GTX 1080Ti Power management Modes are stupid and broken

[Deleted member 178884]

1) What 1080 ti do you have?
2) Aggressive fan profile?
3) Thermal throttling?
4) You clearly know nothing about gpus, The problem isn't nvidia but your own stupidity. My 1080 ti ftw3 runs 4k well and doesn't have an issues. Try google?
Your the 0.1% of users that don't care about efficiency, why should it run at it's max clock speed when not being utilised? It will not increase the frame rate but it will increase power consumption, heat and if your an amd fanboy just buy a vega and have crappy efficiency and performance.
5) How about try everything posted? It's a forum for user input and assistance, gtfo if you don't like help - why bother asking?

 

[basco]

i love this thread and i mean it positiv to ya rejzor

 

[DRDNA]

Use Afterburner , press L while the last point in the frequency/voltage curve is selected and then hit apply. It will make the card stay at it's highest possible clocks no matter what (until it will hit a perfcap of course). No BIOS flashing :...) , no driver settings or anything of the sort needed

Three entire pages of comments, irrelevant information and insults could have been avoided.

Finally some one said it...lol

 

[Vayra86]

Finally some one said it...lol

Still going to drop bins that way or get yourself lots of TDRs because the Pascal bios forces it down at every 5C temp increase. Up to the point of dropping clocks hard because you cross the 85 C barrier; it will radically drop voltage no matter what. On any air cooled solution this is what you will be looking at.

Been there done that...

 

[DRDNA]

Still going to drop bins that way or get yourself lots of TDRs because the Pascal bios forces it down at every 5C temp increase. Up to the point of dropping clocks hard because you cross the 85 C barrier; it will radically drop voltage no matter what. On any air cooled solution this is what you will be looking at.

Been there done that...

at what temperatures does it start dropping the clocks at? My laptops GTX 1070 has not ever even hit 80cels not a once ever..........i use sometimes for hours and see whats up with MSI overlay....

 

[Vayra86]

at what temperatures does it start dropping the clocks at?

60C and up I believe. Might be 65

But above 80 it also drops voltages to maintain temp and that is when things like KBoost and forced clocks create issues

 

[DRDNA]

60C and up I believe. Might be 65

But above 80 it also drops voltages to maintain temp and that is when things like KBoost and forced clocks create issues

you are saying you see your clocks drop once at 60 cels? because i do not see that on my rig.....

 

[the54thvoid]

Sounds like apple to me, when they slow down older phones to get you to buy new ones. Ugh nvidia is getting shadier by the day.

It's not that at all. It's a specific issue on one game that one guy is having because of a heavily debated 'misunderstanding' of the power states and efficiency of Pascal. I've had none of these issues with my card, except where temps or power limit will downclock the card. Then again, my OC reaches past 2Ghz, under water. The 1080ti does as it should, rare exceptions excluded. I'll be keeping mine for a while.

 

[qubit]

Well,you've learnt your lesson with nvidia. Should be flying off to grab a Vega, they're available in good supply now so there should be no problem.

There's no "lesson to learn with NVIDIA". That's misinformation. It was all rejzor's misunderstanding of how the card works with framerate limiting. I'd bet you a Vega would be pretty similar (while delivering much less performance, of course). That 1080 Ti is just fine.

 

[Vayra86]

you are saying you see your clocks drop once at 60 cels? because i do not see that on my rig.....

Yep with normal settings you will lose 13 mhz (a boost bin) at each temp interval.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/15

 

[cucker tarlson]

There's no "lesson to learn with NVIDIA". That's misinformation. It was all rejzor's misunderstanding of how the card works with framerate limiting. I'd bet you a Vega would be pretty similar (while delivering much less performance, of course). That 1080 Ti is just fine.

Sorry. I was just a bit concerned when he said that 140 fps on his card feels like 40 fps. I mean the guy paid 900 euros for this thing, come on.... Still,if the problem persists he's going to get more than enough for his 1080Ti Aorus to buy a Vega 64.

 

[DRDNA]

Yep with normal settings you will lose 13 mhz (a boost bin) at each temp interval.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-and-1070-founders-edition-review/15

great info thank you......

 

[bug]

No, it's still NVIDIA's stupidity for most part. If I set it to Max performance it should run at full clock no matter what. Instead it insisted on some stupid low clock. If I want 1950MHz at 144fps I should be allowed to do so.

And if I buy you a Ferrari, tie your hands behind your back and then you can't go 200mph+ it's Ferrari's fault for building a stupid car.
Because that how you "set it to Max performance", too.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Guy probably doesn't realize how CPU bottlenecked he is with a 1080Ti @1080p on 4.5GHz Haswell + 2666 DDR4 when most games still prefer a fast single core. As far as single core performance, this is slower than the 4790K at 4600MHz with 2400 CL10 ram that I used to have, which already bottlenecked my gtx 1080 at 1080p cause I was seeing nowehere near +90% GPU usage. If his GPU usage is lousy then no wonder the card is downclocking, dropping visual settings down will make it harder for the cpu to keep up.

Listening to grown ups ranting about their 900 euro toys like children throwing a fit when their toy breaks is just pathetic.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Waiting for someone to point out that 6 core is horse dump above 60fps, you'll want at least a 7700k to drive 144fps

His single core is most likely slow than my 6600k at 4.5, that's appalling. The 5820k was a waste of money tbh, I've got a x5650 at 4.4ghz all 6 cores that comes right close to ryzen (r5 1600) - that's excluding the fact I'm not running triple channel and 1333mhz ram. My xeon on x58 rocks around 1030cb at the moment, ram is about to be overclocked since because of bclk it runs at 1200mhz, ram timings can also be pushed down easily.

 

[Caring1]

And if I buy you a Ferrari, tie your hands behind your back and then you can't go 200mph+ it's Ferrari's fault for building a stupid car.

Unless you are on a salt pan and only need to accelerate and you aren't worried about crashing.
The car analogies used aren't working because people are confusing Revs with speed, you can use a Rev limiter yet still attain near top speed, you can fit a speed limiter yet still rev the crap out of it. Limit both and money spent is wasted.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Waiting for someone to point out that 6 core is horse dump above 60fps, you'll want at least a 7700k to drive 144fps

His single core is most likely slow than my 6600k at 4.5, that's appalling. The 5820k was a waste of money tbh, I've got a x5650 at 4.4ghz all 6 cores that comes right close to ryzen (r5 1600) - that's excluding the fact I'm not running triple channel and 1333mhz ram. My xeon on x58 rocks around 1030cb at the moment, ram is about to be overclocked since because of bclk it runs at 1200mhz, ram timings can also be pushed down easily.

6 cores do get very good utilization in games, but there's no equavalency between single core performance and the number of threads. If your 6 core is haswell at 4.5GHz with basic,slow ram, it's still going to bottleneck. If your six core CPU is coffee lake with fast +3200 ram, it's going to be significantly faster than 5820K and you'll see those fast GPUs being really well utilized in 1080p 144hz gaming.
I've never been fond of using hedt for gaming, especially for high refresh rate with low resolution it makes no sense. It's better to change your mainstream platfrom every two years than spend ridiculous premiums on hedt and sit on it for four. Mainstream i7s are more than decent for professional use too, and if you want it for purely worksation reasons then go with an 8/10 core. 5820K was a middle of the road solution,which was neither great for gaming nor that much better in professional stuff than higher clocking, new arch skylake, it didn't have the full 16x-16x support and still cost a hefty premium considering the mobo.

 

[qubit]

Guy probably doesn't realize how CPU bottlenecked he is with a 1080Ti @1080p on 4.5GHz Haswell + 2666 DDR4 when most games still prefer a fast single core. As far as single core performance, this is slower than the 4790K at 4600MHz with 2400 CL10 ram that I used to have, which already bottlenecked my gtx 1080 at 1080p cause I was seeing nowehere near +90% GPU usage. If his GPU usage is lousy then no wonder the card is downclocking, dropping visual settings down will make it harder for the cpu to keep up.

Listening to grown ups ranting about their 900 euro toys like children throwing a fit when their toy breaks is just pathetic.

I dunno what it is with comprehension sometimes, ct.

It's obvious that if the framerate is limited, then the card won't run flat out. How could he not understand this? Let the card freewheel as fast as it wants to go with that max performance setting properly set (I don't think he ever did set it per game like I advised) and then you'll see the clock speed increase and maximum power used. Great way to kill that card quickly though.

I've seen my cards go as high as 2000fps vsync off (yes, seriously) on some old OpenGL benchmark that put very little load on it and the power coils were screaming - that equals really high stress on the whole card. This is on cards with normally very low coil whine, too. I didn't keep it like that for more than 30 seconds or so to avoid accumulated damage.

To keep the car analogy going, it's like keeping a 4 litre v8 muscle car foot to the floor the whole time driving down an infinitely long straight road with no obstacles (and no police!) and infinite fuel at 250mph. It's gonna die pretty quickly.

 

[RejZoR]

Now everyone's an expert on this matter... Dudes, GTX 980, just ONE series back didn't behave this way and I'm somehow just suppose to just know it. I bet 99% of people here didn't even know there is a power control for it but sure enough everyone's an expert right now. As usual...

 

[cucker tarlson]

I really wanna see his afterburner log with gpu usage when he drops IQ down on 1080Ti at 1080p in a a game like quake live.

Now everyone's an expert on this matter... Dudes, GTX 980, just ONE series back didn't behave this way and I'm somehow just suppose to just know it. I bet 99% of people here didn't even know there is a power control for it but sure enough everyone's an expert right now. As usual...

It didn't behave that way in what scenario ? Cause you're talking about a GPU that's literally less than 40% of what performance 1080Ti delivers. 1080Ti performance at 4K is close to 980 at 1080p.


Your GPU-CPU-resolution/refresh rate is so oddly mateched that no wonder you're seeing stuff like this happen.

 

[Aquinus]

Ok, to recap this, the reason was framerate limiter. I never thought of it because other games don't even have it in such way. And I didn't quite expect it to affect the clocks in such way either.

After uncapping the framerate, the clocks ramped up to 1950MHz and while it's a lot hotter and louder now, the gameplay is buttery smooth as well. Capped at 144fps it felt horrible despite being 144fps at all times. Go figure.

You know, if the app's vsync was disabled but, fast sync was on with the frame cap, I wouldn't be surprised if it was actually rendering all those frames but fast vsync was dropping a lot of them because of when the frame got rendered. The point of fast vsync is to basically keep pumping out as many frames as possible but, only synchronizing to the latest frame rendered versus regular vsync which would wait until the frame has been pushed to the display. Worst case situation would mean that half of your frames could be getting dropped because of timing whereas uncapping it puts frame productions higher than the rate that the frames are consumed (consider that frame caps usually produce just under the rate you specify depending on the application and hardware.)

Simply put, you probably should just pick one either fast vsync or a frame cap. Fast vsync is going to be smoother but, it's going to hit your hardware full tilt. A frame cap will still leave you with typical non-vsync stutter but, you're actively limiting performance.

If I had a nVidia card and I had this problem, I would probably stick with fast vsync and adjust power limits to keep temps and sound acceptable. Frame caps are done at the software level and it makes more sense to let the driver adjust to load as opposed to having the software artificially limit it. Just my 2 cents.

Also @RejZoR, you need to stop getting so angry. I've practically come to expect an angry rant when I see a thread started by you. I can't imagine that's good for the community or for your health.

 

[RejZoR]

"Oddly matched" You mean, sensibly matched to achieve framerate required to actually utilize 144Hz screen? There is nothing "odd" about it. The monitor, GPU and resolution combo is literally in place to ensure high framerate you need for such monitor.

EDIT:
And I've also expected bunch of dull responses as it's an usual standard on TPU in recent months... I often wonder why I even ask people because all I get is bunch of salty smartass responses and in the end it's up to me to figure out whatever problem it is anyway.

 

[Aquinus]

The amount you spent on that cpu alone is stupid, you want single core performance. The only 6 core that delivers 144fps is the 8700k, it's not your gpu that's the problem it's that cpu, run a cinebench r15 single thread for us please and post the result here.

8000-series CPUs weren't out when he got his Haswell-E CPU, buddy.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

"Oddly matched" You mean, sensibly matched to achieve framerate required to actually utilize 144Hz screen? There is nothing "odd" about it. The monitor, GPU and resolution combo is literally in place to ensure high framerate you need for such monitor.

Your a troll, this community is no joke. A 5820k for 144fps? It's a 6 core with single performance that's absolutely rubbish against a 7700k.

8000-series CPUs weren't out when he got his Haswell-E CPU buddy.

I'm aware, It's a bad choice regardless. You want single core performance for 144fps, that wasn't the best available at the time either.

 

[Aquinus]

Your a troll, this community is no joke. A 5820k for 144fps? It's a 6 core with single performance that's absolutely rubbish against a 7700k.


I'm aware, It's a bad choice regardless. You want single core performance for 144fps, that wasn't the best available at the time either.

7000-series CPUs weren't out either when he got his Haswell-E chip IIRC...

Tell me, who's the troll is again?