100M |
Power Supply | Aerocool Lux RGB M 650W |
System Name | RyzenGtEvo/ Asus strix scar II |
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Processor | Amd R5 5900X/ Intel 8750H |
Motherboard | Crosshair hero8 impact/Asus |
Cooling | 360EK extreme rad+ 360$EK slim all push, cpu ek suprim Gpu full cover all EK |
Memory | Corsair Vengeance Rgb pro 3600cas14 16Gb in four sticks./16Gb/16GB |
Video Card(s) | Powercolour RX7900XT Reference/Rtx 2060 |
Storage | Silicon power 2TB nvme/8Tb external/1Tb samsung Evo nvme 2Tb sata ssd/1Tb nvme |
Display(s) | Samsung UAE28"850R 4k freesync.dell shiter |
Case | Lianli 011 dynamic/strix scar2 |
Audio Device(s) | Xfi creative 7.1 on board ,Yamaha dts av setup, corsair void pro headset |
Power Supply | corsair 1200Hxi/Asus stock |
Mouse | Roccat Kova/ Logitech G wireless |
Keyboard | Roccat Aimo 120 |
VR HMD | Oculus rift |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 8726 vega 3dmark timespy/ laptop Timespy 6506 |
Your reading comprehension skills are grasping at straws pal.It's not that hard. Reviewers have their setups out in the open (both hardware and software), just make sure it works fine on a similar setup.
I mean, like posted above, if AMD knew this was a hardware thing and didn't want to deal with returns, they would intentionally leave this as not reproducible and try to shift attention to the drivers. Which would include cherry-picking of parts sent from review.
I don't think AMD does this (in general, I don't like it when people paint companies as evil, I don't want to do the same), but since AMD does not give us a root cause, we cannot rule this out entirely, no matter how improbable it is.
NB There are a million other possible causes for this, this one is just a sample of what my mind can come up with.
You do realize talking about release problems almost a year after launch only paints you desperately grasping at straws, don't you?